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Pab Sungenis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 06:02 PM
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I don't believe it! They're drinking the Kool Aid!
I just had a customer talk with me about the disaster in New Orleans. After bitching about conditions down there, and how screwed up the relief efforts have been, she actually said this:

"You can't blame Bush. It's too much for one man."

Then a few seconds later:

"Clinton really screwed things up down there."

WTF?!? Looks like they ARE drinking the Kool-Aid, folks. We have to work even harder to get our message out: CLINTON WAS WORKING ON THE PROBLEM, BUT BUSH WANTED THE MONEY ELSEWHERE!
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XanaDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 06:03 PM
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1. What did you say in reply?
nt.
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Pab Sungenis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 06:06 PM
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4. Sadly, nothing.
I prefer not to go into politics while I'm dealing with customers. Red money's as good as blue money to me.
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tuvor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 06:19 PM
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13. It wasn't the time nor the place.
You wouldn't have changed minds like those, anyway.
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XanaDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 06:20 PM
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16. I understand.
I have been in that position quite a few times myself.

Once, when I had already given notice on a job, I did let myself loose and it was great!
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 06:04 PM
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2. People are better at imitating than reasoning
Read that in a Yahoo News article recently. It's proven to be true over and over again.

You must be in the bible belt.
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Pab Sungenis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 06:07 PM
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5. No, believe it or not.....
I'm the deepest of deep Blue states: New Jersey.

This is a bad sign.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 06:07 PM
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6. Exactly, that's why everyone says the same thing about anything.
Edited on Sat Sep-03-05 06:09 PM by patrice
Even if they had a thought of their own, they usually don't use them.

BTW, Welcom to DU Valerief!
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 06:22 PM
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17. Thanks.
I'm grateful to be able to vent my anger here. I'm appalled at the lack of anger in the people around me.

Cuba looks really, really good nowadays.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 06:55 PM
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24. I try not to romanticize about Cuba, especially since I know so little
about it. It does seem attractive though.

I've heard that they do a pretty good job of educating their children too, even in Science.
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 07:04 PM
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27. I probably know less than you about Cuba
I do know now that they have a first-rate hurricane disaster preparatory and response process in place. And if it's some place mainstream US denegrates, it couldn't be all bad.
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Garbo 2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 06:06 PM
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3. With a stroke of a pen that man could send troops to Iraq or relief to
Americans caught in a natural disaster. He marshalled resources for the former and only hesitated on the latter.
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nonconformist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 06:08 PM
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7. aww, poor Bush. It's hard work. nt
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 06:09 PM
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8. Believe it
If George W. Bush stripped an 8 year old girl naked, slit her throat, then began fucking her live on television, 33% of this nation would claim he's showing his love for children.
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wellstone_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 06:20 PM
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15. they sure would in my neighborhood
We *just* got a flyer on our door of a special service at the nearest Baptist church tonight to pray for Bush*----not the survivors, but for him "in his hour of need and to make the Lord stop the unfair criticism."

this is one of those 1000s of people mega churches so lots will be praying tonight for him, the *real* victim of the hurricane I guess.

My husband is working himself up into a stroke over this one!
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Ladyhawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 07:28 PM
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31. Please say you're kidding.
:wow:
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Dem2theMax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 07:47 PM
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34. I'd sure LOVE to have the name/location of that 'church.'
I have the urge to send them an email. If you don't want to put the info on the board, PM away! :)
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Strelnikov_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 08:38 PM
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37. Any Way You Could Scan It In And Post It
We need to get this out.
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SeveneightyWhoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 08:45 PM
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39. YES!!
This HAS to be seen.
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U4ikLefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 11:13 PM
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44. still wating for this flyer
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brazil Donating Member (80 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 09:26 PM
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40. You have a very sick view of the world...
...if you really think that one-third of the population would really stand for such an appalling act. I think the true number is closer to 20%.

And even if he was caught on videotape doing such a thing, they'd be saying that this was a classic case of video editing. Even if it was live television.

These people cannot put two and two together and see that the answer is four, but they'll do all kinds of mental gymnastics to convince themselves that 2+2=5 because that's what the Party wants them to believe.
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Cats Against Frist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 12:06 AM
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48. LOL! n/t
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 06:12 PM
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9. Did you tell her that?
Not that it would have made a difference to a bush zombie. :banghead:
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Pab Sungenis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 06:17 PM
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11. No, now I'm starting to think I should have.
But I guess I let all my vitriol out in my blog this morning: http://www.livejournal.com/users/pabsungenis/52629.html
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MellowOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 06:17 PM
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10. The moment everything looks good again
The Bush is a great pres again. He came in with guns blazing and rescued the people, didn't you see it on TV? (sarcasim)
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 06:18 PM
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12. You're customer only listens to right wing radio, this is their latest
desparate attempt to divert blame from their inept leader. It will fail as quickly as the other attempts have.
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Pab Sungenis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 06:19 PM
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14. I don't know...
Their previous efforts seem to have worked pretty well.
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NeoConsSuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 06:30 PM
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20. Agree.
They haven't started spinning this yet at top speed.

By the time they're done, the following will need to accept full blame:

1) The mayor of New Orleans (foul mouthed and uppity to our prez)

2) Environmentalists for blocking the creation of new refineries (already started this one).

3) Most of the Louisiana politicans were Democrats, they need to take the blame. (already started)

4) The city of New Orleans for ever building on below sea level land. (already started).

So you see, none of this has anything to do with the prez. Give it a few weeks, the sheeple will once again gulp down the 32oz Kool Aid.


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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 11:06 PM
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41. Once again, THE BUCK STOPS EVERYWHERE ELSE! (nt)
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Oldtimeralso Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 11:17 PM
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45. New Oval Office saying
THE BUCK IS COLLECTED HERE
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 06:33 PM
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22. Nope, they have the Governor is at fault till the documents proved
she did what was needed and it was Washington that failed, then they tried to put it on the NO Police and that has failed, they tried to blame the people of NO themselves and now this latest, lamest attempt. There are documents showing it was bush that cut the funding to the Army of Engineers and to the Plan to strengthen the levees. They will continue to fail on this one too.
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Lone_Wolf_Moderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 06:22 PM
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18. Huh? How is this Clinton's fault?
Look, Bush didn't cause the tragedy (although he has to surely take a lot of the heat for the shitty response), but how is this the fault of Bill Clinton? What did he do, create the hurricane with the Cobra-brand Weather Dominator? Give me a break.
They really are drinking the Kool-Aid.
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growlypants Donating Member (846 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 06:31 PM
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21. Clinton caused the levee to break with his penis. DUUH
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yankeedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 06:36 PM
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23. Now THAT was funny
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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Lone_Wolf_Moderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 07:00 PM
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26. Oh, of course! Silly me.
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Penndems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 07:24 PM
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29. Wow, that's SOME penis if it can break down a man-made easement
that weighs several tons, holding back water in the Mississippi flood plane.

He'll never need Viagra, that's for sure. ;)

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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 06:27 PM
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19. Yes They Are
It's the Mayor and Governor's fault, it's the looters fault, all Presidents knew about it, bla bla bla. I've seen their spin on several message boards. Bush will be praised by this time next week, mark my words.
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Pab Sungenis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 06:56 PM
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25. It makes you want to vomit.
:puke:

Only he could be seen as a decisive leader for sitting at his ranch for five days.
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Penndems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 07:05 PM
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28. It's only "too much for a man" when that one man has no leadership
skills, no real discernible intelligence, no common sense, no sincerity, no genuine empathy, non-existent oratory skills, no motivation, is indecisive and delusionary, too lazy to accept responsibility for anything, has a lack of maturity, and no vision.

Yeah, I guess it is "too much" for this "man", and his frighteningly tenuous grip on reality.

Abraham Lincoln led this country through a Civil War. Woodrow Wilson led us through World War I. FDR led us through a Great Depresssion and World War II. Harry Truman led us through the Korean War. Dwight Eisenhower sent federal troops to Little Rock during school desegregation in that city. JFK led through the Cuban Missile Crisis. These men were LEADERS. The American people looked to them in trying times.

Now, we have a blithering idiot at the helm whose only skills are passing the buck, deflecting blame, and injecting tragedy and misery into everything he's put his incompetent hand to. Most importantly, he can't LEAD. He wants the perks that come with the job, with none of the inherent headaches. Why is he THERE?

You might want to let your customer know that Bill Clinton hasn't been President since January 20, 2001. When Junior took the helm at noon on that particular day, he also took responsibility for whatever crises, successes and screw-ups occur here from that day on. It's all about ACCOUNTABILITY. If he doesn't want to lead this country and accept that accountability, it's time to put somebody else in who DOES want it, and has all of the above-stated qualities the current occupant sorely lacks.

To paraphrase an old saying my grandparents used, these people have more excuses for that "moran" than Carter has liver pills.

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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 07:27 PM
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30. But don't you see? We can't place blame now, because the GOP
will say we're playing politics! We have to just sit on our asses and wait for them to finish pushing their propaganda first!

Ugh.
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Penndems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 07:35 PM
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32. It's too late for that excuse
Every bit of incompetence, ineptitude and stupidity that resulted in this horrific tragedy has been preserved on videotape, microfiche and hard drives by every single media outlet domestically and internationally for posterity and endless replay/reprint.

The damage has literally been done.

(Welcome to DU, BTW. :) )



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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 07:38 PM
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33. Nope, we are the troops that can stand up and fight the right wing
groups like the freepers with something that totally explodes their heads, facts.
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libhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 08:25 PM
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35. Oh pulease -
I'm so tired of these clueless jack asses blaming every thing Clinton. People like that need to get a life, or shut the fuck up.
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 08:29 PM
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36. How I deal w/ Clinton bashers
This doesn't apply to your situation b/c you weren't arguing. But when I'm arguing with someone and they even mention him I declare that the argument is over and I have won it. Then I walk away.
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lectrobyte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 11:18 PM
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46. That's pretty good. I usually ignore whatever Clinton-bashing or
whatever, or say something like I'm talking about Bush, who's been president now for five years.
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 08:41 PM
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38. Geeeez! I got a more predictable one this morning.
"People are blaming the federal government, but I think it was the local government, they have a lot of problems."

"Word" travels fast, huh?
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 11:08 PM
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42. Some are.. but not all. not all.

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Would Jesus love a liberal? You bet!
http://timeforachange.bluelemur.com/liberalchristians.htm
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Murdock Donating Member (315 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 11:11 PM
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43. I've said repeatedly....
That Bush is absolutely untouchable.. That the Mainstream media, the accoplice Democrats and Karl Rove are absolutely too much to overcome..

Listen, Bush could sodimize a goat on live tv and the brainwashed masses would blame Clinton..

Give up hoping that there's hope, because there isn't any..
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I_Make_Mistakes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 11:41 PM
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47. Don't despair pabsungenis 45 mins N. of you & they are NOT
buying it here. It starts in a low conversation, and as the fuel gets added to the fire, louder and louder, and more and more people are joining the conversation. We are politely quiet about politics around here, but nothing can contain the outrage people are feeling.

I think, you just found one of the 20-33% we have 'em here too!
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