CBS News: Hurricane strength "Only 1 MPH is due to Global Warming"

[omega minimo]

This is how it's done folks. Little choppy soundbites, throw in some movin' pitchers, an expert or two and a newsbot to deliver the punchline.

:wtf:

The Expert Weather Wonk said-- like he was assessing the quality of ballpark hot dogs-- "147 miles per hour winds. ONLYONEMILEPERHOURISCAUSEDBYGLOBALWARMING. If it could be measured, it would be TOO LITTLE TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE."

Cut to this and then that and back again and meanwhile WE the gullible public are not supposed to wonder:

HOW THE HELL DOES HE KNOW THAT "ONLYONEMILEPERHOURISCAUSEDBYGLOBALWARMING"?

And the punchline from the plastic newsdroid?

"So the answer to the question: Is This Global Warming Is... Not Really."

:smoke:

on edit:
I'm sorry-- it WAS CBS

[xray s]

1. Disney has to convince people there is no problem

After all, the have made quite an investment in real estate in the heart of hurricane country.

[omega minimo]

5. The World of Tomorrow?

[ixion]

2. yes, and I'm sure that when the seas rise, and Nebraska has a coast

they'll claim all is well and good in 'Murika. :eyes:

[omega minimo]

3. As long as Reality is what the Tee Vee tells us it is

:evilfrown:

[karlrschneider]

4. I saw that at 6 pm CDT & ruined another keyboard.

bastards.

[omega minimo]

8. Don't ya love the quick cut technique

for catapulting the propaganda directly into the bloodstream?

[Lorien]

6. Where'd he find that statistic-a Cracker Jack box?

I know scientists studying climate change in Antarctica who would have a thing or two to say about that. Hell, our weather forecasters here in Central Florida admit frequently that unusually high sea temps turn tropical depressions into deadly hurricanes.

[omega minimo]

12. The Bureau of Bogusness

The piece was about the 35-40 year "hurricane cycle"as if this is "normal"--

[Ladyhawk]

37. Interesting. This is the talking point my mother brought up.

Is there a "hurricane cycle"? Apparently there were some hellacious hurricanes in the past, too.

[omega minimo]

41. The pretense that natural cycles cancel out additional influences is bogus

Bogus statistics groom greater gullibility in the public.

AND THE PROVIDE-- oops, sorry-- and they provide "Talking Points" for bonehead dittohead TVheads.

God/dess help the DUer who has a conversation with someone who regurgitates "Only 1 mileperhour is caused by global warming."

:grrrrrrrrr:

[tuvor]

7. Therefore, keep burning fuel like crazy, everyone.

Yeah. Sure.

[cally]

9. NBC said the same thing tonight

It was a man from the National Hurricane Center. They must have way better models than anyone else in the world to make such a precise estimate of the effect. :eyes:

[Shine]

10. WTF?!! This makes no sense whatsoever...

How can they possibly specify that it's only 1 mph?

I think it's at least 2 mph. :eyes:

[Systematic Chaos]

13. Actually, it's 1.9328748...

...32424985764231986129364123409236812370213408234701234012378123441231032403241014321234907143258901234512349123490914023901505142378909014235014236712346213478243109821370124350213409672130947812930759014237590324601237409172850634059761234097502345091239012643065430609160912312364506324051320409123590613241209476290134501432501240712346120340213465021783409812734 and a half, but who's counting? :sarcasm:

[omega minimo]

15. Pie!

:bounce:

[Shine]

21. Apple? Peach? Cherry? Hey, I think those guys should eat

CROW PIE!

haha.

~Shine

[FM Arouet666]

11. Can't be something which will hurt industry

I saw some Cato institute stooge make the same assessment. Chimpy accepted less information as a pretext to taking this country to war than exists to support global warming. But then again, his priorities are directed toward keeping "Americans safe from terrorism." Add silly texan accent to the quotes for the full impact.

With the GOP in charge, we will all be living in a polluted green house, but how could anyone have anticipated such a global disaster?

[omega minimo]

14. No one but the science fiction writers/filmmakers of the 1970's

:scared:

[Junkdrawer]

16. Why, it's almost like the Oil Companies control our government and media..

Oh wait, they do.

[omega minimo]

19. Is it worth noting how they catapult the propaganda?

The rapid fire BS seeps in and do folks stop to think.....

oh, never mind :crazy:

[Junkdrawer]

23. I'm sure many around the world wonder how we can be hit....

with monstrous hurricanes year after year and yet deny the existence of global warming.

[back2basics909]

17. We really need to make a list of these people..

.. because now they are showing themselves.

[Quixote1818]

18. What??? Water temps in the Gulf are almost 10 degrees above normal

Look what happens when water temps in the Pacific are only 3 to 5 degrees above normal. You get El Nino and one hell of a lot more energy and rainfall in the Western United States. It's not the air temperatures, it's the water temperatures that are fueling these storms.

Water temps in the Gulf of Mexico in the lower 80's would be hard pressed to churn up a cat 3 storm much less a cat 5 storm. We are seeing Cat 5's because water temps are WAY above normal. Even if global warming has only increased water temps a few degrees I can't believe that wouldn't be enough to increase the destructive power of a storm many times.

I would like to know where they are getting this info and what it's based on?

[omega minimo]

24. Enter Cognitive Dissonance

You are making so much SENSE (you too Gloria :hi: )

SO-- part of the game here, the bit that got my attention is:

The Company puts some goon on the tube to say:

"Onlyonemileperhouriscausedbyglobalwarming"

AS IF that means something-- AS IF he's an Expert

AS IF it is scientifically plausible to make an assessment like that or a statement like that

AND IF the lowly public doesn't unnerstan we mus be dum or sumthin, right?

AND IF the cowed public soaks this mindwarping in and REPEATS IT--

Much easier to say: "Onlyonemileperhouriscausedbyglobalwarming" than to actually be INFORMED or like, you know, THINK.

[Gloria]

20. But, the point is, that global warming is causing more storms,

not about the wind speed!! Right??

And, wind speed isn't the big thing, it is the storm surge that is critical, according to what I'm reading from the weather guys.....

[ewagner]

22. The Meteorology types I know

aren't ready to concede that there are either more or more powerful hurricances due to global warming. They aren't denying it, they just can't prove it and there certainly hasn't been in depth research into that particular effect.

The really, really good meteorologists are scientists and test everything according to scientific and rigid standards.

Truth?

They really don't know yet.

on edit...a very good reasonable discussion here:

http://flhurricane.com/cyclone/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=weatherqa&Number=56215&Searchpage=1&Main=55958&Words=+Clark&topic=&Search=true#Post56215

[omega minimo]

26. Respected

and maybe they laugh or cry or vomit when a soundbite like that shoots out of the Tee Vee.

Some of the weather dudes we're seeing on the tube live in the cubicle, viewing reality through the compooter, sitting on their sliderules-- maybe some are SO into their statistical ANALisis that they would defend the "onemph" slogan.....

The bit on ABC tonight underlines the manufactured nature of reality via the TV-- courtesy of the companies that have vested interests as noted above......

A gut level human response would tell that warm water feeds hurricanes.

Global Warming feeds warm water.

Scientists study data.

Tee Vee hurls propaganda.

Science was not born to EXPLAIN THINGS AWAY.

Perhaps Reality cannot be sliced and diced so neatly, after all.

Public believes Tee Vee more than gut, respects real science enough to be open-minded, accepts junk science enough to not care.

[Rex]

25. If the corpbots admit to it being caused by global warming

then the terrorists win. :puke:

[rbajai]

27. WEIRD!! CBS News said the same thing tonight!

Why the sudden outright denial of global warming by the major networks? They all but denied ANY role of global warming on CBS News tonight. These networks were previously citing global warming as a HUGE PROBLEM...what is going on?

Why the 180??

[dweller]

28. and the other 146mph caused by the giant sucking of the vacumn behind the

eyes of the *moron's diehard supporters.

dp

[Skip Intro]

29. This is the dawning of the Age of....Political Weather. Some scary line

has been crossed.

[Lisa]

30. and I suppose he also feels that that the increase in sea level ...

... makes "no difference" to how far inland the storm surge gets? It's gone up a few inches over the past century, just due to the expansion of warmer water ... and given that the Gulf Coast is subsiding anyway, the USGS, NOAA, and other agencies are taking it seriously. (And yes, even a few inches can make a difference in determining what % of a city gets flooded.)




http://www.climatehotmap.org/impacts/coastalareas.html

http://pubs.usgs.gov/of/of00-179/

http://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/sltrends/sltrends.shtml


I bet the "one mile per hour" statistic is based on averages. If there's one thing we've learned about global warming, averages just don't tell the whole story (our assumptions of nice smooth predictable changes spread out over a whole century do not seem to fit real-life climate disruptions).

[omega minimo]

32. Thanks to all providing ACTUAL INFO on this subject here

"I bet the "one mile per hour" statistic is based on averages."

--Yep-- I'm sure there's something to back that bumpersticker up with-- including theoretical statistical analysis up the yingyang.

"...averages just don't tell the whole story....."

--and neither do mindless chop-cut soundbites on network news. What an idiotic (fun to DITTOHEAD) statement. My AS IF semi-rant is above.

"(our assumptions of nice smooth predictable changes spread out over a whole century do not seem to fit real-life climate disruptions)."

--The divide b/w assumptions and real life is what inspired the OP

:evilgrin:

This is an opportunity to develop some REAL respect for real life climate disruptions, i.e. Nature, as well as Science, isn't it? The Earth is cutting through the doublethink like no essay, no research and no soapboxing has been able to.

[PurityOfEssence]

31. Obviously, this has come from the smartest organism to have ever existed

I wonder what J. Robert Oppenheimer would have said about this.

Smart people know how stupid they are; fools and con-artists make proclamations like this.

[omega minimo]

33. The con-artists count on average people feeling like fools

who think the cons are smarter than them.

This rapid-fire catapult assault lets these idiotic unchallenged assumptions delivered by "experts" enter the mainstream like an infection.

:puke:

[Junkdrawer]

34. I think that comes from models that MIT has shown are 700% wrong...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=post&forum=104&topic_id=4870171&mesg_id=4870171

[highplainsdem]

35. ABC's 20/20 gave the global warming/hurricane link more serious attention

last night:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4869742

[omega minimo]

43. Better that TV give us Valid Points than Talking Points

B-)

Thanksverymuch highplainsdem. I'll check that out.

[GreenPartyVoter]

36. Bull puckey

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[genieroze]

38. HOW THE HELL DOES HE KNOW THAT ?

The same way they know that * won Florida and Ohio, fuzzy math?

[OnionPatch]

39. What a bunch of shills

I read this article this morning. I wonder what gives their particular "expert" the authority to make that statement. No mention of all the experts who believe otherwise. Hmmm....I'm feeling the urge to write to them.

[omega minimo]

40. Article? Where? The National Enquirer?

:evilgrin:

That's the level of such a chuckle-headed soundbite. Is that how "dumbed down" the American public is, how manipulative the media is and how bogus junk "science" is? :rhetoricalquestion:

Dya hava link? Thanks!

:hi:

[Pepperbelly]

42. What this asshole SHOULD be discussing is the INSTANT hurricane.

That's what Rita was ... a smallish patch of turbulence in the Carribean that hit the hot gulf waters and BAM! How can this dick even pretend to know that?

And doesn't this rather odd development of Rita set off a few alarms in this guy's noggin?