Tonight's election has me making some major plans for 2005.

[Cascadian]

I think as a result of what has taken place. Karl Rove, Dick Cheney, and the rest of that ilk are a step closer to giving Bush the White House for another four years. They will have also, given America the closet thing to a one-party state in it's over 225 years of existance.

My biggest hope by some act of a miracle, Howard Dean or even General Clark wins in 2004. If that happens, I will stay, but the people behind Bush have been getting away with so much crap, they will stop at nothing....NOTHING to totally takeover the whole United States with Republicans running every facet of life from local government to the Federal government.I think I will be learning Dutch in the coming year. Amsterdam is going to look good after all of this.


John

[Marlie]

1. Hi John

Yes, my husband and I are giving serious thought to leaving the
country if Bush wins in 2004 - many of our friends feel the same
way and it's not just talk. To think I may have to leave my
grown children behind, leave the country I was born and raised in
and loved my entire life is frightening but the alternative is more
so. Amsterdam sounds great - we're thinking of (gasp) France or
Ireland. I think there may be a mass exodus if he wins again.

[TreasonousBastard]

2. Ahh, France...

my memories, and those of so many others, are nothing less than wonderful.

Aside from the famous Parisian snobbery, there are places in the French countryside that have the most marvelous people on earth. And the Parisians aren't really so bad when they get to know you.

Haven't been to Ireland, but never heard a bad word about the place.

I felt immediately at home in Scotland, of all places, and could move there in a minute. I want to check out the Lake district and more of northern England.

Lived in Germany, but it is a bit crowded, like the Netherlands. Not a bad choice, though. Things work. Very well.

And northern Italy. Italy is infinite hassles to get anything done. But, worth the effort to many. Don't even think about any place south of Rome, though.

I question the idea of "escaping," though. It just seems so rash to jump ship because of Shrub. I would like to think that I wasn't getting away from a country gone mad, but going TO a place that I liked enough to spend the rest of my days there.

[JCMach1]

5. Move, but keep voting

That's what I am doing...

[CoffeePlease1947]

3. Mexico is sounding pretty good, it is cheap and sunny. n/t

[Andy_Stephenson]

4. Deutschland Deutschland

Uber alles...uber alles in der welt.

[Toucano]

7. Apply for my old job! n/t

[eileen_d]

6. MARS NEEDS WOMEN!

lol - seriously, I'm probably going to end up moving TO California... not because of my overwhelming respect for the executive branch, but for other reasons. And hey - I'll be moving from a red state to a blue state.

[Benhurst]

8. Don't forget the Federalist Era, John. Nevertheless, I'm

in agreement with you on this, in the same boat, so to say-- perhaps literally.

[fujiyama]

9. Does it seem all that ridiculous

to say you'd like to move out of the country if Shrub's in office again? I mean, at first I used to find what some actors said ovre the top, but the way this country is going, it's givin me the creeps. Plus, I'm young and a student, so a few years outside of the US might do me some good...What do others think? (that's assuming some other far right lunatic doesn't steal power in '08 -- my stay might be even longer)

[eileen_d]

10. It's not that ridiculous to *want* to

But moving to another country (legally) isn't exactly a cakewalk.

For example some Canada information:
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigrate/index.html