Harry Reid - Go to hell!

[Beelzebud]

This guy was just shilling for Bush's pick. Isn't that the job of people in Bush's party?

Why is our minority leader doing this?

I am not a democrat today. Reid just sealed the deal. I'm voting Green/Independant at every opportunity from now on.

[meganmonkey]

1. ...

:popcorn:

[ronnykmarshall]

3. mmmmmmm

:popcorn:

[blondeatlast]

13. I've got the ice cold Cokes! nt

[bee]

21. good call. n/t

[ronnykmarshall]

69. I love co'cola!

Now of that Pepsi for me.

[graywarrior]

2. Yep. Me too.

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[seabeyond]

5. and who did you want bush to nominate. in the best of worlds

so that you could be dem today, who is bush pick suppose to be?

[Beelzebud]

8. I expect our leadership to behave like an opposition party!

I want them to behave like an opposition party. That is my issue.

Is that too much to fucking ask for???

Let the republicans do press-conferences praising Bush's picks.

Why the fuck is our minority leader doing it for him?

[MrBenchley]

20. Isn't it sweet to see mindless Democrat-bashing?

Wonder how many times some of these folks have "left the party."

[seabeyond]

68. i have a hard time believing some people are serious getting

these pigs out of office and destroyed as a party. just not good tactical work to get that done, or to get dems to do what we want. i watched how we got boxer jan 6. it was massive emailing. and she says, thinking about it. send more email. and massive email campaign, until she had the courage to do it

attacking and saying they are spineless they say and do nothing, is so nonproductive and will exactly not get what we want. especially those that are standing up time and again

[MrBenchley]

72. I'm with you...

Not to mention that if you had to pick a way for pResident Shrimp to shoot himself in the foot, you could hardly do better than this.

[seabeyond]

73. i think. and.....i doubt she is a thomas or scalia anyway

this goes with discussion with repug father two nights ago. father sticking up for bush once again. i say he hires people without experience. not good business. fema. roberts. 2 years.

well, this one is going to stick in fathers craw. he is going to think back to me saying, i dont know anything about roberts, only on bench two years. what does it say hiring someone that has never been a judge

[MrBenchley]

74. It is more than possible

we're going to see Republican Senators fighting AGAINST a Republican nominee in public.

And besides bringing back the FEMA scandal all over again by her very existence, she also brings the Texas Air National Guard (and maybe Harken Energy and the Texas Rangers) back into the spotlight.

I also wonder if she had any ties to Enron...damn few Republicans in Texas didn't.

[butchcjg]

6. Because he's anti-choice and not a liberal

Reid is a conservative democrat, remember?

He's anti-choice...
He's against gay marriage...

And so on.

If Barbara Boxer comes out supporting Miers, THEN maybe I'll think she's a good candidate.

But, who cares what Harry Reid thinks!

[FreedomAngel82]

38. The last time I looked

just because you are pro-life doesn't mean you're anti-choice. Has he specifically said he wants to get rid of Roe V Wade?

[converted_democrat]

56. Nope, but she has.....n/t

[butchcjg]

82. he voted against supporting Roe v. Wade!!

From wikipedia:

Some consider Harry Reid pro-life, or an opponent of legalized abortion, because of his vote against support of Roe v. Wade in 2004. Reid subsequently refused to answer whether he wants Roe v. Wade overturned. However, Reid proposed that Bush name one of four fervently pro-life Republican senators--Lindsey Graham of South Carolina (who promptly said he wasn't interested), Mike DeWine of Ohio, Mel Martinez of Florida and Mike Crapo of Idaho--to fill the seat on the Supreme Court vacated by Sandra Day O'Connor.

[Tom Joad]

90. Pro-life? Does that mean he wants the US to cease its war in Iraq?

[nvliberal]

63. Barbara Boxer is a tool.

She's a tool for the Democrats to use to reel in the fringe left whenever the party at large seems to go against what the fringe thinks they should do.

Then the fringe can hail her for her "courage," even though such "courage" was entirely orchestrated by the party at large.

She did this during the electoral vote certification because she was just re-elected and had nothing to lose by sticking her neck out. And she did it at the behest of the other Democratic senators, including Reid. She didn't do it on her own any more than the Congressional Black Caucus did.

Some people don't understand political strategy.

[butchcjg]

83. Boxer

Oh - come on, then. Of course, ALL politicians play politics and strategy. But that doesnt mean that she isn't true to her convictions and doesn't have a pretty good record. I'm not talking about just the electoral vote certification...

[alittlelark]

89. MY senator - Barbara Boxer - is NOT a tool.

She is a progressive DEM. She stands up when others cannot due to their re-election fears. She KNOWS her position is firm. She is able to yell when others must be 'politically correct'. She is strong. She is confident. She is way together.


DO NOT attempt to paint her into a political corner of cronyism.

[alittlelark]

93. Delete - meant for mods.

[Pachamama]

94. 2 words - actually, 2 letters: B. S.

B. S. that Boxer is a tool for anyone....

Sorry....that one will never fly....and given that not only is she my Senator, she is a neighbor and someone I've known for years and I can say right now that the day that she is a "tool" for anyone, is the day I know that they replaced her with a clone....

[rainy]

7. Agreed

[i_c_a_White_Ghost]

9. I've been saying this all along

In my other threads, the Dem's have no balls!

[sui generis]

10. well, I can respect someone who intends to be evil

but if it's just that he's an idealist and he doesn't know or understand how he was played, then he's an incompetent boob, and that's a lot arder for me to deal with than just outright evil.

Unfortunately it's looking like he's being played.

[Ksec]

11. Its temporary.

Give the guy a break. Hes appearing this way to avoid the obvious attacks from the reicht that his mind was made up before he had a chance to look at her.

[graywarrior]

12. I'm just sick of the pandering, and the "co-operation"

Maybe I'm naive and childish, but I am just sick to death of democrats going along to get along. It's just one thing after another..none of my interests being represented, mentioned, stood up for. I feel non-existent to the democrats right now.

[Lecky]

98. It's called being the minority party

Yes it sucks.

[political_invader]

14. Ok I missed it ,now what did he say? nt

[Beelzebud]

16. He did a press conference with Bush's newest SCOTUS pick.

And basically did the republicans job for them.

Praised her. Handed her the job.

Sold us all out.

You'll be seeing transcripts and video. It was one of the worst moments for our party in quite some time, IMO.

[political_invader]

23. Just remember Reid is a conservative Dem.

Wait and see what Barbara Boxer has to say IMO she will be one of the best voices on this issue.

[Jane Austin]

61. Oh, I think it was probably a great moment for our party.

Because anyone who has followed Reid's methods and who listened to what he said would have heard him as he:

1. Castrated the right-wingers who have been bleating that we'd oppose (and trash) anyone Bush nominated.

2. Damned her with faint praise. (She's personable and returns her phone calls? Oh, Wow!)

3. Made half the Republican Right oppose her just on the basis of Reid's swift and very weak "endorsement".

4. Laid the groundwork for further weakening a weak Bush, made problems for an already weakened Frist, and provided ammo for blasting a deeper wedge within the republican party.

Stay tuned.



(edited for tense agreement)

[MrBenchley]

15. I, for one, won't miss you....

"Why is our minority leader doing this?"
To undercut the Chimp with the right wing.

So she can be sandbagged in the hearings.

Because it pisses off the nutcase right.

To keep the focus on the Chimp and his unqualified nominee instead of whether the Democrats are being "unfair."

[blondeatlast]

26. What Reid said is she's qualified--hell, we are ALL qualified for SCOTUS.

Some DUers can't see Reid's rope-a-dope.

Reid is brilliant, even if he's moderate. He's got Bush more than a bit cowed.to lose.

[tx_dem41]

29. "hell, we are ALL qualified for SCOTUS."

Congratulations on being head of a huge state ABA. You've been hiding that from us. :eyes:

Now, can we start actually formulating a plan based on reality and not hyperbole?

[MrBenchley]

32. So where does it say that only state ABA heads are qualified?

"can we start actually formulating a plan"
Like what? How about supporting the Democratic Party once in a fucking while? That's my plan.

[tx_dem41]

40. After reading your other posts on this thread...

we are in agreement. Surprise! (or shock and disgust, I guess). :)

[blondeatlast]

36. That's just protocol--it's not official. nt

[tx_dem41]

42. I'll have my friend on the state ABA board nominate you next

time. :eyes:

[blondeatlast]

44. Cool! I can't wait for the hearings!

The ABA is no more official about this than exactly what Reid did this morning. And endorsement isn't official, notr is it required.

[tx_dem41]

48. You better not be wearing too many spangly things, have appropriate

eye liner/makeup, and promise that you are married and have kids.

[blondeatlast]

55. All of the above! I can't wait!

:bounce:

[tx_dem41]

57. Woohoo!

:bounce:

LOL...nice funnin' with you! :)

[MrBenchley]

31. Reid knows that some members of the media were fishing

for something they could use to hang the headline "Democrats Oppose Woman for Supreme Court" on...

Some people seem to have no idea what politics is about.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

70. Like the entire Green party?

:)

[MrBenchley]

71. Yup...

[tx_dem41]

17. See ya then.

Maybe one day you'll lose the naivete and learn about how politics works.

[MrBenchley]

51. If you could pick who Chimpy would nominate that could damge him most

could you have done BETTER than an utterly unqualified crony with ties to a bunch of his old scandals (including his wartime desertion) who would enrage right wing loonies?

Add to that her generally creepy appearance...if I was Harry Reid I'd be dancing in the aisles that she bobbed up into public view.

Let's face it, the only ones Chimpy could have picked that would have been better for the Democrats would be Jack Abramoff or Ahmen Chalabi.

[kath]

95. how is she tied to W's AWOL from TANG?

veddy interesting...

[NightOwwl]

18. Unlike certain other Dems who will remain nameless...

Harry Reid is a guy who really knows how to play rope-a-dope. He's not going to knock her down on the first day of her nomination.

This is not his last word on the subject. He's planning something...I'm almost sure of it.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

19. I'd be willing to bet you were Green before today started.

[cry baby]

22. I just keep thinking how mad the right must be about her getting

on CNN with him...that's good as gold...at least for today. Maybe he is just trying to fan those flames.

[NightOwwl]

25. Yes...he made sure to mention her contributions to Gore.

He knows exactly what he is doing.

[cry baby]

34. I actually giggled when he said that!!!

This is a pic of right wingers when they heard him say that::yoiks: :wtf:

[FreedomAngel82]

47. She contributed to Gore?

Seriously? Do we know this for sure? Why would Bush nominate someone who gave to Gore?

[Beelzebud]

52. The head guy of the Swiftboat Vets (O'neill) donated to Gore too.

People do that. It's known as CYA.

[rasputin1952]

24. Who really cares what Reid says? If this is the thing that would have you

suspend yourself from the Dem party, in all honesty, I have to wonder why you called yourself a Dem in the first place?...:shrug:

There are many battles to be fought, while this may be a big one indeed, there are other things that will keep me fighting the good fight to ensure that D's get elected and we end the neo-con agenda.

[Beelzebud]

62. It's not THE thing. It's the final straw.

[DainBramaged]

27. I JUST called his Washington office

He didn't recommend her AT ALL. He has NOT decided to support her as yet.

Call yourself;


202-224-3542

[blondeatlast]

28. How're things at Green Underground?

Home of disillusioned DUers--all 5 of them.

See ya!

[Beelzebud]

30. Ok all you political gurus. What EXACTLY is the strategy here.

Some of you seem to think there is some great strategy at play here.

What it is?

Every single time the democrats do something like this, people like you come out and claim some "grand strategy" they are supposedly working with.

There is no strategy here.

She'll get the job, and we'll be left wondering what exactly the "grand strategy" was.

[tx_dem41]

39. "people like you come out and claim some "grand strategy" they are ...

supposedly working with."


And people like you keep saying they're leaving the party and then keep sticking around bashing Democrats at the drop of a hat.

Please, go to GU and stay naive.

[Beelzebud]

41. She'll get the spot, and Reid will look weak for backing her.

Have fun with that strategery.

[tx_dem41]

45. Only if you promise...really promise

to join GU (or at least start it up).

[Beelzebud]

49. LOL Only when you start Democratic Mainstream, okay?

Look, I see your point. I just don't think it is going to work.

She is going to be sitting on the supreme court, and Reid is going to be the democratic minority leader that enodorsed her.

[tx_dem41]

50. Try this thread....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4958865

[comsymp]

85. Great example! Multiple requests for the mavens to reveal the Grand

Strategy there, too!

In fact, 4 or 5 of those requests were mine... sadly, other than being told that I'm probably not a good chess or poker player, I never received an answer. Nor, from my reading, did anybody else.

[blondeatlast]

43. He endorsed MY MOM for the SCOTUS. Probably yours, too.

Think about it for a while--I feel certain you will get it.

[cry baby]

46. If everyone knew the strategy (if there is one), there would be no

strategery in it.

[longship]

33. I back Reid.

As a liberal I do not agree with everything he says and does, but I back him just like I do with every Democrat CongressCritter. It's called party unity and it is an absolute requisite for any party to win.

Do I dislike this SCOTUS nominee? I don't know that yet. But I cannot imagine Chimpy nominating anybody to SCOTUS who I would like. Maybe Reid knows something we don't yet know. I'm willing to listen to him and see how this plays out. He may have a very good reason to do what he's doing. Let's wait and see before we throw Reid off the train, eh?

[butchcjg]

84. why back him?

Why back him for the sake of unity?

He'd be perfectly FINE with an anti-choice nominee!! THat's not one of the standards that he uses!!

So, in order to trust someone's opinion on a candidate - well, we have to have the same standards. I woudlnt trust Joe Lieberman saying that she's an "okay" candidate!

[longship]

88. Because his strategy this morning is working.

That's why. It was a shrewd move on his part. He doesn't like Miers anymore than you do. But he's playing a jiu-jitsu game with the Repugs. His words this morning were notably timid. He condemned with faint praise. The wackos immediately responded by complaining about Miers.

Reid is smart. He did something very cool. Notice that he did not say he would support her.

[magnolia]

35. Calm down....

Give him a break! This is his first response. We know nothing about her. It would be foolish to immediately start ranting. Give him a while...and then you can beat the sh!t out of him.

There is an up side. Bush's base is already going nuts over this selection. Seeing Reid practically endorse her (and he mentioned she gave money to Gore) will make their heads explode.

[FreedomAngel82]

66. Especially the money to Gore!

I wonder why he (Bush) is nominating her. :shrug:

[Beelzebud]

67. O'neill (swiftvets) gave to Gore too. It's called CYA.

Political operatives do this all the time, for this very purpose.

[OneNation]

79. Calm down indeed.

This is just a opening move in chess game. Reid might be hoping that Bush's base shoots down this nomination. The right wing rank and file is up in arms over Miers so that's not such outlandish idea as it might first appear.

If the right wing is the reason that Miers nomination fails, then old Harry Ried can just sit back with a grin on face and comment on the extremism of the Republican party. This might be the only winning strategy the senate Democrats have since they are in the minority.

[butchcjg]

87. Gore was once anti-abortion!! - that's why she donated!

From WIKIPEDIA

"Though Gore has gradually moved politically further left; he was once a moderate-to-conservative lawmaker. Early in his career, he was pro-life; his Congressional voting record was rated by the National Right to Life Committee as 84% anti-abortion. Through the late 1980s, Gore maintained that abortion destroyed innocent human life. He had adopted a pro-choice position by 1988, when he sought the Democratic presidential nomination. Conservatives have criticized his change as stemming from political expedience rather than conviction."

[dogfacedboy]

37. The fight hasn't even begun, and you're accusing D's of caving.

Reid is just going through the usual civilty crap. What sort of a nominee did you expect?

[blondeatlast]

54. As pRetzeldent George W. Bush says:

"When in panic, fear, or doubt,
Run in circles, scream and shout!"

[Lone_Pawn]

53. Well, good luck enabling the Republicans.

Why don't you just write-in vote yourself for every post?

He's doing it because he's smart. You have no credibility if you start by bashing her character--and we know nothing of anything but her character. First compliment her character. Then tear her to pieces with her unqualification.

[nvliberal]

58. Go right ahead and do it.

You and Mike Malloy are doing the Republicans' work for them, since fringe parties will NEVER gain any power in this country.

The Republicans are laughing at nonsense like this.

[Beelzebud]

60. Actually It was Harry Reid doing their work for them today.

Sorry for wanting a party that doesn't do the opposition's work for them.

[marshall]

76. What's he supposed to do?

Before the Roberts' nomination Reid basically said Miers would make a great justice, perhaps not ever dreaming that Bush would actually nominae her. Now that she is the nominee what exactly is Reid supposed to do to backtrack? Say "Oops, I did it again?" and ask for Owen or Brown instead?

[WI_DEM]

59. and last week he was a hero for voting against Roberts

It's always hot and cold on DU, one week your up and one week your down depending on your latest vote. How stupid.

[rfrrfrrfr]

64. The Democrats are

Poised to achieve ultimate victory over their GOP majority oppressers. 7 Unfit Circuit Judges to preserve the filibuster for the supreme court nominee/s and 2 unfit Supreme Court justices. Go Go Dems.

Way to draw a line in the sand and then... err erase it when the rethugs look mean at them. Where are all the we need to save the filibuster for the Supreme court so lets let these sucky nominees, who have no business being on the court in the first place, onto the circuit court people who praised the "Compromise"?

Oh thats right most of them were silent on the Roberts nomination and seem to be practically giddy on Miers.

The nomination of these justices to the circuit courts and the Supreme Court are a blow to our constitutional rights and protections that we won't be able to fix for Generations. Many of us will be dead or in our dotage before we can replace them.

How anyone can call that a victory is beyond me.

[Beelzebud]

65. Exactly.

[LoZoccolo]

75. Then quit hanging around here and wasting our time with this BS, leech.

Go away; you're freeloading off of DU as of now with this attention whoring so get out of here.

P.S. A conservative somewhere has just said to you:

"You do that moonbat, all of you be sure to VOTE GREEN forever!"

I wouldn't be too proud of conservatives encouraging me that way.

[QC]

77. Goodbye,

and good riddance! :hi:

[QC]

78. Alright, Mr. DeMille, I'm ready for my closeup!

Don't you just love these dramatic exit threads?

:eyes:

[ronnykmarshall]

80. Oh no you di'nt!!

:toast:

[QC]

81. Just couldn't resist.

Dramatic exits always make me think of dear old Norma. Nobody could do it like she could.

[stepnw1f]

86. Seeya! (nt)

[jillan]

91. Msnbc and Newsweek are speculating that she is pro-choice

and to top it off, she is a woman.

The righties are pissed about this pick.

So maybe, just maybe, Reid knows something that we don't.

CAN we pleeeeze give the minority leader the benefit of the doubt?!

I have been happy with Reid so far, and I am willing to be open to hear what he has to say.

[Alizaryn]

92. The way I see it is

and most will disagree is, at some point I need to trust the fact that they are in the midst of what is going on and have a better chance of knowing the reality of things. Second guessing ever one of the decisions isn't helping me.

[Lecky]

96. Great!

Maybe in 08' you and your fellow Greenies can muster up votes from 3% of the general population and beat your record in 00'! Woo woo! Then when the Democrats lose and Republicans remain in power please OH PLEASE continue to bitch about Democrats nonstop! We need more dumbass petty arguments like these on DU.

:sarcasm: btw

[dave123williams]

97. I liked the way he phrased it....

"We're very happy he nominated somebody like her."

[The Magistrate]

99. Locking

"You are not permitted to use this message board to work for the defeat of the Democratic Party nominee for any political office."

"Democratic Underground may not be used for political, partisan, or advocacy activity by supporters of any political party or candidate other than the Democratic party or Democratic candidates."

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