I think Cheney is going down.

[garybeck]

I think the events of the last few days implicate that CHENEY is going to be indicted.

There are a few reasons:

There is no way Libby would "out a CIA agent" without being told to. Staffers don't wake up in the morning one day and commit treason.

Libby's "love letter" to Miller indicated that he (and possibly others) are going to "turn". Who could he turn on?

The entire Niger yellowcake ordeal was Cheney's baby and this is just part of that.

Rove came in again only because he could substantiate something that would implicate someone higher than himself. Supposedly in the testimony he said that he "did not tell Bush" he leaked the information. Who's left?

[adarling]

1. maybe thats why he has been visiting the hospital alot

begin the body changing process into another host body. He is satan's spawn and deserves to go down hard.

[AlphaCat]

10. Did they take out the pod parts? LOL!

[Shine]

53. LOL! Good one, adarling.

and welcome to DU, from one newbie, to another!
:hi:
Shine

[walldude]

2. You may be right

I think Rove may go down for Obstruction and Perjury as well. They called him back after Miller's testimony, meaning that she probably contradicted some of his earlier testimony. This is probably why they told his lawyer that they couldn't promise not to indite him. He now has to roll on someone or take the fall... This is gonna be good..

[garybeck]

5. yes, I'm not saying "just" Cheney

Rove too. I don't see a way out for him. Cooper's testimony alone is enough to indict him. There may be others too. I'm just saying that indicators from the last few days seem to point the finger at Cheney.

just had a thought that he could have anohter "heart attack", have his body "cremated" and go live on an island in Tahiti for the rest of his life.

[Paradise]

34. lol. and, you could, very well, be correct. n/t

[applegrove]

3. People who love Nixon & study politics know that you don't tell the

boss if you are up to no good.

They are such a bunch of weasels that they may not have known they were up to no good. They may have believed - because Cheney had the fever - that yellowcake was true.

It could have been a group outside of Cheney that came up with the whole yellowcake idea - because they had a fever going already amongst PNAC - so they wanted more fever. Who ever the people are who broke into the Niger Embassy - they likely where some sort of cell.

Would that not be sad if Cheney or Libby or whoever go down because their "friends" had purposely deluded them into getting a fever for Iraq? Sad because that 'fever' has resulted in so much death & destruction. If the UN had gone in after Saddam.. a few years later..they would have kept the peace. Would have been less imperial.

Who knows. We shall soon find out.

Rummy wants to quit too. Cheney just bought a country estate nearby Rummy's. Perhaps they know something we don't.

[goclark]

61. Rummy is always saying that he has offered to resign

and that Bush won't let him.

This may be his shining hour.

[applegrove]

62. He offered to resign last year after it became apparent his "assumptions"

about war were way off and misguided and led to insurgency. Now - almost a year later, he is suddenly talking about it again.

Just a Kurio.

[MADem]

4. He just bought a mansion in St Michaels, MD

I've been saying this for awhile, and the theory you postulate has real merit.

Cheney takes the dive, gets the pardon, continues to work behind the scenes a short helo flight away from DC and Campo Davido, and they pick some other frontman (or frontWOMAN--like, say, CONDI) dufus to take up the reichtwing standard in the post-Dumbya era.

We cannot let them get away with it...

[Fridays Child]

6. You're right. The home purchase makes perfect sense, in that light.

[Polethebear]

14. I think that it is bout as good as it's gonna get...

I'm just too cynical,ya'll.

[SammyWinstonJack]

33. Who isn't with this bunch of thugs currently in power?

Color me cynical.

[NEOBuckeye]

22. This is where The International Criminal Court should intervene.

Presidential pardons be damned. If the US won't punish its' treasonous war criminals like Cheney, Rumsfeld and Rove, then The Hague should deal with them.

Let justice be served.

[Talismom]

43. Right on! To the Hague with the whole motley crew! n/t

[LibertyorDeath]

7. I'm with you

Most corrupt VP in American history

[fujiyama]

17. Wow he's an ugly creep

A comic book villain couldn't have been better written.

[LibertyorDeath]

20. Pic from Yahoo story today

I'm amazed he's not called

Sneer by everyone.

[Kurovski]

29. I've never laughed so hard AS i AM RIGHT NOW

(OOps! hit the caps lock!)--at something on DU.

That gaga photoshop is a twisted work of comic art. Dark and horrible, and so of course very, very funny.

Yeah, that "Sneer" name is a real natural, George&Dick = Smirk&Sneer.

I think if Dick had been shown more often on the TEEVEE, he'd have more nicknames. As it is, the press and WH has been mostly zipped-up, pulling Dick out for special occasions.

Yep folks, it looks like another Dick is gonna get the White House into trouble. It's hard to say why, but I for one am bursting with anticipation.

[Canuckistanian]

46. LOL "pulling Dick out for special occasions"

Dicks should never be pulled out casually!

[Kurovski]

64. I hear that once you're married it's for birthdays and such...

Says Dick: "Happy Pearl Harbor Day, America! Here I come!!"

[Vanje]

49. Thats not photoshopped

Thats from Yahoo news

[Kurovski]

65. Damned Liberal media.

Nattering nabobs of negativism, always hunting for the most unflattering photos of Fearless Leader.

[NEOBuckeye]

23. Cheney always made me think of Lex Luthor

Though nowhere neare as suave as Lex's more recent portrayals, a criminal mastermind nonetheless.

[mmonk]

42. LOL

How true.

[BuyingThyme]

8. Yes, it's very simple.

Why do we have to complicate things?

[garybeck]

9. If Cheney goes down, Rove will say "Cheney told me to do it."

just watch. When it really comes down to it, Rove is not very sophisticated. he's just nasty.

[blogslut]

13. IMHO: That's exactly what happened

DICK: "Let's tell Karl. He'll blab it to everybody. If he gets caught well, that's just a bonus. MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!"

[oblivious]

11. Would any of this be happening if they had won the war?

I don't know enough about your American system, but I get the impression if they hadn't lost the Iraq war this would have been sluffed off. Losing a supposedly sure thing means someone big has to pay.

[nguoihue]

31. Would this be happening ....?

Nah, if they would've won the war in Iraq already they would have invaded Iran by now. These power crazed simpletons are out for nothing less than total world domination.

[wildwww2]

38. The war. Was never a war. I was and is a war crime. And even at that

it (the war crime Bu$h started) was never something to be won anyway. It was to promote fear and loathing among the placated American people so they could use the military to make their empire larger and stronger. It may still work for them.
Peace
Wildman
Al Gore is My President

[kster]

12. I think you are correct

but I can't get past a few time lines in the whole case, for some reason I think something that some one said as far as time lines go, puts * in the hot seat also. Hence Rove going back to try to clear *.


Just a thought.

[DoYouEverWonder]

27. Yes Rove and Libby are complete loyalists

that is why they are at the top. That is why Rove will never turn on Bush and Scooter will never turn on Cheney. However, what Fitzgerald has so artfully done is to force them to turn on each other. Oh yes, the aspens are turning and it ain't gonna be pretty.

[texpatriot2004]

15. I think he is too but I'll see your Dick and raise you one * too.

Gee, that sounds pretty dirty, and well, they are.

[WildEyedLiberal]

16. Your subject line gave me a HORRID mental image

:evilgrin:

Seriously, it is late, and that was the first thing that popped into my head.

<---- perv

[Occulus]

18. Who comes after Cheney?

And whose choice is that decision?

[garybeck]

19. VP Rove?

I actually suspect that Rove is going to go down too, but if they manage to blame it all on Cheney I could see Rove being named VP.

[dickthegrouch]

56. Don't even THINK that!!!! n/t

[dogfacedboy]

70. Rove is not in the line of succession. n/t

[BigBearJohn]

25. Jeff Gannon (wide grin)

[Mutley]

39. That would just be too delicious for words.

The comedy factor would almost be worth it. :rofl:

[Buns_of_Fire]

32. In the line of Presidential succession, it'd be Hastert

But I think Tinkles would try to get Condi in there.

Or maybe he'd just buy Lenin's body and appoint him. Stuff in a few Disney audio-anamatronics, and who'd be able to tell the difference?

[Cults4Bush]

44. I believe that to be correct as Condi is seemingly the least embroiled in

scandals at the moment.. and Dennis has his own sack on the line with SIbel revelations about that corporate pork loving schill.

[U4ikLefty]

21. He is Jabba-the-Hut...a big, ugly, nasty waste of oxygen.

He embodies everything I despise in the politics of the PNAC. Hate is too nice a word!!!

[Nictuku]

30. Jabba

[I Have A Dream]

60. That's great, Nictuku! n/t

[Kurovski]

68. Is Jabba related to George? They both have the same mouth.

[dogfacedboy]

71. And I'm "lucky" enough to have him as my Rep. n/t

[RONSTOO]

24. YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW RIGHT YOU ARE.

PERIOD.

[JohnnyCougar]

26. I doubt it.

Although you may be exactly right about the situation, remember that all of this has to be PROVEN in court. At least to the extent that there will be a need for a trial for now.

I actually am not sure about how willing these administration officials are to tell the truth about ANYTHING. Who knows? Maybe their plan is to all keep lying and lying, and only come out of this with a perjury charge at worst. Remember, it is hard to even prove perjury sometimes.

Remember, the real truth and what you can possibly prove in court are very seperate.

[NewJeffCT]

36. yes, but with so many lies

will all of them risk jail time, or are they banking on Bush pardons and their control of the mainstream media? If just one person in the White House or among the media actually told the truth, it could effect every other lie out there.

[Cults4Bush]

45. Very true as well there is a difference between Truth and fact, we'd do

well to always remember that with these nut jobs.

[akarnitz]

28. Are the POTUS and VPOTUS even indictable?

I don't know that a grand jury can indict them. I'm a bit fuzzy on this, but wouldn't they be brought to trial in front of Congress?

If so, then Fitzgerald has no input in the impeachment proceedings. Members of the Congress must file articles of impeachment, no?

If I recall correctly, Agnew was not impeached. He resigned from the Vice Presidency and was then tried in a "normal" court for crimes commited before his term as VPOTUS.

Sorrry for the vaguery, but it's 6AM EDST and I need sleep. I'm hoping
better legal minds than mine can provide answers while I'm in Dreamland.

[NewJeffCT]

37. I think it may be possible

Nobody is quite sure, but I think that is partly why Clinton used an outside attorney back duing the Starr fiasco...

and why Bush used an outside attorney when Fitzgerald questioned him.

[Hubert Flottz]

35. Project X is working like a charm!

Tick Tock Tick Dick!

[Mutley]

40. SHHH!!! Radio silence has been ordered.

[Kurovski]

67. Samson left his Flowbee at the doctor's office.

Will you pick it up for him when the waxing Moon sheds its trembling light in amounts sufficient to your travel needs?

Not through Aspen though, I here shit there is all "in clumps" right now.

[robbedvoter]

41. Dick and karl. Here's Rove's "insulation" article:

http://nationaljournal.com/about/njweekly/stories/2005/1007nj3.htm


WHITE HOUSE
Rove Assured Bush He Was Not Leaker

By Murray Waas, Washington-based journalist, for National Journal
© National Journal Group Inc.
Friday, Oct. 7, 2005

White House Deputy Chief of Staff Karl Rove personally assured President Bush in the early fall of 2003 that he had not disclosed to anyone in the press that Valerie Plame, the wife of an administration critic, was a CIA employee, according to legal sources with firsthand knowledge of the accounts that both Rove and Bush independently provided to federal prosecutors.

[Lerkfish]

48. falling on the sword of plausible deniability

sounds like a prearranged plan. Rove claims Bush didn't know. That way, if Rove goes down, Bush still remains relatively unscathed.

[BiggJawn]

47. On WHO?

Yech. What a visual...

I'll believe it whaen I hear that Fitz has sent him a love letter...
That old bastard-with-Natalie's-heart has a hide made of pure Teflon.

[Weembo]

50. Spiro Cheny -- has a nice ring to it

[Mr_Spock]

51. Another crony gone bad. He's going to hell either way.

Satan's coming to get his right-hand-man either way :evilgrin:

[JoZbean]

52. Cheny runs a tight ship......

No one in his office does anything without his knowledge.

[Stephanie]

54. They are sacrificing Cheney in hopes of saving Bush - both are guilty

[number6]

55. who's e going down on ........

:evilgrin:

[nvliberal]

57. On whom besides Lynne? n/t

[JoZbean]

58. OMG! Now that's not a pretty picture!

"Who's he going down on, besides Lynne?"
:puke: There goes my lunch!

[NAO]

59. Cheney is likely the most competent person in the Administration

Yes, he is despicable. Yes, he is evil...

...But he is not a totally inept, borderline-retarded, long-term substance-abusing brain-damaged moron who could not find oil in Texas.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see Cheney in prison. But it would be a damn shame if anything that required leadership were to happen to the country with only * and his useless, hand-picked crony dweebs like Brownie, Miers etc. in charge of things.

An evil leader is better than an incompetent leader (who also happens to be evil) in a crisis situation.

[garybeck]

73. i disagree

cheney is bad news, being involved in the running of our country in any way.

if something "bad" happens, I'd rather have no one in charge than him. he makes things worse. If you think they are responding well to events with him there, look at New Orleans.

[progressive_realist]

63. Makes sense.

Rove is obviously testifying again so he can name names. Who could he possibly name that would take the pressure off himself? Bush or Cheney are the only possibilities I can think of. Cheney is in such poor health that he might have volunteered to take the fall (for a pardon, of course).

[proud patriot]

66. Cheney always reminded me of the Brain in "Pinky and the Brain"

bush reminds me of pinky :crazy:

[dogfacedboy]

69. I hope that vast bowl of pus

succumbs to the stress of an indictment, then one problem will be solved.

[Maru Kitteh]

72. Cheney is expendable - he's not running - Bush could choose CONDI

as his new Vice. Just sayin. How nice for all of them.