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OnionPatch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-10-05 01:06 PM Original message |
Is a Middle Class a natural occurrence in societies? |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-10-05 01:11 PM Response to Original message |
1. The mc was created in the US in the mid 1800's--in a direct response to |
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triguy46 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-10-05 03:17 PM Response to Reply #1 |
33. It was my understanding that it happened about 200-300 |
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lcordero2 (832 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-10-05 01:11 PM Response to Original message |
2. It's not a natural occurrence |
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Cary (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-10-05 01:13 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. Great minds think alike there, lcordero2. (n/t) |
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Coastie for Truth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-10-05 01:23 PM Response to Reply #2 |
9. A unique accident of history |
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lcordero2 (832 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-10-05 01:40 PM Response to Reply #9 |
23. "proletariat"...I think that this word is one that we should drop |
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Coastie for Truth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-10-05 01:59 PM Response to Reply #23 |
27. If you're of MY generation |
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Cary (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-10-05 01:12 PM Response to Original message |
3. Are you a Keynesian? |
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OnionPatch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-10-05 01:22 PM Response to Reply #3 |
8. I don't even know |
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Vincardog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-10-05 01:23 PM Response to Reply #3 |
10. The NoeCons are hostile to the middle class because it is educated |
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Union Thug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-10-05 01:31 PM Response to Reply #10 |
16. YOu nailed it. The world of Dickens IS the natural outcome |
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Vincardog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-10-05 02:18 PM Response to Reply #16 |
30. OF unregulated 'Free Market' Not of Fair Markets' |
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Cary (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-10-05 01:45 PM Response to Reply #10 |
24. That is the irony. |
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Union Thug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-10-05 01:18 PM Response to Original message |
5. NO - the middle class grows as a function of government |
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lcordero2 (832 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-10-05 01:24 PM Response to Reply #5 |
11. the word "underclass" is an understatement |
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pitohui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-10-05 01:21 PM Response to Original message |
6. he's right, few societies have had any middle class |
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Nay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-10-05 01:21 PM Response to Original message |
7. I agree with you that the middle class is not as natural an occurrence |
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OnionPatch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-10-05 01:28 PM Response to Original message |
12. So why do so many believe otherwise? |
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Union Thug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-10-05 01:29 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. Reagan era propaganda still influences thought |
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roseBudd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-10-05 03:57 PM Response to Reply #14 |
35. The Reagan lie "Cadillac driving welfare queen" is a memme that refuses .. |
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newportdadde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-10-05 01:32 PM Response to Reply #12 |
18. Most do not care about history. That why they flush unions etc.. |
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Union Thug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-10-05 01:34 PM Response to Reply #18 |
19. Excellent point... YOu're right.. |
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raccoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-10-05 02:13 PM Response to Reply #12 |
28. Because most people don't know much about history, and |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-10-05 03:15 PM Response to Reply #12 |
32. Because the American ideal is a supposedly classless society. |
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Ksec (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-10-05 01:28 PM Response to Original message |
13. I dont know if its natural but it made the US great |
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OnionPatch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-10-05 01:30 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. Well the problem is that |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-10-05 03:18 PM Response to Reply #15 |
34. Despite the fact that it was taxation and regulation that created it. nt |
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mestup (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-10-05 01:31 PM Response to Original message |
17. Yes, most Americans need educatin' on this. |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-10-05 01:35 PM Response to Original message |
20. Onionpatch, Redistribution of the Wealth is part of every society that's |
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Union Thug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-10-05 01:37 PM Response to Reply #20 |
21. Wasn't the Potlatch banned in WA or OR in the early 1900s? |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-10-05 01:49 PM Response to Reply #21 |
25. EGALITARIAN... damn, those brain cells aren't firing like they used to |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-10-05 01:37 PM Response to Original message |
22. Depends on how you define "middle-class" In ancient republics, |
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Nihil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-11-05 08:47 AM Response to Reply #22 |
36. Thank you! |
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Silverhair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-10-05 01:57 PM Response to Original message |
26. A large middle class can only exist in a blended economy. |
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politicat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-10-05 02:17 PM Response to Original message |
29. A *Large* middle class is an historical abberation. |
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Nihil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-11-05 08:53 AM Response to Reply #29 |
37. Excellent explanation. |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-11-05 02:27 PM Response to Reply #37 |
39. It's interesting how much DUers seem to think there is a 'Natural Order' |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-10-05 02:25 PM Response to Original message |
31. No...And people in the middle class turn against their own interests |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-11-05 09:35 AM Response to Original message |
38. Japan developed a pre-modern middle class only after |
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