What's the worst scenario you envision if Bush wins in 2004 ?

[kentuck]

We know that the way they spend money, we will not have a balanced budget. We will have huge deficits and our debt will increase dramatically. We will probably be more isolationist since nobody in the world respects us anymore -- although a few countries do like our money. We will be mired up to our eyeballs in some military engagement somewhere or another. The taxcuts will not create a lot of jobs as they said. Our economy will remain stagnant and few jobs will be created. Our country will be more divided than ever. That is the way I would see us going...

[Hawkeye-X]

1. If Democrats retake both House and Senate

First agenda: Impeach and toss out the Chimp and his maladministration

I'm moving to Canada if the Chimp is elected again.

Hawkeye-X

[7th_Sephiroth]

62. Patriot act 3

"in a time of war or state of emergency free presidential elections will be revoked, until such a time is declaired over"

[Avalux]

2. i don't even want to think about it

but if it happens, I'm leaving the country. Seriously.

[seoigh]

3. and the bad news

is that sadly, this will all happen. The chimp will win in a landslide.

[mac56]

Welcome, seoigh -

but what do you base that upon?

[Name removed]

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[jbutsz]

43. I would suspect...

From the whole BBV/Diebold issue.

[SammyWinstonJack]

44. Landslide?

Bush* didn't win in a landslide in '00. In fact he didn't win period! He lied cheated and stole, and was appointed to the position he currently holds. Since EVERYTHING has pretty much gotten worse for everyone, save the richest of the rich, I don't see him winning by a landslide in '04. He might however, again LIE CHEAT STEAL and be re-appointed !

[nadinbrzezinski]

4. Worst case

Here you go

Martial Law

Suspention of the Constitution

GULAGS,

Retraining of Liberals

The Final Solution to the Liberal Problem in the US

Civil War

The end of the Republic.

Good enough for yah, and many even here, are in denial

[baldguy]

56. "Relocation" camps in MT, KS, UT, NV . . .

Git yer bags packed.

[bif]

5. WWIII

n/t

[no_hypocrisy]

6. FEMA camps for all us troublemakers who like democracy and

civil rights, and civil liberties.

[rucky]

8. Whut no_hypocrisy Sed

Call it "compassionate facism"

[DuctapeFatwa]

7. all go boom

:nuke:

[ElementaryPenguin]

9. A MIHOPed nuclear explosion in an American city!!

Fucking BFEE/PNAC monsters are truly capable of ANYTHING!!

[kentuck]

10. Few predicted it would be as bad as it presently is....

when Bush stole the election....although a few predicted it..

[Stupdworld]

11. Lets see where to start

Every third Wednesday remote guided planes will fly into preselected buildings, and govt officials will claim arabs did it until Bush has has killed enough Arabs to complete some specific spell required by the illuminate/Skull and Bones/PNAC 3d editions Wizard manual. After that, Bush will immediately require all non-whites to report for "Re-Neducation" which basically means once they are pushed through a door and the door is locked they will be crushed into a goo, lightly salted, and then packaged and served for rich white republicans to smear on melba toast at parties.

then the real fun begins.
nazi flags everywhere, the poor will be forced to fight in gladiator style arenas where the kirk/spock fight music from star trek is played over and over again

SUV's will be allowed to drive anywhere they want, regardless of who or what is in the way.

States will be renamed after Bush contributors

In an orgy reminiscent of the Tom Hanks Dan Akroyd movie "Dragnet", pill popping white men wearing Rush Limbaugh masks and goat leggings will dance akwardly and sacrifice all women who had an abortion, destroy the constitution, reinstitute slavery for the poor not used for amusement or sexual pleasure, and eat a lot of red meat.

John Ashcroft will actually meld with the internet and be called "The Master Control Program." Dick Cheney will have his name changed to "saark" for some wierd reason.

George Bush will proceed to nuke any country that is not the United States that still has non whites left in it and begins with a consonant.
All states that begin with vowels will be "acquired", have deeds printed up, and shall replace all the properties a la a global "monopoly board."

The master control program, thanks to top secet illuminati powers, will be able to monitor thinking, and anybody who even thinks of the constitution or has a liberal thought will be "reneducated"


/i got nothin

[9119495]

33. Wow

You mean re-ned-diddily-eduacted?

[Blitz]

47. But will donuts be plentiful

and will Patty and Selma be alive?

[tom_paine]

37. You're right, you do have nothin'

The reason you post here is...why?

Just wondering. Everytime your monniker you are shitting all over everyone.

Are you "Fair and Balanced" or just a d*ck?

I was just wondering...

[Stupdworld]

40. a little of both and neither

its called sarcasm. sometimes i find these "we are headed down the shithole at warp speed" posts too out there. people have resigned us to lose and not even try while republicans try to literally wipe out civilization for no particular reason

[Blitz]

49. Yes, of course

it's much more productive to post yet another tired Bush = Hitler thread than come up with some original humor.

[leftynyc]

12. at least 2 more Scalias on the Court

n/t

[demnan]

17. I think of all the posts in this thread

yours is the most likely to come to past (sigh). At least I hope the others aren't really serious.

[burrowowl]

13. The coming of the

Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse.

[readmylips]

14. Repig trickery is for many years to come....

We'll see the Bushies in office for the next 50 years. Little man bush will win in 2004, 2008, etc. Congress will lift the restrictions so that he can be voted into office as many times as they like.

[forgethell]

16. Congress can't!!

It would take a constitutional amendment. Teddy Kennedy would filibuster, so it could never get past Congress to go to the states for ratification.

[readmylips]

18. The Kennedys's just joined the repig party...

What are you talking about? Kennedys bow to family loyalty and as of now the only Kennedy in high power is Arnold. Ted Kennedy is dead.

[TexasPatriot]

34. they wouldn't alter the 2 terms rule

W would bow out after 2... and hand the baton to Jeb - who'll run the show for 8 more years. If Bush wins this time, it's Bushes for 12 years.

By then - considering the new policy of preemptive war - we're back to the great game. Imperialism couched in christian dogma and us vs them outgrouping. Pak and India will go to town - because Bush wants them to. Lots of death and destruction around the globe - as Hicks put it, a lot of expats will be victims of american foreign policy.

weeping and moaning and gnashing of teeth

[forgethell]

67. Now you

are probably right. In 2008, it will be Jeb Bush running.

[7th_Sephiroth]

63. they would

just assasinate teddy and anyone else who got in the way

[West Coast Democrat]

15. If he wins the White House......

Repugs will most likely hold onto both the Senate & House again, making for an even worse nightmare.

[quinnox]

19. Unpleasantness but not armageddon

Bush being re-elected would probably mean more economic problems, more conflict that can be avoided, and on balance going in the wrong direction. But it wouldn't mean any of the hysterical, imaginative scenarios cooked up by some.

[jenm]

20. two things we take for granted now,

For one, the ability to visit many overseas destinations will be significantly curtailed. Either it will be too dangerous for an american to show his or her face because of war (read: China), or our government will place travel restrictions "for our own protection." This may extend to mobility within the US as well. Secondly, there will be a tendency for women to take on a more passive societal role, as the culture of war and dominance is empowered further. Many young women coming of age in the next decade will accept unequal or even demeaning treatment as part of the natural order of things.

Dogs and cats living together it ain't.

[ninkasi]

21. World chaos

N/T

[NashVegas]

22. People Just Might Finally Get Pissed Off Enough to Change Something

.. but that's just me.

[mistertrickster]

23. Hell, it can't get any worse!

Bogged down in the mideast with no exit strategy.

No Osama.

No Saddam.

No WMD's.

No anthrax killer.

Historically high poverty level, job loss, wealth concentration, and budget deficits.

****WORST***PRESIDENT***EVER*****

I guess he could fund Star Wars . . .

[MissB]

25. I think he wants to do that, actually

I mentioned here recently that I received a Repthug questionnaire a few weeks ago. One of the questions on there was whether or not I wanted to see Reagan's Star Wars thing put in place.

When we moved a few months ago, we didn't re-register. I'm assuming that is why I received the Rethug survey. :shrug:

[forgethell]

68. You just think

it can't get worse. Mankind has had it lots worse than this throughout history. You could be living in sub-Sahara Africa, for instance, or maybe be a city Tamerlane burned. You optimists never cease to amuse me.

[KamaAina]

24. He plows ahead with the PNAC agenda of world domination, and.....

:nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke:

</life-on-earth>

[paulk]

26. economic devastation...

on a par with the 1930's. Can you say Argentina?

If Bush wants more war, he'll have to institute a draft, leading to civil unrest. It will be a mess.

I can't imagine it - I can't imagine the American people will want four more years of the shit we've gone through.

[Hubert Flottz]

27. 4th Reich is put into place as soon as the faux election is done !

Total police state, bloody riots in the streets!

[elfin]

28. Supreme Court

no more "swing" votes - entirely pro religion, anti choice, pro big corporations - for generations to come.

[Demsupporter]

29. Generations to come?

You give your political enemies far more credit than they can ever succeed at. I don't believe the Senate is going to let him have any appointments to various courts. The real problem will be if the the Repukes do the same thing to the next Democrat President by saying all of his nominees are too liberal. Will the nation then go for years with a tremendous shortage of judges? Will that be a good or a bad thing?

[kwolf68]

30. Lets see

-Curtailing of civil rights

-Dissent squashed

-"Re-Education" Camps erected

-Liberals, Commies, Socialists, Moderate Republicans thrown into them

-Congress and Senate is abolished. Military now makes all decisions

-We have our flags

[Saudade]

32. Worst Scenerio

This is like trying to describe the most terrifying nightmare you haven't yet had. You remember some of your worst dreams, put them together and try to come up with something more horrific.

Certainly, we would be in for a lot more wars against arabs, bringing the self-willed racist "clash of civilizations" to a head.

This would mean that the fraudulent "war on terror" would cease to be the cheap cynical political tool it now is, and become something real, which, of course, would require a suspension of what is left of the Bill of Rights, the total militarization of American culture and society, re-institution of the draft, etc. Something like the military state that is called Israel.

In addition, Bush would have more time to achieve his central goal, which is bankrupting the federal government, in order to roll back basically all of the social programs created since FDR -- this is the real GOP goal since Reagan -- without debate, because there's no point in debating what is fiscally impossible.

This would entail a massive rise in poverty, crime, misery and the need for yet more foreign wars to take peoples' minds off the fact that America is becoming a third world country.

There's a lot more, but I need a drink now.

[Minstrel Boy]

54. Good thing I'm already drinking,

because I agree with everything you said.

Welcome to DU, Saudade. :toast:

[leftchick]

35. he won't "win" 2004 he will steal it like in 2000....

and worst case for my family and I is that we will not have any money left to leave this country post haste.....

[i have issues]

36. All of the above...

AND with Jeb waiting in the wings.... 12 years of the * crime family. I'm horrified to even imagine....

[SammyWinstonJack]

50. All Americans had to worry about when Clinton was re-elected

was.... well ........basically nothing! They sure weren't worried about all the things described in this thread ever becoming a reality. Ah, but how I could I forget? THIS IS ALL CLINTON'S FAULT! :argh:

[Faygo Kid]

38. Horst Wessel song as national anthem

We are finished if he "wins" a second term. Total dismantling of New Deal. Set-up for Jeb Bush in 2008. More war; more war profits for Halliburton. Re-introduction of Alien and Sedition Acts. Appointment of far-right, corporate lackey Supreme Court justices. Ugh. My move to Canada.

[fla nocount]

39. Civil war and more David Koresh's

than you can wave a tank cannon at. If people have no country or constitution to defend they'll band together and defend themselves. Let's not forget the countries roots. The same blind lust being fanned by the media lies will exist whatever the target. The machine knows what will happen if this countries populace should ever view the government as enemy. A collective sense of betrayal is all that is needed to create a whole new world.

[angka]

41. emergency plan white

google it up, baby, cause they're gonna need it...

[zonmoy]

42. worst case scenario

pat robertson takes his place and we end up a christian reconstruction theocracy.

[DebJ]

45. Election 2004? Wasn't that eliminated by an Executive Order?

Seriously a friend of mine thinks GWB will simply eliminate
the next election in the interests of National Security.  It
seems GW can get rid of any act of the Congress he doesn't
care for via an Executive Order.  Does anyone know a good
website where I can find out about the powers of executive
orders and which ones so far GW has done?

[newyawker99]

58. Hi DebJ!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[LSdemocrat]

46. The Second Great Depression

Which would be caused by ever-increasing deficits which would lead to increasing interest rates which will decimate anyone on a flexible-rate mortgage or carrying a significant amount of debt. This personal loan/mortgage failures would lead to a near total collapse in the US consumer market, leading to record levels of unemployment and depression around the world.

[kodi]

53. pretty close, dramatic currency devaluation, followed by massive layoffs

one thing that wall street liked was bill clinton and robert rubin.

this crowd scares the ever living shit out of money managers and financiers.

[imax2268]

48. Worse case scenario...

BushCo will push the button and claim God said he's to be the ruler of the world...

But...I don't think he will win...he's finished...!

[frank frankly]

51. it will be a police state, overtly a police state, by 2007

then Jeb or Arnold become President. after that, ironically, something along the lines of post-apocalypse Terminator.

no shit.

things like armed unmaned drones patroling the border, urban video surrveliance, citizen informant groups, massive police states lead by CDC or NSC or whatever the fuck they want to call it...

it won't be anything anyone will want to be a part of, but it will all be for our freedom and security.

lots and lots of prisons.

[TrogL]

52. empowered Freepers

At the height of the Raygun era, Freeper types decided gay-bashing (literally, with baseball bats) was the thing to do on a Friday evening - and they often got away with it as Repug police-types looked the other way.

[foreigncorrespondent]

55. The end of the world.

If Bush* gets elected in 2004 then he will have nothing to lose.

He will probably turn the United States into marshal law. Asskkkrack will get his concentration camps. The left won't have to worry about jobs, because it will be the left that will be viewed as traitors and locked away in those concentration camps.

Bush* will really push for the United States to be the ruler of the world. Australia will probably become another convict colony again.

There won't be anymore DU. And I probably will never see Sapphocrat again.

[bluestateguy]

57. Predictions:

1) At least one more war (Iran, Syria, N. Korea, etc)

2) Another 9/11 terrorist attack which will be shamelessly used by this Administration for political gain.

2a) Possible martial law.

2b) Patriot Act II

2c) Random jailings of dissidents.

3) The military draft.

4) Deficits of 600 billion

[earthman dave]

59. More of the same, only faster

More robbing the poor to give to the rich, more private control over basics like energy and water, more 'deregulation', basically more of the same, not enough money for healthcare or public services, and when everything's nice and fucked in about ten years or so, that's when the people will start getting scared and looking for a 'strong' (read: fascist) leader. Your current overlords are just a bunch of typical recycled reaganites, but the way they're driving your economy into the ground, they're setting up the conditions for some really unpleasant shit a few years down the line.

[fujiyama]

60. First things first...

This scenerio is certainly very frightening. But very real at the same time. Being the case that I haven't become a citizen yet I better do it quickly, because even permanent residents can be deported at whim (the supreme court ruled it was legal to deport a South Korean man for petty theft).

But that's just the begining. Usually how a nation treats its noncitizens is some indication of how they'll treat their own citizens (or atleast it's sometimes prophetic)....and with that being the case, the government would basically be able to "remove" people's citizenships. With their citizenship, along goes their rights (or what remains of them), and as Patriot Act II is passed, and all the provisions of the first P.A. are made PERMANENT, abuse of government power will become a "normal" part of life. Like it is in the case with many dictatorships.

So both houses of congress are retained by republicans. The democrats lose all power to fillibuster. More right wing fanatics are placed in the courts. The "swing vote" of Sandra Day O'Conner is replaced by an even more extreme justice like Scalia.

Everyone one of the bill of rights will be "reevaluated". The essence of the first and fourth ammendment will cease to be. More restrictions are therefore allowed on speech, and this web site would be forced to move out of the country.

The media becomes even more consolidated in the hands of GE and Rupert Murdoch. Murdoch is able to buy out as many local outlets as he wishes.

The beat of propaganda marches forward as the new war begins. What responsibilities that would have been those of the civilian government at earlier times would become those of DoD (much as the Iraq War showed). Eventually at one point, the civilian government (or what remains of it) ceases to have any role to play in military affairs. This in effect becomes a shadow government, abolishing the old CIA and NSA (which doesn't completely go along with the new government's plans)...

Meanwhile domestically Bush realizes that a somewhat strong economy is needed to keep the people compliant, and just enough to stop the people from revolting (like in China), so trillions more are poured into military programs like missile defense, and Star Wars. This builds an even more militarized society, where people are force fed more propaganda during work time. At the same time, the patriot act expands terror to drugs, to illegal music downloads (hey it all ties in).

This will be the New America. It will be somewhat reminicent of those distopia films (like blade runner or something) but possibly even darker.

[HitmanLV]

61. my worst scenario....

Bush/Rudy win in 2004, winning about 400 EVs including NY's.

Coatails and Texas redistricting leads to spreads in the Senate of 55-44-1 in favor of the Rs, and 235-200 in the House in favor of the Rs.

This gives Bush a legacy in 2008, something he doesn't have now. This naturally leads to Rudy/Rice vs Hillary/??? in 2008, which I would expect would be a loss for dems.

[West Coast Democrat]

71. Keep Dreaming, Disruptor!

Rudy on the ticket? 9-11 is history! And Condi Rice is one of the most inarticulate, lying idiots in the whole administration!

[VOX]

64. Someone, somewhere will actually use a nuke, and maybe it's the U.S.

Open season on the environment, a further move to a one-party system, incipient corporate facism goes into full bloom, and nobody cares as they all keep Faux News on day and night.

If you're a betting person here are a couple of good ones:

-Rudy Guiliani will be on the GOP ticket in 2004;
-Arnold will run for president in 2008 (why Jeb, when you've got Jeb-on-steroids?)

[Spirochete]

65. I can't help but wonder

if there may be a coalition of a lot of the larger countries, waiting for the results of the 2004 election to determine whether or not they band together and try to stomp the shit out of us, rather than give WhistleAss four more years to fuck up the entire planet.

[laruemtt]

66. oil derricks in the grand canyon, &

a new city in canada named DU-ville. see y'all there.

[pfitz59]

69. The End of the World as You Know It!

Overlords and serfs. Nuff said.

[Cat Atomic]

70. Worst case, and realistic: Invasions of Venezuela, Iran, and

maybe Syria. They finally push North Korea over the edge and discover that they did in fact have a few nukes. Until they were detonated.

Continued erosion of individual rights here at home, with even more extreme polarization of wealth. Union busters runs out of unions to bust. Jobless rates soar.

And you hear none of it on television or radio because NPR and PBS have been gutted. You can't find info on the internet because the best sources have been deemed "terrorist sites" or a "threat to national security".

Tinfoil hat stuff, maybe maybe. Maybe not.