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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 12:30 PM
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Poppy Bush was once CIA Director
and now his first-born is waging war with that agency.

Oh, the irony.

Where does Poppy's allegiance rest?
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 12:31 PM
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1. No, his firstborn and Poppy's holdovers
are trying to take over the agency and the world.
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 12:31 PM
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2. With his boy. So this is tearing his heart out. * is Oedipal, so he is OK
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Vanje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 12:31 PM
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3. "Where does Poppy's allegiance rest?"
with the oil industry.

duh
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Neocondriac Donating Member (732 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 12:34 PM
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4. Poppy is a mother fvcker!
He had Lee Harvey Oswald's brother phone number on his rolodex before November 63.He had strong ties to Cuba too in 62 and 63.
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 12:39 PM
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8. And they were friends with the Hinkley family!
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purji Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 11:57 AM
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10. He must be the only one in America
who can't remember where he was when kennedy was shot.
I believe he was in Dallas.
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MountainLaurel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 12:37 PM
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5. The CIA HQ is named after Poppy
The George Bush Center for Intelligence, in Langley, VA. Now those are words you never thought you'd see strung together.
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 12:38 PM
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6. There are two very different "CIA"s - one legal, one not-so-legal...
See this thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=4085148

I think Poppy helped move the not-so-legal CIAs to Saudi digs when the Church commission outlawed it.
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 12:38 PM
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7. Do a search here for


the words "Poppy in the Middle" and just get a taste of how dangerous Poppy is and why your tin hat should be on tight.

That only searches the surface.
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blarbushie Donating Member (162 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 11:55 AM
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9. The Most Insidious of Traitors
"Even though I'm a tranquil guy now at this stage of my life, I have nothing but contempt and anger for those who betray the trust by exposing the name of our sources. They are, in my view, the most insidious of traitors."
-- George Herbert Walker Bush, 1999

By William Rivers Pitt
t r u t h o u t | Perspective
http://truthout.org/docs_03/093003A.shtml
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highplainsdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 12:08 PM
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11. Poppy misused the CIA and undermined its credibility with "Team B" in the
1970s.

See

http://www.boston.com/news/globe/ideas/articles/2003/11/02/the_hard_liner/

for some background on this:

In late 1975, a dramatic reshuffling of the Ford administration installed a new defense secretary, Donald Rumsfeld, a new chief of staff, Dick Cheney, and a new CIA chief, George H.W. Bush. It was Bush who approved the formation of "Team B," a group of 16 outside experts charged with challenging what some considered the CIA's sanguine estimates of Soviet military strength. Pipes, named the group's chairman, brought in a brilliant young weapons analyst, Paul Wolfowitz. "Richard Perle recommended him," Pipes says of Wolfowitz today. "I'd never heard of him."

Team B was engulfed in controversy from the outset. A top CIA analyst called it "a kangaroo court of outside critics all picked from one point of view." Others said its mission was to hype the Soviet threat. Pipes disagrees. "We dealt with one problem only: What is the Soviet strategy for nuclear weapons? Team B was appointed to look at the evidence and to see if we could conclude that the actual Soviet strategy is different from ours. It's now demonstrated totally, completely, that it was," he says, adducing documents in Polish archives that show the Soviets planning to use nuclear weapons in the event of war.

Still, the debate persists, as much because of the panel's methods as its findings. While some Team B reports (for instance, Wolfowitz's on intermediate-range missiles) were closely reasoned, others drew on what Pipes himself calls "soft evidence" such as Soviet "theoretical writings that showed they didn't share the MAD doctrine." (That is, the doctrine of "mutually assured destruction," the premise that both sides would avoid a first nuclear strike for fear of unleashing armageddon.)

At times, Team B performed logical somersaults that eerily foreshadowed Bush administration statements on Iraq and weapons of mass destruction. Just because superweapons like a "non-acoustic anti-submarine system" couldn't be found, Pipes's report argued, that didn't mean the Soviets couldn't build one, even if they appeared to lack the technical know-how.



It was the Cold War equivalent of Dubya's claims that Iraq had WMDs.
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