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RamboLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-05 12:46 AM Original message |
Non-Swimmer Jailed for Not Rescuing Toddler in Rain-Swollen Creek |
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funflower (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-05 12:50 AM Response to Original message |
1. Very weird. Some DA's just need more to do with their time.... |
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Digit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-05 12:53 AM Response to Original message |
2. What about the father? The father let him wander off for a second time! |
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expatriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-05 01:25 AM Response to Reply #2 |
31. no shit..... |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-05 01:52 AM Response to Reply #2 |
52. The father was charged too |
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Scout (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-05 06:58 AM Response to Reply #52 |
105. he did not actually testify |
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Neil Lisst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-05 12:55 AM Response to Original message |
3. This is nonsense. There is NEVER a duty to risk your life ... |
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cynatnite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-05 01:10 AM Response to Reply #3 |
14. I wouldn't say never... |
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seriousstan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-05 01:17 AM Response to Reply #14 |
24. It is a good question about what is a parents, or surrogates, responsibility |
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Neil Lisst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-05 02:18 AM Response to Reply #14 |
67. Why is it murky? She's not a police officer. She's a bystander. |
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cynatnite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-05 02:25 AM Response to Reply #67 |
70. She's the father's girlfriend... |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-05 05:35 AM Response to Reply #70 |
95. I don't think she signed a coastguard oath |
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TX-RAT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-05 08:52 AM Response to Reply #3 |
117. Failure to stop and render aid? |
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Neil Lisst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-05 12:37 PM Response to Reply #117 |
125. No. No duty. The duty to stop and render aid is triggered by ... |
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seriousstan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-05 12:56 AM Response to Original message |
4. Unfortunately, most juries consist of those too stupid to get out of it. |
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Straight Shooter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-05 01:05 AM Response to Reply #4 |
9. That's an unfair comment. |
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seriousstan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-05 01:07 AM Response to Reply #9 |
11. Sorry, been there 3 times. I speak from experience. What about you? |
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Straight Shooter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-05 01:10 AM Response to Reply #11 |
13. Former court reporter. |
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seriousstan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-05 01:13 AM Response to Reply #13 |
18. A court reporter damn near never hears a juror talk after they are chosen. |
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Straight Shooter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-05 01:15 AM Response to Reply #18 |
21. Spend some time in chambers listening to which evidence will be withheld |
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seriousstan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-05 01:18 AM Response to Reply #21 |
26. It really wouldn't matter in regard to the jury's deliberation. |
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Straight Shooter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-05 01:25 AM Response to Reply #26 |
33. I am going to respectfully but vehemently disagree. |
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seriousstan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-05 01:19 AM Response to Reply #21 |
27. Imagine "Twelve Angry Men" without Fonda. |
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Scout (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-05 07:02 AM Response to Reply #11 |
106. I've served jury duty several times |
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cynatnite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-05 01:07 AM Response to Reply #9 |
12. It's also hard to know how it was handled in the courtroom... |
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Straight Shooter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-05 01:12 AM Response to Reply #12 |
15. That's a good point. |
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Blue_Tires (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-05 02:06 AM Response to Reply #15 |
63. exactly... |
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alarimer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-05 07:40 AM Response to Reply #15 |
110. In all probability if she had jumped in she would be dead |
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RamboLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-05 01:40 AM Response to Reply #9 |
40. DA must've presented a helluva case |
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bluestateguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-05 01:44 AM Response to Reply #40 |
45. She had a public defender |
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bluestateguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-05 01:13 AM Response to Reply #4 |
17. Simple way to fix that problem |
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seriousstan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-05 01:15 AM Response to Reply #17 |
20. That is ridiculous. Would you then serve? |
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bluestateguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-05 01:16 AM Response to Reply #20 |
23. I will answer that question, if you tell me why my idea is ridiculous |
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seriousstan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-05 01:23 AM Response to Reply #23 |
30. Because only a fool would expose themselves to that kind of liability. |
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bluestateguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-05 01:28 AM Response to Reply #30 |
37. OK, we'll repeal the new bankruptcy law |
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cynatnite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-05 01:32 AM Response to Reply #23 |
39. It's ridiculous because juries work with what they're given... |
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bluestateguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-05 01:42 AM Response to Reply #39 |
44. reply |
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cynatnite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-05 01:48 AM Response to Reply #44 |
48. How do you punish someone based on their belief? |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-05 01:57 AM Response to Reply #17 |
57. No, prosecutors should have to serve the sentence |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-05 06:12 AM Response to Reply #17 |
103. actually it is all but impossible to sue |
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nonconformist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-05 07:28 AM Response to Reply #4 |
108. I think that is very offensive. |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-05 07:32 AM Response to Reply #4 |
109. So your arguments didn't win the day, is what you're saying? |
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AirAmFan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-05 12:56 AM Response to Original message |
5. IMO this is a PR publicity stunt for DA Dave Gorman. What are his political |
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RamboLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-05 01:18 AM Response to Reply #5 |
25. I don't know his political persuasion - area is conservative |
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cynatnite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-05 01:00 AM Response to Original message |
6. There's more to this story: |
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RamboLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-05 01:15 AM Response to Reply #6 |
19. I was in Hollidaysburg that day and I saw the creeks |
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cynatnite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-05 01:25 AM Response to Reply #19 |
32. I would have expected her to have the same punishment as the father... |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-05 01:19 AM Response to Reply #6 |
28. There's more than that even |
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cynatnite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-05 01:28 AM Response to Reply #28 |
36. Yes, and I think the DA played on the emotions of the jury, too... |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-05 01:46 AM Response to Reply #36 |
46. There's a responsibility premise in law |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-05 01:41 AM Response to Reply #6 |
43. She may have been viewed as intervened |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-05 01:51 AM Response to Reply #43 |
50. The second link does |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-05 07:55 AM Response to Reply #50 |
111. But she wasn't as responsible as he is |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-05 12:17 PM Response to Reply #50 |
128. This makes sense. |
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crispini (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-05 05:59 AM Response to Reply #6 |
100. "If she didn't believe she had a legal duty..." What codswallop! |
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bluestateguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-05 01:03 AM Response to Original message |
7. Good Samaratin laws don't work. |
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cynatnite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-05 01:04 AM Response to Reply #7 |
8. I don't believe PA has one n/t |
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niallmac (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-05 01:07 AM Response to Original message |
10. So if Harriet doesn't work out will this guy be nominated for SCOTUS?n/t |
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kurth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-05 01:13 AM Response to Original message |
16. But DeLay felt a duty to save a brain-dead patient |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-05 01:15 AM Response to Original message |
22. This isn't the story |
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seriousstan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-05 01:25 AM Response to Reply #22 |
34. I agree. |
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RamboLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-05 01:26 AM Response to Reply #22 |
35. And how often do you hear of parents being convicted |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-05 01:41 AM Response to Reply #35 |
41. That's not true |
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RamboLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-05 01:56 AM Response to Reply #41 |
56. Short of leashing him tough to get a stubborn 2 year old |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-05 02:05 AM Response to Reply #56 |
62. That's what a jury decides |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-05 01:53 AM Response to Reply #35 |
53. Also, that father was convicted |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-05 07:59 AM Response to Reply #53 |
112. On a lesser charge, lesser time |
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MountainLaurel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-05 08:31 AM Response to Reply #35 |
116. It's considered a tragic accident |
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Oversea Visitor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-05 01:22 AM Response to Original message |
29. Gee |
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NorthernSpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-05 01:58 AM Response to Reply #29 |
58. nowadays, everydamnthing ends up in court... |
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cynatnite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-05 02:02 AM Response to Reply #58 |
59. But when things like this can be prevented... |
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NorthernSpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-05 02:16 AM Response to Reply #59 |
66. she DID try to keep the kid away from the creek... |
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cynatnite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-05 02:24 AM Response to Reply #66 |
69. what does 'carefully refusing to notice' mean? |
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NorthernSpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-05 02:36 AM Response to Reply #69 |
71. I'm pointing out that if she had ignored the creek, and ignored the kid... |
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cynatnite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-05 02:43 AM Response to Reply #71 |
75. So she could pretend she had no responsibility? |
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NorthernSpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-05 03:14 AM Response to Reply #75 |
83. it's no pretense... |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-05 02:44 AM Response to Reply #71 |
76. The kid wouldn't have followed her to the creek |
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NorthernSpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-05 03:06 AM Response to Reply #76 |
82. that made no sense whatsoever... |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-05 03:41 AM Response to Reply #82 |
88. Was anybody else prosecuted??? |
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NorthernSpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-05 04:20 AM Response to Reply #88 |
89. wrong! she didn't just "do NOTHING" when the kid fell in... |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-05 05:29 AM Response to Reply #89 |
94. Because they were strangers |
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NorthernSpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-05 09:17 AM Response to Reply #94 |
118. no, the legal reasoning behind this prosecution... |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-05 12:13 PM Response to Reply #118 |
124. I never said it was |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-05 02:08 AM Response to Reply #58 |
65. They charged the father too |
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Elwood P Dowd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-05 01:32 AM Response to Original message |
38. All Bush supporters should be arrested and convicted |
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NorthernSpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-05 01:41 AM Response to Original message |
42. I will NEVER help any parent with his/her kids; anyone who does is a fool. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-05 01:48 AM Response to Reply #42 |
47. They were DATING |
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johnnydrama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-05 01:52 AM Response to Reply #42 |
51. dumb |
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cynatnite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-05 01:54 AM Response to Reply #51 |
54. No, I think she would have been held just as responsible... |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-05 01:54 AM Response to Reply #51 |
55. They were dating, what is it that people don't get about dating |
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NorthernSpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-05 02:04 AM Response to Reply #55 |
61. "don't ever date anybody with kids"? Ha! Why the hell would I? |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-05 02:07 AM Response to Reply #61 |
64. Well my, I hope you don't n/t |
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NorthernSpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-05 02:20 AM Response to Reply #64 |
68. oh, but just think of all that I'll be missing out on... |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-05 02:46 AM Response to Reply #68 |
77. That's your choice |
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NorthernSpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-05 02:59 AM Response to Reply #77 |
80. the problem is that many parents shirk the duties of parenthood... |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-05 03:04 AM Response to Reply #80 |
81. That's what's peculiar |
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REP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-05 04:27 AM Response to Reply #61 |
92. Was That Supposed to be an Insult?!? |
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NorthernSpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-05 10:19 AM Response to Reply #92 |
121. but just think of all that wonderful liability we're missing out on! |
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PaulaFarrell (840 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-05 02:37 AM Response to Reply #55 |
72. Disagree |
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cynatnite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-05 02:40 AM Response to Reply #72 |
73. Since we don't know much about their relationship, it's hard to say... |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-05 02:41 AM Response to Reply #72 |
74. We don't know their exact relationship |
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NorthernSpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-05 02:48 AM Response to Reply #74 |
78. no. the nature of their relationship was not the point... |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-05 02:54 AM Response to Reply #78 |
79. It was both |
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NorthernSpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-05 03:17 AM Response to Reply #79 |
84. no, I read the articles... |
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cynatnite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-05 03:20 AM Response to Reply #84 |
85. If she had been a complete stranger... |
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NorthernSpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-05 03:33 AM Response to Reply #85 |
87. again, the prosecution's argument DOESN'T posit a special relationship... |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-05 03:31 AM Response to Reply #84 |
86. My mistake, I read other articles |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-05 08:08 AM Response to Reply #78 |
115. And that sets up a bad precedent |
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NorthernSpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-05 10:07 AM Response to Reply #115 |
120. absolutely! |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-05 08:05 AM Response to Reply #72 |
114. My cousin does -- he uses his dates as babysitters |
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crispini (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-05 06:02 AM Response to Reply #55 |
101. What the hell? |
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REP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-05 04:21 AM Response to Reply #42 |
90. Same Here - Not Worth The Risk |
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cynatnite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-05 04:25 AM Response to Reply #90 |
91. So the lesson learned is... |
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REP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-05 04:29 AM Response to Reply #91 |
93. Or Maybe, "Watch Your Own Child" |
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Coventina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-05 09:51 AM Response to Reply #91 |
119. Yep, that's the lesson exactly. n/t |
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Scout (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-05 07:17 AM Response to Reply #42 |
107. Bravo! |
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NorthernSpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-05 10:20 AM Response to Reply #107 |
122. (taking a tiny bow...) |
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tom_paine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-05 01:50 AM Response to Original message |
49. More craziness from Bush's America |
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bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-05 09:36 PM Response to Reply #49 |
127. It sounds like a sexist conviction |
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Blue_Tires (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-05 02:04 AM Response to Original message |
60. what a crock |
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RandiFan1290 (721 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-05 05:41 AM Response to Original message |
96. Life-saver arrested after effort |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-05 12:54 PM Response to Reply #96 |
126. Yeah, but that was Texas- so it doesn't count |
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PatriotGames (896 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-05 05:48 AM Response to Original message |
97. EMS people tell you to call for help if you are not capable |
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CrownPrinceBandar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-05 10:29 AM Response to Reply #97 |
123. Thank you! Thank you!...... |
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Nay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-05 05:52 AM Response to Original message |
98. this decision is a bad one. |
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cynatnite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-05 05:55 AM Response to Reply #98 |
99. I think they believed she could have prevented.... |
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jmm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-05 06:11 AM Response to Original message |
102. I've seen a number of serious car accidents |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-05 06:26 AM Response to Original message |
104. Ridiculous. How can they convict this woman? |
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HeeBGBz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-05 08:03 AM Response to Original message |
113. That is such a bullshit charge |
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