what an asshole delay's attorney is, starts out casting aspersion...

[bridgit]

onto the hearing judge for contributing to moveon.org, how typical it is for republicans to walk in the door slinging shit on everyone :thumbsdown:

[QuettaKid]

1. careful...his attorney is a Dem. nt.

h

[johncoby2]

3. No. DeGuerin is a whore.

He is doing it for the money. AND LOTS of it!!!

Dem or not. He is a whore.

[WiseButAngrySara]

12. I met him in Houston a few years ago, and I used to like him until he

represented this POS. Who thinks he's a Dem? He has recently praised Kay Bailey Hutchison like she was a goddess! (And what attorney who is that good, doesn't do it in part for money? Would YOU represent DeLay for free?)

[kurth]

13. It is so fucking ironic

DeLay was so partisan that he literally forced out almost every Democrat on K Street. (Democrats: Try looking for a job as a lobbyist in Washington). And now both he and Karl Rove went out and hired Democrats as their criminal defense attorneys...

Yes, DeGuerin is a whore by trade. Defense attorneys have no compunctions defending shit and scum.

[Geoff R. Casavant]

42. It's a different mindset

I hope I never decide I can choose who is worthy of good and zealous representation. Of course, I'm not a criminal law attorney, but it seems to me that most people get into that line of work because they want to protect the innocent from governmental overreaching, and if that's the case, you take every legal step to protect your client.

Don't forget the power of a good CYA as well. If DeGuerin didn't at least make the motion to recuse, he would set himself up for a malpractice suit from DeLay later.

[bowens43]

4. Dems can't be assholes?

[bridgit]

5. it matters not the defense is delay's...

attorneys are well capable of distance & plausible deniability for whatever they consider jurisprudence need be

[Toots]

20. I think Rove is as well isn't he?

I seem to recall hearing that some place or maybe it was that he donated to Democrats. :shrug: Sometimes names aren't what they are cracked up to be.

[bridgit]

22. so did Harriet i think...

:shrug:

[silverlib]

40. He doesn't look like a DEM to me ...his donation

record only includes Republicans in 2003 and 2004.

Thanks Pirate Smile - post 21

[goodboy]

57. Like Crazy Zell Miller? Pahleze...He's a dem in name only. (nt)

[SteppingRazor]

2. First, his attorney's a well-known Democrat...

Second, it's his job to be an ass and make everyone else look biased.

I don't blame him for doing his job. I blame Delay for being a greedhead criminal

[bridgit]

11. see post# 5...

i have an attorney as well, and @ $600/hr i am my glad when he works pro bono for me, but he & i are agreeable; imo it is a ruse for delay to have sought out a dem lawyer

[Darkhawk32]

6. Let them string this out... more bad publicity for them and the Repukes.

[no_hypocrisy]

7. Politics aside, it's not the strongest argument he could have opened with.

I would have addressed the issue head on, or lack of evidence, that kind of thing.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

8. Our legal system is an adversary system. A good lawyer uses all tools.

[Gyre]

9. It's a classic criminal defense attorney move.

Means their side is desperate. Theatrics is where they go when they've got no plausible defense theory. "Baffle them with BS."

Gyre

[afdip]

10. i think he's off to a great start . . .

let's see, we start by pissing off the judge, always a good move when it comes to future motions.

[bridgit]

17. there you go, accusing the judge by inference of buying a t-shirt...

:rofl: i see a republican lawyer walking in there and citing law & process; isn't it a weak defense grounds for retrial somewhere. it was not a stellar opening shot for 'dem lawyers' if that is the case

[slackmaster]

14. That's exactly what a good defense attorney should be doing

The system is inherently adversarial. A defense attorney must provide a vigorous response to charges. If the judge's political associations are a potential weak spot, that makes him a legitimate target.

[WiseButAngrySara]

15. What are Perkins' quotes by Perkins to MoveOn.org? ....n/t

[silverlib]

16. Has DeGuerin donated to Dems?

That would be interesting. I am getting ready to go to work and can't search. If he did, wouldn't that show judicially that campaign contributions do not reflect judicial decisions?

[Pirate Smile]

21. He has donated to both. Here is the link.

http://www.newsmeat.com/fec/bystate_detail.php?st=TX&last=DeGuerin&first=Dick

[bridgit]

48. may as well butter both sides...

:shrug:

[Pirate Smile]

18. Why the hell is there singing going on in the background during

Delay's attorney's little press conference?

Bizarre.

[TrueAmerican]

I thought they were singing one of thos Fritzmas songs

It's beginning to look a lot like Fritzmas....

[bridgit]

25. don't cry for me argentina, maybe...

:cry:

[cry baby]

37. They are singing "the Eyes of Texas" are upon you....

my guess is that they are protesters of Delay and his criminality.

[bridgit]

46. i'll go with that...

[shenmue]

19. Well...

attorneys do have to say things that support their clients. Whether we like it, or whether it's true, is another thing entirely because the lawyer is just doing his job. I'd expect him to say things like that, dumb as it is.

That out of the way, what he did say was pretty dumb indeed, and I can't wait for the Bug Man to vanish down the drain like the waste that he is.

[zanne]

23. I was wondering about the singing, also.

Is it a choir or something? Sounds like one.

[Spazito]

24. Delay's lawyer is just doing his job, using all the tools available

to defend his client which includes trying to get a more 'friendly' venue, etc. The judge was wise to to not even touch this and to have another judge make the decision as to the request for recusal. If Earle has the hard evidence, it won't matter in the end re the judge, it may matter if they are able to get a change of venue though, imo.

[bridgit]

28. oh i didn't say he wasn't sly making the judge respond with a little...

tick list about the purchase of democratic t-shirts; delay is already on top = another 'mission accomplished', and we wonder how they do it :shrug: wonder no more

[Spazito]

35. It's not sly, it is simply using everything they can to try and get their

client off, that's their job. No one is saying you have to like it but that is the system. Depending on who's side one is on, either the prosecutor is slimy or the defense lawyer is. It is up to the government to prove their case regardless of whatever slimy legal tactics the defense employs.

I would disagree with you that delay is on top, quite the reverse, the charges are very serious and that has NOT changed, he will still be in court on those changes, that, too has NOT changed. The core of the case has not changed.

[bridgit]

36. down here in america, our courts are positively clogged...

while searching for matters to be resolved 'beyond a reasonable doubt', not sure if you followed the o.j., jackson, or simi valley police officers trial, but it is clear that even an indicted ham sandwich can in fact get off with the right jury & the timely application technique

[Spazito]

38. Your assumption that a smart defense lawyer and the make up of

the jury is just an 'American' problem is inaccurate. Those conditions occur elsewhere as well. My point is simply to focus on the antics of the defense is to buy into their spin and therefore lose focus on the essence of the case itself.

Defense lawyers are charged to do the best they can to defend their clients, using all LEGAL means to do so. They may be seen as slimy by some or many but the onus to prove the case is on the government through the prosecutor regardless of what 'slimy' methods the defense may use.

[bridgit]

44. but my friend, it is not an "assumption" that tom delay IS our problem...

he is our america problem & his access to the very civility he, in little other instance observes; will very likely save him:

God Bless America :patriot:

[Spazito]

50. Ahh, I see, even though the U. S political landscape

very much affects others, you feel only Americans may comment and clarify the facts of the legal system in the US concerning an American politician who's actions have led to an administration that is causing havoc around the world. Interesting, very interesting, thanks for your response, it is enlightening, to say the least.

I am glad the owners and most members of this site welcome opinions and members from around the world and treat us with respect and welcome us. It is much appreciated!

[bridgit]

52. you're spoiling for a fight that is not there...

my point is clear & we do, here, live directly beneath a host of foibles foisted upon us which is to suggest that we do indeed live in close quarter with these...people; this cabal of delay, rumsfeld, cheney, the boy king ceasar & others. it is our mess to clean up. a distant relation to it may be preferred, but certain of us do not enjoy that position.

many foreign countries do not recognize various statutes that we have instituted. that's fine. the world is round. we know that. many others clamor to be here having experienced whatever their legal systems have wrought and found them wanting therefore...

God Bless America :patriot:

i have brought cases into these courts, friend, and prevailed. but i would not recommend the experience as a lark. while stating here quite clearly that perhaps no one of late understands this passage so completely:

I am glad the owners and most members of this site welcome opinions and members from around the world and treat us with respect and welcome us. It is much appreciated!

it is your assumption that you are not respected by me simply because i have an opinion.

[Spazito]

54. Actually, many of us know a fair amount about the US, it's various

statutes, it's Constitution, it's founders, the Federalist Papers, etc. It's unfortunate that some do not realize our education system actually covers the above as well as those of other countries while covering our own. We also learn of various legal systems, their foundations and their practices, ie, the Grand Jury process.

My point on appreciation was in response to your pointed inference that opinions of those not American patriots, :patriot: , by virtue of birth need not 'opine' on the Delay situation and felt the need to be appreciative of those who feel otherwise.

(Feel no need to wave my flag in defense of my position, must be something in the water I drink, lol.)

[bridgit]

55. bwahaha, we agree over more than we disagree, still my point...

is that "we" have to live with this ass, delay, still swaggering about our political landscape on a daily basis; i for one, cannot wait of his personalized form of comeuppance by whatever means if not by way of american jurisprudence...

God Bless...Reason (i suppose) From Wherever It Is To Be Found :patriot:

still, so as to address your mention, i may not per se be found expressing opinions, so as to say, with respect to government health insurance, or assurance-maladie, but to suggest that we should try it perhaps, in that i have no direct experience with it :shrug: beyond what seems reasonable to the eye.

peace ~

[Spazito]

56. LOL!

We do, indeed, agree on more than we disagree, Delay is scum as is the bush admin and they are being hoisted on their own petards as we post. Merci beaucoup Monsieur Fitzgerald et Monsieur Earle!

[bridgit]

58. too true = Monsieur Fitzgerald, is expanding his scope as we type...

to include a review of matters as the bush admin represented them before the war with all that "robot planes in 45min" gobbledygook = GOOD GRIEF CHARLIE BROWN!! have we ever been waiting for that one. my hope is that the net effect will be to establish articles of impeachment for the lot of them....real ones this time :thumbsup:
:rofl:

[librechik]

26. well, they don't have a good defense, so start smearing!

it's the republican Way

[bridgit]

47. yup...

[Norquist Nemesis]

27. Can't wait for jury selection with this trial

If they're going to try and get the judge recused for being a Democrat and supporting Democratic organizations, are they also going to dismiss any juror who is a registered Democrat and voted for Gore and/or Kerry?

[bridgit]

30. a jury of delay's peers will let him skip out of town without a slap...

on the wrist no doubt, if posters in this thread are in support of these tactics then surrender to a future without dems, dems will be far too busy defending just why it is heinz57 buys tomatoes from france

[kurth]

32. Jury will be heavily Democratic in Travis County

Austin, being a well-known liberal stronghold, does have many Republicans, but most criminal trial juries have been heavily Democratic, with a fairly good representation of women and minorities.

It will be interesting to see how DeGuerin does his voir dire and manages his peremptory challenges (he will be allowed six among 24 names toward a 12-person panel).

[Pirate Smile]

41. Delay's attorney said they would like to get the case transferred to

Fort Worth.

[bluedawg12]

29. Legal manuevering, he has to try anything and everything

but, as DU'ers have sniffed out with-in minutes of DeCockroaches appearance in court- the atty. is a Dem. too! yee-haw.

[bridgit]

31. again, delay's lawyer is 'a dem' so therefore he is innocent?

in the satyricon of petronius he refers to a profession in the law as being an endeavor that even hell cannot tear from a man...but a $3 bill laid by tom delay into the wallet of a texas dem lawyer? it would seem that is another matter altogether

[bluedawg12]

51. Bridget :Lawyer's must be able to debate both sides of a case

that his attorney is a sometime dem contributor doesn't make Delouse innocent and the fact that the judge is a Dem donor doesn't make him biased....it just makes the case interesting...but I like the petronius reference.

There is a lot to be learned by watching lawyers in regards to debate and seeing both sides of an issue- that allows a better argument when it comes to defending ones own position- you can anticipate your opponent.

[bridgit]

53. that sounds right to me...

:hi:

[madrchsod]

33. bad idea attacking the judge

because of his politics. this won`t get them another judge because there is no conflict between the judge and any of the parties involved. getting a judge change because of party affiliation is impossible.. but this is texas, where anything is possible in their criminal justice system

[bridgit]

49. i agree...

[bridgit]

34. now there you see, delay says he has finally had an opportunity...

to go before a court "and refute" politically based charges, his dem lawyer did no such thing, and now the manipulation of the message takes shape in earnest while we have been trying to lend him excuses as to why his lawyer was allowed to obfuscate the matter with smoke & mirrors...that is the republican way, and we are not yet joined their battle tactic

[Ganja Ninja]

39. He would prefer a court that's rigged like the Supreme Court.

Wouldn't we all when were faced with jail time.

[tlsmith1963]

43. Don't Waste Any Time, Do They?

Yeah, just start smearing people for ties to moveon.org right away. Everything's political with these jerks. Delay needs to take his punishment like an adult, but instead his side acts like 5 year old vindictive brats. So typical.

Tammy

[bridgit]

45. yup, do what comes natural i s'pose, huh...