Wolfie - according to Fitzgerald "a crime wasn't committed"

[johnaries]

Watching the Late Edition replay while waiting for the Titans game, and Wolfie and Repukes were saying that since Fitzgerald didn't indict for the leak itself that he found a "crime wasn't committed".

We need to stop that "talking point".

Here's my email to him:
Regarding the CIA leak case: I heard Wolf and others claim that Fitzgerald found that "a crime had not been committed." That is not what Fitzgerald said. A crime had been committed, and Fitzgerald went on to describe just how serious describe the breach of National Security was. He also said that in any case, the prosecutor must decide if a case could be prosecuted (that is, is there evidence to convict) and if a case should be prosecuted (intent). Mr. Fitzgerald said that Libby's alleged obstruction kept him from making those determinations.
He also went on to discuss "being convicted under the wrong statute", and stated that conviction of the serious crime of obstruction "vindicates" the investigation into the underlying crime, even if there is no conviction for the underlying crime.
Therefore, let's be clear, a crime was committed. The investigation was vindicated, not the actions of those breached National Security.

[fooj]

1. Hold these bastards accountable. Period.

Go Raiders!!!

Peace.

[johnaries]

17. Wanna make a side bet - on who makes the MOST mistakes?

I think this is gonna be a game of the young inexperienced rookies against the old farts. Brother, looks like neither of us has much hope for the play-offs.

Should be an interesting game, though!

[fooj]

18. I love the Raiders but I'd have to bet against them re: miscues!!!

We have entirely too many of them. We'll see what today brings! We need a WIN!!! Just win, baby!

Peace.

[TomClash]

2. He's Mossad

What do you expect?

[aquart]

16. Excuse me?

Please clarify THIS talking point. And source it.

[TomClash]

24. No

I stand by my statement.

[CatWoman]

3. Al Haig!!!!!!

I used to have such a crush on him :D

[Trajan]

8. Him ? ...

You mean Alexander "As of now, I am in control here in the White House" Haig ? ...

You da bomb ....

[CatWoman]

10. I just adore those "take charge" kinda guys

:D

[Trajan]

19. Chuckles ....

Say no more, hun .....

And I MEAN IT ! ....

~waggles~ .....

[Roland99]

25. AH HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!

[pdxmom]

4. His guests, for the most part, have all been nutballs. n/t

[malaise]

5. Are you watching Haig

:puke: :puke:

[CatWoman]

I used to love that guy

but today I want to punch him in the mouth.

Where the fuck has he been? He's still claiming Plame wasn't a covert agent.

[LizW]

7. Oh, my god. He's lying!

What an unbelievable scumbag! She wasn't covert? This guy is insane.

[johnaries]

14. "I have evidence he referred to her as "CIA girl"

Wolf "...prior to Novak's article?"
Haig (stumble mumble)"all I know this is a politically charged...(bullshit, bullshit avoiding answer to direct question)"

Fitzgerald's indictment stated that she WAS covert! It stated none of her family, friends, etc knew she was CIA, and that Libby et. al. KNEW she was in the Operative wing and not the Analyst wing.

WHAT BULLSHIT!
:nuke:

[mrdmk]

6. I am really glad I do not watch LMSM, this gives, 'Boob Tube'

a whole new meaning!

[malaise]

13. That was unbelievable

but when they have to dig out all these old scum bags, they're in deep trouble.

[unblock]

9. ask him if a crime was committed in monicagate

not that rank hypocrisy bothers banana republicans at all....

[mrdmk]

20. That will put things in prospective really quickly

But do not hold your breath, the LMSM will never do that!

[Windy]

11. Thank you. We need to get democrats on tv pushing this truth!

This fabrication was all over the talk shows tomorrow. Unfortunately, they probably got a lot of audience since this is the first weekend after the indictment. The administration is breathing a collective sigh of relief... sad.

Did anyone catch the Russert was telephoned by Libby because Libby didn't like something he saw on MSNBC? What? Why in the hell is the administration contacting the media to express their displeasure?
Sure lends support to the FACT that the administration controls what the populus sees and hears now doesn't it!

[Gregorian]

12. What we know and what we can prove are two different things.

Two crimes can make what we can prove turn into something we can not prove. These criminals shredded their evidence long ago. They designed this crime even longer ago, to be faultless. But we also landed a man on the moon. And I also believe there is a god.

I'm not sure I should even be posting today. I'm sick. And as such, fairly incoherent. But that's not unusual.

Plame was outed- Fact.
An illegal war was started- Fact.

A crime was committed, we have to battle monsters uphill and blindfolded to win the fight of justice. But the truth is infinitely sharp.

Ok, you're all sick of me. I'll go take my head of concrete and watch from the sidelines.

[KoKo]

22. You stated it very well.....

hope you will feel better soon. :hug:

"Plame was outed- Fact."
"An illegal war was started- Fact."

The Pundits don't want to get into that "WAR" do they. So much easier to keep repeating: "A Crime Wasn't Committed, A Crime Wasn't Committed." After awhile one stops looking for the crime because they can't remember anything but the mantra...over and over and over.

[Igel]

15. He was very careful, Fitzgerald.

Few others have been.

"That's the way this investigation was conducted. It was known that a CIA officer's identity was blown, it was known that there was a leak. We needed to figure out how that happened, who did it, why, whether a crime was committed, whether we could prove it, whether we should prove it."

Every time Fitzgerald says 'crime' he either sticks to the charges--he's allowed to talk about crimes alleged in the indictment and therefore presumed by the prosecution to have occurred.

He talks about national security, and obstruction of justice as impeding the investigation. Serious and important matters. But he's careful to hedge.

Fitzgerald not say no crime had been committed in the leak. He also didn't say that the leak constituted the committing of a crime, and he decidedly wants to be able to make that judgement.

Careful with his words, that one.

[countingbluecars]

21. At one point during Friday's

news conference, Fitzgerald actually said the words, "We have not charged him with a crime." He said this in the middle of a long explanation about the Espionage Act in relation to England's Official Secrets Act. I winced when I heard it just because I knew that those words would be taken out of context like this.

[SharonRB]

23. Thank you -- This is exactly what I've been saying

He didn't say the leak hadn't happened, only that he couldn't get to the information to allow him to indict on it because of the lying and obstruction of justice. Safire made the same mistake on MTP.