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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-03 04:20 PM
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Poll question: What's The Hardest Drug You've Ever Done?
Edited on Mon Oct-06-03 04:32 PM by Magic Rat
You...baaaad, baaaaad, people you.

:)
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Susang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-03 04:21 PM
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1. What about LSD?
You left out an entire generation! :-)

BTW, that's the hardest I've done.
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-03 04:22 PM
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2. what's the diff. betw. 'rooms and LSD?
just wondering....
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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-03 04:24 PM
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3. A lot!
LSD is much inorganic, while the mushrooms are natural, but still toxic. It's always been my impression that mushrooms are less harsh, though I could be wrong from a physiological perspective.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-03 06:50 PM
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31. About 4-6 Hours
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-03 04:31 PM
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13. oh crap
I KNEW I forgot something....damn pot.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-03 05:04 PM
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19. I think Heroin is harder than LSD
And I've done both (but not at the same time), so I know.

You will respect my authoritayh!
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Susang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-03 11:35 PM
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54. I didn't say LSD was harder than heroin
At least I don't think I did. Who can tell with all these drugs floating around here? :silly:

BTW, I do respect your authoritayh, since I've never tried heroin. Always had a huge fear of needles, so it wasn't even an option for me back in the days when I might have actually considered it. Same with cocaine, I hate anything nasal like sprays or drops, and certainly not powder! I would only try things that could be smoked, eaten or drunk.
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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-03 06:36 PM
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27. Loved that "Orange Sunshine"...
Only did it once. What a nice little trip! That was 30 years ago and I still don't "regret" it....
Scratch my politcal ambitions....

Coke? What an expensive way to get your nose numb.
Speed? no effect.
Pot? Made me puke up "everything but my nuts"...
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Fozzledick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-03 09:18 PM
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43. It's not a 'hard' drug
It's more of a 'sqwuishy'.
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VermontDem2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-03 04:25 PM
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4. I could answer yes
Edited on Mon Oct-06-03 04:25 PM by VermontDem2004
in 6 out of the 10 options, but I only regulary use 1, the other drugs I just 'experimented' with.
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-03 04:27 PM
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7. Gosh who would have expected a Vermont Democrat to
be in on this poll? :)
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VermontDem2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-03 04:29 PM
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10. I live in Arizona
actually.
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-03 04:42 PM
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16. Me too, so then I can't mess with you I guess
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GumboYaYa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-03 05:36 PM
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21. LOL
I can beat your numbers, but I stick to one now too. It hurts too much to do the others.
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zauberflote Donating Member (179 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-03 04:26 PM
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5. Where is LSD and is crack worse than heroin?
Alas, I'm getting old.
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-03 08:48 PM
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38. It is said that crack is the most addictive second only to ICE....
smokeable crank....
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Nevernose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-03 09:09 PM
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40. That was a fairly new study
And it also suggested that crystal meth has more long-term addiction, i.e. it takes longer to get hooked, but once you are, you're screwed.

Crack on the other hand leaves people craving more fifteen minutes after they try it.

(there's no such thing as "ice." There are different purities and consistantcies, but methamphetamine is methamphetamine. It's ALL smokable, btw)
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FlashHarry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-03 04:26 PM
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6. Damn. It's a good thing these polls are anonymous!
Are you sure they aren't directly linked to the Justice Department?
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bobja Donating Member (292 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-03 04:27 PM
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8. What about speed?
One of the nastiest drugs around. And believe me, I know.
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VermontDem2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-03 04:31 PM
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12. I would agree with that
It is very addicting and what it does to people's physically (outer and inner) is pretty nasty.
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-03 04:28 PM
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9. What about 'all of the above'...
..for the truly degenerate.. :evilgrin:
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Snow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-03 04:30 PM
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11. Mon, you left out peyote....
and morphine, and fentanyl *the health care providers' abuse drug of choice*, and meth, which is sweeping the trailer courts of the midwest, and PCP, for those wound-up days....maybe I'd better quit now..
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gWbush is Mabus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-03 04:36 PM
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14. what about
Oxycontin. hehehe
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scarlet_owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-03 04:38 PM
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15. Opium.
Mixed with weed. It's lovely.
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-03 04:47 PM
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17. Consistently? Hard Liquor
I've had the opportunity to try both marajuana and cocaine but never did. I was honestly afraid I might like it, way too damn much.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-03 05:01 PM
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18. Love... It's A Bitch !!!
:evilgrin:

Still addicted tho.
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-03 09:11 PM
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41. the love hormone is a member of the methadrine... you become
resistant to it over time, there is a level, when one passes it that is when she says "I love you, but I'm not 'in' love with you"... It is Mother Evolutions nasty joke that automatically ensures genetic diversity among a womans offspring...that provides a greater chance of some offspring surviving a disease of plague. relationships that are based on right brain mutual experiences, art, music, repetitious exersize...especially meditation have a MUCH higher chance of survival. there is a bonding hormone called oxytocin that binds a couple, it is produced by quiet, motionless cuddling, with maximum skin contact. there are 27 steps to human mating rituals, any 3 in a row can be skipped, but not 4. the key to bonding is to repeat at least 2 ritual actions upon meeting every time, hug-kiss-look in her/his eyes-stroke an arm/back.... my wife and i have never had an argument, we have known each other 32 years. but then we are both Buddhists..:grouphug:
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-03 09:16 PM
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42. As a Buddhist I would have to say that the Hardiest and most Addictive
is Conventional Reality, as a non participating Alcoholic and veteran of many AA meetings, I find my Buddhist meetings strangely like AA meetings for people addicted to Conventional Thought....
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-03 11:19 PM
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53. Wow.
That's impressive. Any more information on these 27 steps?
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PDittie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-03 05:06 PM
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20. You mean....like....today?
It depends on what the meaning of the word 'drug' is...
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Bombtrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-03 05:57 PM
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22. I think LSD is harder than ecstacy
I've done both, and nothing harder
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Nevernose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-03 08:43 PM
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35. Ecstacy is MUCH worse
Acid has no permanent side-effects, kills no brain cells, and is the least addictive drug in the poll.

Ecstacy does all of those things, plus runs a significant risk of overdose. Chemically, X is in essence a super-powerful version of crystal meth.
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Susang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 12:01 AM
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56. X isn't like crystal meth
It's a seratonin booster and in it's pure form is not that dangerous. The problem results in what the dealers cut it with to make more money. That's why all those X booths started appearing at raves to test whether your X actually had any mdma in it or not.

BTW, did you know that on of the MDMA studies that is most cited is now discredited because the researchers found that they were actually giving the mice crystal meth instead of MDMA? I'm not a big fan of X (I rarely do any drugs anymore) but I despise the misinformation of the War on Drugs. I always try to remember that any study that is reported on rarely means what the media says it does. They simplify and distort the findings to fit the story and care little for the actual science.
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Nevernose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 09:16 AM
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67. Methyl Dioxy Meth Amphetamine
MDMA (ecstasy) is made in almost the same fashion. In fact, the actual creation of the ecstacy is just about two steps in the process beyond creating meth, where the "precursor" (methyl-amine?) for MDMA is synthesized with methamphetamine.

Meth (essentially a synthetic cocaine) is also a pretty powerful serotonin "booster." To prove my point, try this experiment: one weekend take a tab of ecsatsy; the next weekend take a large amount of meth (7 grams, or a quarter-ounce for the metrically impaired). The meth has to be taken all at once, so either intraveinously or swallowed. You will notice a remarkable coincidince.

You're right about the rave-booths, btw, but for the wrong reasons. Dealers, in my rather extensive experience, rarely "cut" their product, except with things that have no effect at all, i.e. talcum powder. What they do is sell something else entirely different, such as meth or heroin, and []i]call it ecstasy.

NTOE ON THE ABOVE EXPERIMENT: You're better off just not trying it all, now that I think about it.
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Blue-Jay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-03 06:04 PM
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23. Snorted coke once.
I didn't like it. Plus, I felt terrible for having snorted coke. It also tasted like I had let an aspirin dissolve in my mouth. Don't want to try it again.

I'll stick with the occasional joint from now on. :D

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RebelOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-03 06:15 PM
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24. Cocaine
That was when I lived in Miami many years ago and it was easy to get and cheap to buy. Couldn't dare touch it now. My blood pressure is too high.
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SiobhanClancy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-03 06:20 PM
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25. Which is "harder",LSD or Cocaine?
I'm talking about the old orange sunshine/berkeley blood stuff from back in the day.
Not that it has any relevance for me,of course:)
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Exultant Democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-03 06:27 PM
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26. Yeah, what is the order of hardness for everything
Edited on Mon Oct-06-03 06:29 PM by LeviathanCrumbling
so I know where to vote?

edit: I may have tried the majority of what is on the poll, but when I think about it Booze is far and away the worst one.
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Nevernose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-03 08:44 PM
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36. Cocaine
It might not fuck you up as much, but it has that seductive, addictive quality to it. No one robs banks 'cuz they're coming down and need another hit, right?
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-03 11:16 PM
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52. Alright, so is E or Coke "harder," then?
I voted for coke, but I've done E too....should have thought before I did that.
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Raenelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-03 06:41 PM
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28. Back in the days (before crack), I did everything
but nothing kicked my ass or distorted my personality like alcohol did.
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GOPisEvil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-03 06:43 PM
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29. Where's "speed"?
I did that exactly once. Unfortunately, my group of friends also decided to drink alcohol on the same night. Not pleasant.

Since then, only pot, and even then it's been years. :-)
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populistmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-03 06:45 PM
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30. Shouldn't this be hardest illegal drug?
If it's hardest drug, I'd have to say Percoset or Demerol after childbirth and when I had my wisdom teeth removed. I've smoked weed many times and did mushrooms once years and years ago, but never did I want to hit anything harder. I think alcohol is a lot harder than marijauna also and I've had that too.
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xJlM Donating Member (955 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-03 06:54 PM
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32. Everything you listed, except Extacy
I got clean in 1989, though, and I've never looked back. Alcohol is probably the biggest killer on that list, and it's legal.
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BBradley Donating Member (645 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-03 07:19 PM
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33. Hard Liqour,
It is by far, the most damaging substance on that list, far more thn heroin or cocaine.
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toddzilla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-03 08:08 PM
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34. percocet..
if i could take a few of those every couple hours.. i wouldn't care who ran the country.. LOL
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elcondor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-03 08:47 PM
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37. Nyquil, baby
Seriously, I've never even tried anything (even alcohol). I don't feel any less of a person for not--but if you feel the need, as long as you're not harming anyone else! (Or doing it in access.) (In other words, I don't get preachy about it, I just don't want anyone, even the user, to get hurt.)
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-03 08:55 PM
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39. No posts for Wine? White Wine/White Zinfandel/Merlot? What? Nothing?
That's my hardest drug......Well, I'm just a little "angel." You guys scare me!
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Kat45 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-03 09:52 PM
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44. Hash
No biggie.
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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-03 10:11 PM
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45. Actually I did Rush's drug of choice, Oxycoton.
But it was prescribed to me after hernia surgery.
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kixot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-03 10:17 PM
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46. Is LSD harder than crack or heroin?
I'm confused.
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pfitz59 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-03 10:26 PM
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47. Mescaline. Peyote. 'Shrooms. Opium. Whatever.......
Plentitude of pot. Fortified beer. Freebase. LSD. Hey, DEA lurker, any more I should mention? Biggest rush was flying a jet upside-down over Drake Passage in US Virgin Islands. Currently clean and sober! Oh yes, Paxcil makes for mind-blowing orgasms!
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pfitz59 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-03 10:29 PM
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48. Best "high" adventure.....
Hiking-out trailing my hair in the water, butt-naked, while sailing a Laser over the blue Caribbean in a tropical downpour off the coast of Negril Jamaica.
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-03 10:38 PM
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50. "Sunshine" at Machu Pichu
was fun for me-
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-03 10:32 PM
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49. where is all of the above?
BTW i'm counting MDA as ectasy
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-03 10:44 PM
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51. Nothing illegal, but I have been high.
Before I've had my heart surgeries, they give Benadryl and Valium.

No worries . . .

I've also been on Oxycontin, a la Rush, but I avoided taking it out of fear of addiction; it worked and I'm clean.
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-03 11:47 PM
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55. Lysol!
No, it'd have to be good old Hash
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FDRrocks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 12:01 AM
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57. X
though I am not sure if LSD is stronger than X, really. I think LSD did more damage to me, overall.

I've smoked Marijuna laced with PCP and Coke (Chronic), but I don't really consider that 'doing'.
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 12:15 AM
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58. so which is "harder?" . . .
LSD or coke? . . . inquiring minds want to know . . .
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FDRrocks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 01:47 AM
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60. Coke, I would say.
If you could get seriously addicted to a hallucinogen (physically, I suppose), then I would say LSD is worse, due to the severe after-effects.
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DoNotRefill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 01:46 AM
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59. Opium/Morphine....
LOVE them poppies!!!! :)
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 02:25 AM
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61. Definition of "Hard Drugs"
I studied this in college while avoiding taking the lab. :-)

These aren't my definitions, they were working definitions that developed in the late 1950s. The term "Hard Drugs" was then plucked for use in the War On (Some) Drugs.

(Caveat: This is based on memory, but I'm pretty sure it's all correct, or at least quite close. If you need actual, real, scientifically-accurate information, you should consult the current literature and/or public health scientists.)

Hard drugs: Addictive
In order of "hardness": nicotine, ethyl alcohol, barbiturates, opiates/opioids, cocaine, amphetamine(s), cathinone derivatives (Qat, etc.), benzodiazepines e.g. Xanax, dissociative anesthetics (ketamine etc.) NOTE this loose ranking is idealized and not subject to factors involved in the illicit drug trade.

Soft Drugs: Non-Addictive
LSD and other lysergates, marijuana, psilocybin and other tryptamine derivatives, mescaline and other substituted phenalkylamines (includes MDMA or "Ecstasy"), Ayahuasca (beta-carbolines), salvinorin and similar phytoalcohols.

Non-Addictive but Dangerous
Inhalation drugs: toluene, xylene (both in "airplane glue"), aerosolized paint, electronic-dusting spray (toxic anesthetic freon derivatives)

IMPORTANT NOTE!
There is no such thing as a "safe" intoxicant!

Did I miss anything?

--bkl
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 02:55 AM
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64. What about the relative side effects and dangers thereof
and where does STP fit in that list of hallucinogens?
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maveric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 02:31 AM
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62. You forgot the "hardest" and most dangerous. Methamphetamine.
It messes you up worse than heroin and is harder to kick.
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Piperay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 02:49 AM
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63. Peyote not on the list
NOT that I am saying anything regarding it, hmmmmmmm. :shrug:
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Nevernose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 09:17 AM
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68. That's the only one I HAVEN'T tried
Any good, btw?
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trigz Donating Member (679 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 03:41 AM
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65. Student life in Britain...
...was full of toxic surprises, to say the least. Now that I'm grown up I realise it wasn't the most clever thing I've ever done. Still enjoy the odd whiff of a spliff though, mind.
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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 03:52 AM
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66. Hello where's the Mescaline Mr Morrison would be so disappointed
No not pcp real Mescal wow it was just this side of Heaven...
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MissMillie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 09:22 AM
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69. Is marijuana harder than liquor????
Granted, I know it's illegal and liquor isn't, but does that make it harder?
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Fozzledick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 09:49 AM
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70. No, 'hard' means physically addictive
Alchohol is addictive, marijuana isn't.

AFAIK, the most addictive drugs are sedative-hypnotics, such as methaqualone (qualudes), with tranquilizers and barbiturates second and third.

I find it interesting that, according to medical records made public, the whole time the Reagans were in the White House Nancy was prescribed (and presumably consumming) one sedative-hypnotic and one tranquilizer at all times. The whole time she was telling the country to "just say no" she was stoned out of her mind on the most addictive drugs available!:crazy:
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