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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-05 04:58 PM
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New candy coated in blasphemy?
http://www.insidebayarea.com/oaklandtribune/news/ci_2623488

A symbol of Christianity that sits atop church steeples, dangles from necks and hangs on walls is now ending up in the mouths of the faithful, over the objections of some religious officials.
A mass-produced chocolate cross is being sold this Easter by Russell Stover Candies Inc. in about 5,000 stores nationwide, which experts say is apparently a first for a major American company.


However, not all Christians are happy about it. Chomping on a chocolate cross can be offensive to some, said Joseph McAleer, a spokesman for the Roman Catholic diocese in Bridgeport, Conn.

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Zenlitened Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-05 05:00 PM
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1. Anything that offends anybody should be banned!
Edited on Mon Mar-28-05 05:29 PM by Zenlitened
No exceptions! :sarcasm:

:D

(edit to add new non-denominational sarcasm smilie)
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-05 05:02 PM
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3. I find that offensive!
Please ban yourself! ;)
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Zenlitened Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-05 05:10 PM
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9. Self-banning? Isn't that considered a sin?
:dilemma:     <-- Hey, look! My first use of the new smilies!

:woohoo:     <-- Hey, look! My second use of the...

...
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bertha katzenengel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-05 05:02 PM
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2. Eating a chocolate cross is more offensive than cannibalism?
Ever hear of transubstantiation? It's when that little wafer and sip of wine actually ARE the flesh and blood of Jesus Christ when you eat them. :scared:
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CanuckAmok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-05 05:05 PM
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5. Tom Lehrer:
First you get down on your knees,
Fiddle with your rosaries,
Bow your head with great respect,
And genuflect, genuflect, genuflect!

Do whatever steps you want, if
You have cleared them with the Pontiff.
Everybody say his own
Kyrie eleison,
Doin' the Vatican Rag.

Get in line in that processional,
Step into that small confessional,
There, the guy who's got religion'll
Tell you if your sin's original.
If it is, try playin' it safer,
Drink the wine and chew the wafer,
Two, four, six, eight,
Time to transubstantiate!

So get down upon your knees,
Fiddle with your rosaries,
Bow your head with great respect,
And genuflect, genuflect, genuflect!

Make a cross on your abdomen,
When in Rome do like a Roman,
Ave Maria,
Gee it's good to see ya,
Gettin' ecstatic an'
Sorta dramatic an'
Doin' the Vatican Rag!
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TlalocW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-05 05:10 PM
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8. Which is why my new snack cracker aimed at Catholics
will be a big hit - JeezIts!

TlalocW
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bertha katzenengel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-05 05:11 PM
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10. You'll have tough competition from mine:
I Can't Believe It's Not Jesus!

/blasphemy
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TlalocW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-05 05:24 PM
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15. Will that be a butter that we can spread on JeezIts?
If so, I have a suggestion, make it a grape jelly, and we can say it transubstantiates (sp?) into the plasma of Jesus when you eat it with the body of Jesus in the form of JeezIts.

TlalocW
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bertha katzenengel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-05 05:26 PM
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17. ew -- you win
:LOL: is that a smiley?

:bounce:
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-05 05:12 PM
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11. LOL nt
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Kat45 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-05 05:04 PM
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4. I'm Christian, and I have no problem with chocolate crosses. n/t
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-05 05:13 PM
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12. Same
There are soooooooo many other things that are worse than that.
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Book Lover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-05 05:16 PM
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13. And the article further states
that these are being developed for the Hispanic market in the US; obviously the crosses are not insensitive in that market.
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Zenlitened Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-05 05:19 PM
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14. But apparently others do have a problem with it.
Shouldn't production of chocolate crosses cease, then?
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seriousstan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-05 05:25 PM
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16. Should we discontinue everything that some others have problems with?
Here's a short list...

guns
short skirts
profanity
liberals
conservatives
fence straddlers

...shall I continue? SOMEONE has a problem with EVERYTHING.
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Zenlitened Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-05 05:28 PM
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Sorry, I should have made use of the new sarcasm smilie.
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the_spectator Donating Member (932 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-05 05:26 PM
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18. I'm not a Christian
but Russell Stover doing this chocolate cross thing I find to be so funny, because it's so laughably WRONG - what's next, "crunchy frog"? Some bright young executive's career is going to crash and burn on this one. People should not want to "eat the cross" on so many different levels.

I guess maybe a hard-core anti-"Papist" protestant could maybe groove on it to be kind of a statement like busting up Catholic religious figurines and chalices like Martin Luther on a bad day or maybe a John Knox.

But except for him, no-one should want to eat the cross.



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Zenlitened Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-05 05:32 PM
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20. Apparently, some people DO want to.
... Kansas City-based Russell Stover, the third-largest American chocolate manufacturer, said it is targeting some of the most devout Christians — Hispanic Americans.


What's patently wrong to one person may seem perfectly harmless to another, I suppose.
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the_spectator Donating Member (932 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-05 05:35 PM
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22. Yes I guess I'm just surprised and
am not knowlegeable enough about the world - you learn something new every day. Did not see the posts about the Hispanic tradition on this before I posted.
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-05 06:28 PM
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29. you've never had a chocolate frog
it's a Harry Potter item

I think they're crunchy--not real frogs of course
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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-05 05:58 PM
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26. you are? WHO KNEW..
:P :hi:
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SnowGoose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-05 05:06 PM
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6. I wonder if the crosses
are hollow, like the bunnies were.

Those who aren't christians would probably find the irony delicious!

Bada-bing!
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-05 05:08 PM
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7. Last Easter I found a pic of a chocolate Jesus
Edited on Mon Mar-28-05 05:10 PM by GoddessOfGuinness
and it wasn't from the cover of Tom Waits' album either. It was clearly manufactured for cannibalistic Christians everywhere.

The Church teaches that during the Communion segment of the Mass, the wine and bread (or host) becomes the body and blood of Christ, and is then consumed by the faithful. If people can do this every Sunday, why would anyone have a problem with chocolate crosses?
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the_spectator Donating Member (932 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-05 05:32 PM
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21. Yes but its two sepate things.
The story is you're supposed to be eating, in one way or another (if only symbolically) the body and blood of Christ - not the cross he was nailed up to.

Plus, "the Cross" is THE major symbol of Christianity, isn't it? It sits up there with pride of place in just about every church, it's what symbolizes the whole faith -- you're not supposed to sit there and destroy the cross through eating.
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-05 05:51 PM
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23. Consider hot cross buns, please
...invented by monks.
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the_spectator Donating Member (932 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-05 05:54 PM
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25. nice point, hadn't thought of that
But stll, when the cross is just a simple X where two little lines of frosting cross, rather than a free-standing structure, I guess it just doesn't seem as bad.
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KitchenWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-05 05:28 PM
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19. I think we ALL need to lighten the fuck up
If you do not like chocolate crosses, do not buy them. If enough people decide not to buy them, Russel Stover will no longer make them.
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the_spectator Donating Member (932 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-05 05:51 PM
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24. After having read the article -
The article actually never claims that this eating of the cross is an Hispanic tradition - only that Russell Stover is "targeting" Hispanic Americans with it. It will have some INGREDIENTS that are traditional for Latin American candy, but it's an entirely open question. It may still be, if not probably, that RS is going out on a limb with this one, and making something up by themselves to see how it will fly. I like this final quote in the article from the President of Russell Stover, a Mr. Ward:

"Ward said Russell Stover considered making other traditional images out of chocolate but eventually opted not to.

"A molded Jesus, for example, would not be a good call and a cross with Jesus on it wouldn't be a good idea either," Ward said.

Yep, I think a full-embodied crucifix of chocolatey goodness would have been about the worst too, Ward. You're going to need enough luck with the one you went for.
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-05 06:11 PM
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27. While I don't really care one way or the other,
the fact remains that this is just one more nauseating example of a business cashing in on a faith that discourages materialism. If it's a failed venture it will serve them right.
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SheWhoMustBeObeyed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-05 06:20 PM
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28. I like to start with the ears,
and work my way down.



What?

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