I'm devastated! Tiger Woods supported * in the last election!

[Crazy Guggenheim]

No links right now. I also heard Alex Trebek did .......

:scared: :banghead: :hurts: :puke: :cry: :cry: :cry:

[KitchenWitch]

1. :-(

x(

[Crazy Guggenheim]

3. WWWWAAAAAAA!

:cry: :cry: :cry:

[SeattleGirl]

2. Say it ain't so, Joe (um, I mean Crazy)

Really? Oh :puke:

[Crazy Guggenheim]

4. YES! WWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

:cry: :cry: :cry:

[SeattleGirl]

6. Oh, man.....

:cry: :cry: :cry:

Maybe he was just out in the sun too long on those golf courses.

[Crazy Guggenheim]

5. I CAN'T SLEEP NOW! WWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAA! I'll be back in a while!

:cry:

[KitchenWitch]

7. gods, you would think with the cuts in VA funding

and the fact that Earl Woods is a veteran, that Tiger's precious vote would have been cast against *.

[hfojvt]

8. except that Eldrick can pay for Earl's care

with the money he saved from JR's tax cuts. It is not like he is working class, voting against his own smiling self interest. Plus, maybe he voted that way just to spite Bartcop.

[KamaAina]

9. Looks like he pushed that one right all the way, Ken.

Another bogey for Tiger. He's fast slipping out of contention...

[Crazy Guggenheim]

10. WWWWWWAAAAAAAAAA! I feel bad!

:cry: :cry: :cry:

[WCGreen]

15. Was he ever connected....

[Oeditpus Rex]

11. Maybe I'm a heretic

but I never understood the hugeness of Tiger Woods. I mean, yeah, the guy swings a really mean set o' clubs — but so did guys like Nicklaus, Watson, Palmer and Player, and they didn't have the benefit of alloy clubs with heads the size of Volvos.

Yet, it seems to many people, Woods reinvented golf; it suddenly became okay to be a fan when he joined the PGA Tour.

I just don't get it. :shrug:

So, I don't really care who he supported.

[LostinVA]

19. Agree!

There have been golfers as good (or, for their time, better) than Woods... and he has never come off as a nice guy. Has tacitly supported bigotry at the Masters (where his snotty ass wouldn't have even been allowed to play not that long ago). He crossed picket lines to film commercials, too. Screw 'em.

[MildyRules]

21. As good as?

Yes; Jack is as good as. Better? No way.

[LostinVA]

48. Yes, there has.

I wrote that FOR THEIR TIME, there have been better players: the clubs, balls, training, conditioning, etc. are all way better now than they were even 20 years ago, let alone 50, 70. Thus, I'm saying there have been better golfers than Woods. Just like Roger Maris -- way better than all of these juiced up hitters "breaking" his record with steroids, better bats, balls, etc.

[Shell Beau]

24. I think it was that he brought so many kids

and others on to golf. People who would have never given a rats ass about golf were inspired by Tiger!

[Kickin_Donkey]

12. About par for the course (pun intended) ...

He's a Stanfurd Snot.

(I went to the rival blue school.)

[Crazy Guggenheim]

71. Cal?

[Kickin_Donkey]

84. Yep ...

Blue as in Democratic, and blue as in Go Bears!

[Fox Mulder]

13. For some reason...

that doesn't surprise me. :shrug:

[In_The_Wind]

14. That really bothers me!

[JI7]

16. doesn't he make a lot of money from corporations ?

does he get more money from the games he plays or from doing ads for these corporations ?

that could actually explain the support many sports figures give to Republicans.

i do remember when he refused to meet with Clinton while Clinton was in office.

[Crazy Guggenheim]

68. Oh yeah! They make HUGH amounts of $ for from produvt endorsements!!

[ashling]

17. Alex Trebeck

is a legend in his own mind.

[anarch]

61. "Not so fast, Trebek..."

"I pose a conundrum to ya, I riddle if you will...What's the difference between you and a mallard with a cold? One's a sick duck and I can't remember how it ends, but your mother's a whore!"

[Blue_Tires]

65. "I'll take "Famous Titties for $100!"

---"Not a fan of the ladies, eh, Trebek??"

[democracyindanger]

18. He went to Stanford and plays pro golf. You're surprised?

[Bullwinkle925]

20. If it's true - he probably is inspired to protect his Brazillion millions!

On the other hand - Trebek I can understand - he has that smug Repug.
look about him.

[Flammable Materials]

22. Obscenely rich men vote in their best interests. No big surprise. n/t

[Shell Beau]

23. Well, he has lots money so that would be my guess as to why he

voted that way! :shrug: Damn, I like Tiger!

[bridgit]

25. what are you kidding, the guy traipses around some of thee most...

prime, exclusive, club-members-only-real-estate america, and for that matter the world has to offer, knocking a little white ball around with $5,000 & $10,000 gold clubs & putters handed to him via endorsement giveaways & product placement in between eating free boxes of wheaties stacked to the rafters of his sumptuous, palatial mansion!!!

why the hell are you so surprised!?!? :rofl:

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

26. Where did you hear it... can't find eldrick/tiger woods on Newsmeat.com.

This is interesting though:

http://www.newsmeat.com/sports_political_donations/

Cool to see that Berman's a good guy.
Sad to see that Joe Gibbs is a Repub.
No surprise on Bobby Knight, LOL.
I like the Spurs even more now that I know Popvich is a Dem.
Yay for Franco Harris and Bob Griese!

[Crazy Guggenheim]

69. I search it myself along with another site and couldn't find anything.

I don't think he has donated yet.

[jonnyblitz]

27. I would have been more surprised if he DIDN"T support Bush nt

[Angry Girl]

28. Tiger Woods has always been a real DICK

He's a terrible snob and a horribly stingey tipper. And anybody who's got that kind of money and still undertips is an assh*le - there IS no excuse.

[grace0418]

29. How someone treats people in the service industry is a HUGE

indicator of that person's character IMHO. You want to know what a famous celebrity is really like? Ask people who have waited on him or her.

[Shell Beau]

30. I've heard just the opposite about him!!

:shrug: Maybe it varies, which still is wrong.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

31. I'd believe he did or he didn't, but some evidence would be nice.

As people who have followed him know, Tiger has VERY CAREFULLY cultivated his image, which is also very politically "neutral" like Michael Jordan so he can be the good looking, pleasant, nonoffensive megastar, popular with all, unlike a highly politicized figure like Muhammad Ali.

I'm not surprised that I can't find political donations traceable to him on Newsmeat.com, and I'd be seriously surprised that he'd let on that he supported EITHER political party, unless it was leaked by someone or "uncovered" via investigative reporting.

[Shell Beau]

32. I have none! Just rumors of him tipping somewhere.

Hearsay is all I got! Sorry!

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

33. I meant as far as supporting Repubs/Bush. Evidence of being a good tipper

or not should be available all over.

[Shell Beau]

34. Oh!! Oops! Don't know about that either!

[Angry Girl]

40. Here's some websites....

In 2001, the Screen Actors Guild (SAG) went on strike. Tiger Woods, a card-carrying SAG member, said he supported the strike. Indeed he did - until Buick offered to pay him to film a commercial...

Trivia: Lisa Hammond, a former Las Vegas cocktail waitress, once called Tiger Woods the worst-tipping celebrity she had ever encountered. "He wasn't very friendly," she recalled. "Very snobby."

http://www.anecdotage.com/index.php?aid=15116

Kobe Bryant's dad is demanding and drinks the F out of coffee..He has stayed at the hotel 3 weeks and has left not one penny tip anywhere. I waited on Will Smith and his brood at his home on Xmas day..They so loved the service ..nary a tip.. I hear Tiger Woods and Michael Jordan love to stiff too..Well I hope they enjoy all the ground glass, piss,and radioactive medical waste l'il ole me was able to slip them...

http://www.bitterwaitress.com/war_stories/articles.html?location=Los%20Angeles

"Tiger Woods was supposedly very cheap, since he doesn't carry cash."
http://www.stainedapron.com/celebs.htm

"yep it has been reported for years and I have heard from people who would know as well that the bastard either doesn't tip"
http://beautybash.net/messageboard/archive/index573.html

[Shell Beau]

43. What a shame!

[Angry Girl]

46. Don't despair. Al Gore is a bad tipper too! n/t

[Blue_Tires]

66. i had a friend of mine working as a valet

at the four seasons in Atlanta....Tiger stiffed him for a tip back in '98

[Angry Girl]

83. That just totally sucks

If you can't spread the wealth, even on a small, personal scale, you're just a creep. And the excuse of "I don't carry cash" just doesn't fly....

[Zomby Woof]

35. He is from Orange County

So I am not surprised. I remember him dissing Clinton too.

You should have heard the rant I delivered about Orange County when Nini and I drove through it on the way back from San Diego yesterday. She laughed so hard she hit me. :P

And I see that Pay-rod of the Yankees is a 100% repuke. It cracks me up when Yankee fans screeched about Curt Schilling, when it seems the plank in their own eye didn't merit removing when they bitched about the splinter in someone else's. :eyes:

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

38. Interesting to see that Pam Shriver contributes more Dem than Repub, at

least according to Newsmeat. She's always been aligned with the Repubs in the past, spoke at 92 RNC. Wonder if shrubco has been a "wakeup" call.

Pleasantly surprised to see that Joe Theisman contributes Dem. Would've figured him for a Repub all the way. Thanks Joe!
http://www.newsmeat.com/sports_political_donations/

[Flaxbee]

36. Completely unrelated, but who knew Leona Helmsley was dem?

I checked out newsmax billionaire donation site and she gave 100% to Dems. Not much, mind you ($2000) but still....

[LynneSin]

37. I'm going to say something that I hope doesn't start a flame war

It seems that more and more I'm finding African-American sports stars are going down the path of neo-conservativism just like Tiger Woods has. I know in Pennsylvania they're trying to get former Pittsburgh Steeler & Hall-of-Famer Lynn Swann to run against Ed Rendell. I've also read about many famous African-American baseball & football players also jumping on the Bush bandwagon.

The funny thing is, you look at African-Americans in both acting & music industry and you don't see the Bush support - just seems to have something to do with sports. I'm not sure why, but I find it disappointing

[Zomby Woof]

41. Jock-dom transcends race

In the cases you speak of, they are jocks first, African-Americans second. Jocks subscribe to the macho culture of sports, and its unhealthy sense of self-importance.

Also consider the heavy culture of entitlement with most jocks - the way they are treated like royalty in high school and college, that they are above the rules. Thinking you are above the rules - how Republican is that? Add to that the hefty salaries, which they selfishly don't want taxed AT ALL, and you have a recipe for vile GOP politics.

I am glad to see exceptions. George Foreman was one of the best boxers of all time, and he donates 100% Democratic. Franco Harris leans Democratic, and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar is 100% Democratic.

But most of them are greedy repuke JOCKS. I remember the jocks at my high school, and :puke:

[LynneSin]

55. But Actors and Rap Stars make tons of money but

you'd be hard press to find a Bush support amongst any of them.

So why does an African-American sports start think Bush is the greatest and yet African American superstars in both the music & acting professions can't stand the guy.

[miss_kitty]

60. And you have just described

why I don't watch and really can't abide pro sports anymore. Even the ones I used to love (baseball and basketball).

[Zomby Woof]

64. I am always in conflict with myself on this

I still enjoy baseball and basketball - and I know the good people in both are few and far between - so I compartmentalize the aspects I enjoy, such as the skills and strategies, from the parts I don't which I outlined above.

Sometimes the effort isn't worth it. But old habits can die hard. I figure as long as I avoid passivity and uncritical thought when watching, I can rationalize the conflict I feel about enjoying sports to some degree, and just dwell on the aspects usually worthy of attention.

I will always question if it is worth the effort, even as one day I may give up completely.

[cssmall]

67. I was a jock in high school, in fact, it went beyond that as well.

But, I am a leftist. I don't think that's what it is. There's something more there than machoness and I believe it has to do with the difference in education and freedom of thought a "jock" receives. Read Jocks and Burnouts by Penelope Eckert, it'll show you a distinction.

[deadparrot]

45. I think sports, especially football and baseball,

open themselves up to religious nuts. Golf, too; it fits in with the "country club" stereotype. Generally, with those sports, you run into a lot of people who are more concerned with "not lettin' the homos get married" than with making sure anyone who needs a doctor has access to one.

I'm a Cardinals fan, and we have "Christian family day" at the ballpark every season, and in recent years, we've had a large contingent of players, both black and white, who are borderline preachy Christian.

And though I'm not a huge Rams fan, I can hold up Kurt Warner as a football example. He's white, of course, but his born-again proselytizing in the locker room was the reason we ultimately shipped him off to New York.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

49. umm 2 reason..hegemonic masculinity and tonnes of cash

will make you a bush supporter

[Presidentcokedupfratboy]

39. Many golfers and other pro athletes

Are conservative idiots. I would have been surprised if Tiger had supported Kerry.

[UTUSN]

42. He Refused to Meet CLINTON, LIMBOsevic Has Met Him, Bartcop Hates Him

Adds up.

[JVS]

44. Isn't Trebek Canadian. Or has he become a US citizen?

[terrya]

50. He's an American citizen

[JVS]

52. That sucks

We should have deported him years ago

[terrya]

47. Yet another reason to despise Tiger Woods

A phony, smarmy, asshole.

And now a fucking Republican.

Of course.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

51. We haven't seen proof of this yet... I'm withholding "judgement"

[Deja Q]

53. The walking nike commercial supported *? Why should that shock anyone?

[Angry Girl]

58. Oh, yeah! I totally forgot about his Nike stuff...

Maybe I need to watch more TV!

[alarcojon]

85. No shit!

In 2000, Nike , of Beaverton, Ore., agreed to a multi-year deal with Woods worth a reported $105 million, extending an earlier multi-million dollar deal which originated in 1996, the year the then 21-year-old Woods went pro.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4554944

[Rabrrrrrr]

54. I'm more offended that he's a Nike shill

[Angry Girl]

57. Excellent point!!!! Thanks for remembering that!

[ghostsofgiants]

80. Ditto

It's kind of amusing, people get so caught up in the partisan bullshit that they forget to look at the larger issues.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

56. So, since it appears that DU is piling on Tiger Woods, and there's no link

can you tell us where you heard or read this?

[underpants]

63. Yeah and I don't really care

It would be great if he was NOT a Repub but it isn't (wouldn't be) at all surprising that he is.

No big deal.

[Crazy Guggenheim]

70. I Googled it. I'll give you the links later.

[Crazy Guggenheim]

73. MM, here's a Google link.

http://www.google.com/search?q=%22tiger+woods%22+%2Bsupporter+%2Bbush+%2Bendorsed&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&safe=off&start=10&sa=N

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

81. I don't see where your searched links support your contention.

Those are the links that come up with the search terms "tiger woods" supporter bush endorsed,

but I don't see one that says Woods supported Bush.

You didn't answer my question. If your "information" is from these Google links I don't see where you could possibly have come to that conclusion, unless you can link a single one of those articles that says what your thread title does.

I'm presuming you heard it hearsay from somewhere else, if so, care to say where?

Don't get me wrong. It wouldn't surprise me either way, if he did, or if he didn't. I'd be quite surprised if he voluntarily let information out either way about this, as he looks to cultivate an extremely neutral public persona to maximize popularity and endorsement potential.

I just don't think it's fair at all to tar someone with the Republican brush without any evidence whatsoever, that I can see. The fact that he's fabulously wealthy is no evidence at all. So is George Clooney.

[Crazy Guggenheim]

87. MM, here's the link. Look under sports figures.

On Edit:

It won't link correctly. Go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page

Then search for Republican +celebrities. I think that might do it.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

90. I see James Woods, but not Tiger Woods. You will have to provide

better search info. Can you cut a sentence or paragraph out of your source and include it, since you can't provide a link?

Also, we've had posts all the time from wikipedia or other web sites where it's just a list of supposed Repub celebrities, and there were obvious mistakes there. Anybody can put stuff in Wikipedia, so unless it references something else, I personally wouldn't trust it.

Is that the info that prompted you to start this thread????

[Crazy Guggenheim]

92. I know about the bad info, as it listed Rosanne too. However, .....

Here is a snip I have gotten from:

www.law.tulane.edu/tuexp/studentorg/ mootcourt/2005Briefs/Team%20FF.pdf

It's a law suit against "Sleazy" Trippi from Woods.

Snip
Another problem with the shirt was that the message would not have been approved by Woods because he supported President Bush in the election, rather than Kerry.
Snip


One other way to find this is:

http://www.google.com/search?q=%22tiger+woods%22+%2Bendorsed+%2Bpolitics+%2BTrippi+%2Bbush+%2B%22supreme+court%22&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&safe=off&start=10&sa=N

Got to the second page and look at "The Supreme Court". Click on the HTML version!

[dogfacedboy]

59. Country Club Mentality. n/t

[Zomby Woof]

62. The arrogance of his father is astounding

http://www.usafricaonline.com/chido.mandelawoods.html

He said meeting Mandela was the only time time Tiger met his equal! :puke:

I consider the evidence strongly circumstantial that the Woods clan, including Tiger, is Republican. They are from the heart of GOP country - Orange County, CA. Earl Woods was a Green Beret (not known to be liberal Dems), and perhaps most damnably, was when Tiger shunned visiting the White House after winning his first Masters, and shunned a congratulatory call from President Clinton.

Put the pieces together, folks: Nike, his treatment of working people, his lack of concern for the racist history of Augusta - Tiger Woods may or may not vote at all for all we know, but his snotty little heart lies in sympathy with the Republican party in deed, if not word.

[Oeditpus Rex]

72. Besides 'nouveau riche' and 'country club' attitudes

the powers-that-be in U.S. professional sports discourage liberal thought, at least for public consumption. This is why we get stuff like Curt Schilling in — was it Parade magazine? — talking about being "born again" and "family values" and praising * and supporting the war. But when did you ever see... gawd, I can't even think of a contemporary athlete who's liberal. Guess that indicates something.

[Catherine Vincent]

74. That doesn't surprise me.

I didn't really care for Woods ever since he declared that he isn't 100% African American which is true...he's not. But did he have to be so damn proud of it? Screw him.

[Crazy Guggenheim]

75. He's not 100%. That's one thing I liked about him. He is "every man"!

[Catherine Vincent]

78. I edited my original post.

Thanks.

[bridgit]

79. not every man does this...

Lawmaker State Amount Party

Senator Thad Cochran MS $50,026 - Republican
Senator Judd Gregg NH $44,387 - Republican
Senator Saxby Chambliss GA $35,536 - Republican
Senator Gordon Smith OR $27,532 - Republican
Representative Roger Wicker MS $21,455 - Republican
Representative Mike Castle DE $19,229 - Republican
Senator Lindsey Graham SC $17,729 - Republican
Representative Mike Oxley OH $13,180 - Republican
Representative Ron Lewis KY $11,085 - Republican
Representative Gene Green TX $10,854 - Democratic

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000103&sid=ag8L8eO4fsiE&refer=us

nor does every man play so superbly as tiger woods so go figure B-)

[Crazy Guggenheim]

88. Well ....... Uh ..... you know what I mean.

[Maine Mary]

76. Dontch hate finding out that people you admire

are Repubs? :cry: Bummer

[Crazy Guggenheim]

77. I'm still crying ......

:cry: :cry:

[Oeditpus Rex]

82. I don't remember ever considering

the political stance of someone I admired — outside the political arena, obviously. What's hard, especially for a kid, is finding out your sports or other pop-culture heroes are assholes. One of my first "awakenings" was when I found out Mickey Mantle was a drunk. :cry:

[PittPoliSci]

86. i couldn't find anything on opensecrets.

so at least he didn't give * his money.

[Crazy Guggenheim]

89. He hasn't donated yet to anyone yet.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

91. What information actually prompted you to post this thread?

Did someone who works in the golf or sports world tell you something?
Did you read something somewhere? Did a friend mention a rumor?

Most of us have passed bad information at one point or another, it's no biggie if you did, "oh a friend told me, etc.". But right now appears to me that you've posted this thread, with many DUers jumping right in eagerly ("well he's an asshole anyway so I don't care whether he IS a Repub or not"), based on no foundation that I can tell.

If someone posted a thread that Chelsea Clinton was a Bush supporter without even saying anything about where they'd heard it, I think people here would be pretty mad. I guess it's okay because it's some rich guy that most people presume is a Repub anyway.

The web stuff you've posted has been all smoke. Even if you can't get a working link, can you at least supply a quote, like a paragraph from some article? :shrug:

[Crazy Guggenheim]

93. I responded to your sub-thread with quote.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

94. I read the link. DUDE! It's a Tulane Law School Student Exercise!

A Moot Court! There is no Supreme Court case of Tiger Woods vs. Joe Trippi!

Read this part of the URL:

"http://law.tulane.edu/tuexp/studentorg/mootcourt/2005Briefs"

Get it? So you can't treat the statements in this "document" as fact!

[Crazy Guggenheim]

95. There are other sources too. I'll try to find them.

:rofl: :blush: :blush: :blush: :blush:

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

96. It's no hard feelings, CG. I just don't think it's fair to label people on

this board or any other without reasonable info. I have no dog in this fight.

I like Woods as a golfer. I'd definitely prefer it if he used his megastar status to at least give a nod to Dem or liberal causes. He has apparently taken the Michael Jordan route of being the smiling good looking superathlete who reveals as little about his political beliefs and personal life as possible to avoid controversy that might limit popularity or endorsements.

As a guy probably worth more than 100 million, it wouldn't surprise me much if it turned out he was some kind of Repub though I'd be disappointed.

As a black man who grew up in America and experienced discrimination playing a "white" sport, it also wouldn't surprise me if it turned out he had liberal views.

I just don't think it's fair to label people without information, that's what I feel strongly about. Sorry if I've been badgering you on this thread I just don't want to let that point get lost.

[Angry Girl]

97. I still think the guy should tip - that's just f*cked up, you know?

I mean, how greedy do you have to be when you can't bestow a little generosity on those who have to work these lousy service jobs?

Hey, CG, I read you guys are having a party there!

[Crazy Guggenheim]

98. Peggy and I weren't able to meet yet ........ We'll be meeting tomorrow.

[Angry Girl]

100. Sounds like a blast! Wish we were there! :-)

It's dull here tonight. I'm recording "Surface" right now, that's about it....
:hi:

[Crazy Guggenheim]

99. I do have the info and am trying to dig it up.

[Crazy Guggenheim]

101. Well ......

"He has apparently taken the Michael Jordan route of being the smiling good looking superathlete who reveals as little about his political beliefs and personal life as possible to avoid controversy that might limit popularity or endorsements."

He's a Demo .......

http://www.newsmeat.com/sports_political_donations/Michael_Jordan.php