Locut0s
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Thu Oct-27-05 09:22 PM
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Why does there have to be so much moral absolutism out there? |
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Edited on Thu Oct-27-05 09:31 PM by Locut0s
Recently I've gotten hooked on a TV series, smallville, and was keen to go online and see what others had to say about it. So I logged into one of the more popular discussion boards for the show and stared reading posts. To my disappointment a great many of the posts were from people disappointed at sexual references in episodes, people having sex before marriage, etc etc.. many of these posts were from moral extremists who just couldn't stand to see good upright characters break the prudish morals of "good old Christian middle America".
Now granted one should probably expect this kind of thing from the audience of smallville, given the squeaky clean ultra moralistic character superman is supposed to be but it's a trend I see all over the place and one I'm getting sick of. It wold be nice to have a genuine talk about your favourite TV show without some 15 year old screaming about the immorality of such and such a character or scene and having 1/2 the people responding in agreement.
Yeah this is a strange sounding post, sorry.
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Thu Oct-27-05 09:25 PM
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1. Why do you think I go after the right wingers in Nashville? |
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Because they are a bunch of lying adultering hypocrits. Rethug Naomi Judd :puke: talks about the importance of morals and the Bible yet she had Winona out of wedlock and lied about who her real father was
It's such shit!
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Thu Oct-27-05 09:27 PM
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2. Ummm because Resistance is Futile??? |
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Thu Oct-27-05 09:29 PM
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3. It's what we were taught growing up |
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Our society draws part of heritage back to our Puritanical past. Many religious groups came to America so that they could be free to believe what they wanted to believe without fear of persecution from other religious groups. Some of those beliefs included those views about sex before marriage.
If you want to deal with people who are more tolerant about things such a sex and alcohol, go to Europe.
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Thu Oct-27-05 09:29 PM
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4. In that case, there is religous intolerance by the conservatives then. |
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Thu Oct-27-05 09:35 PM
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The problem, from a biblical standpoint, is that God gave everyone free will. By reason, that means each individual is free to decide for himself or herself what to do in the privacy of his or her life. They ignore that fundamental aspect of the Bible and cling to the part they agree with: That sex before marriage is wrong, etc. They try and pass laws or try and impose their views directly on others, yet they have totally failed to realize they are violating their very own God's will when they attempt to deprive another person of that gift of free will. (See Prohibition)
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Thu Oct-27-05 09:32 PM
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This is America ... they should learn to be more tolerant of others. No one is forcing them to live their lives one way or another - but they have no right to force their views on other people.
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Thu Oct-27-05 09:37 PM
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11. I agree with all of that, but in Mississippi... |
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I encounter the "America: Love it! Or leave it!" types. If there is one thing about America or about any country, it is that by degrees there will always be intolerance of some kind. The only question is how much intolerance is there.
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Thu Oct-27-05 09:41 PM
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12. True, but lately they've become incredibly nasty and militant. |
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Their behavior is more un-American than anything I could ever say or do.
You run into those people a lot? You have my sympathies. :hug:
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Thu Oct-27-05 09:35 PM
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I was just winning about the fact that it'd be nice once in a while to just watch or talk about something without dragging in politics,morality, or religion. It seems it's getting harder and harder to do so in north america.
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Thu Oct-27-05 09:30 PM
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5. Have you tried the "Television Without Pity" forums? |
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They have one for Smallville (and LOTS of other shows). I haven't been to the TWoP forums in a few months, but I never ran into excessive moralizing over there. :-) Here's the Smallville forum link http://forums.televisionwithoutpity.com/index.php?showforum=609here's the link to the main site http://www.televisionwithoutpity.com/
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Thu Oct-27-05 09:32 PM
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Thu Oct-27-05 09:34 PM
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8. Moral absolutism: Freud would say projection. |
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These people want to fuck their brains out. They want to do dirty, nasty things to each other...over and over and over. But they have been taught that those things are, well, dirty and nasty i.e. bad. So they repress it in themselves and want to repress it in others.
It's so dangerous for them to even think about letting that monster out (and I'm not just talking about the one in their pants) that they can't stand the tension of seeing other people do the things they REALLY want to do and not suffering for it.
Freud felt that people who become policemen are really only trying to repress their own evil by repressing it in others.
Jung basically said the same thing, but he called it the rejecting the Shadow self.
What you hate in others you fear in yourself.
(I, for one, embrace my dark side.)
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Fri Oct-28-05 12:09 AM
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And Smallville is actually pretty damn good! I liked how his heat vision kicked in (he got horny and it kicked in)...it was a hoot! Yeah, i know where you are coming from, this sort of people preach fear and doom, and fire and brimestone....its sad, but again, people will always find something to complain about...Go Superman!!!
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Fri Oct-28-05 12:28 AM
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14. Freud and Jung are widely regarded as crackpots. |
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Well unscientific anyways, but they were lovely poets, and made some astute observations IMO.
I'm certain that these people truly do wanna fuck each other's brains out, and do their very best to suppress those urges.
But I think that their real problem is that deep down they know that their perfect little world is unfounded. They're frantically trying to squash any other way of doing things, and trying to find things wrong with how anyone else operates.
Besides they have a "tribe" of shared beliefs. You see this sort of tribal hostility that stems from instinct and their concept of us and them in many societies, ESPECIALLY groups that are founded on fairy tales. "We are "good", they are "bad", we must force them to join the tribe, or they must "die", literally or metaphorically."
Assimilate or be destroyed. It's a time honored tradition of many different forms of christianity, and other religions that control people's thinking so strictly and effectively that to appreciate other ways of thought is to reject your god/people.
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Fri Oct-28-05 12:30 AM
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15. Doubt is uncomfortable |
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Its comforting to think there is a concrete set of rules to follow. Having to muddle through complex matters can leave some feeling inadequate and lost.
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Fri Oct-28-05 12:41 AM
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And if you threaten the validity of their little rules.... You must be destroyed!
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