L O S T

[graywarrior]

Episode tonight

Jughead

Desmond goes in search of a woman who could be the key to helping Faraday stop the island's erratic movements through time.

[LostinVA]

1. *POSSIBLE SPOILER*

I THINK MRS. HAWKING IS FARADAY'S MUM.

[graywarrior]

2. I believe you are correct

[ghostsofgiants]

3. I'm thinking that as well.

[yellowdogintexas]

4. so do I. nt

[MadMaddie]

6. I think so too!

[SoxFan]

5. Spoilery Speculation

I think that one of the obnoxious British soldiers in the 1950s-1960s uniforms is Charles "Chuckles" Widmore.

[LostinVA]

8. I also just posted an OP saying that Ellie is

FARADAY'S MOM, MRS. HAWKING!!!!!

[LostinVA]

9. Bingo -- I think we are both right

[GCP]

7. L O S T Lost me a long while ago

I enjoyed the first few seasons but then it really started getting stupid IMHO
:hide:

[swimboy]

10. Widmore?

Charles Widmore?

[Yavin4]

11. Whoa!

Good reveal there.

[graywarrior]

15. snap!

And my brain accepted it....just like that

[underpants]

12. Somewhere in the flashes Locke is developing tits

[Skip Intro]

13. Best show on TV. nt

[Skip Intro]

14. By The Way - you PROMISED to LET THAT DUCK GO FREE after 1/20/09./

Why the fuck is that duck still restrained???!!!!

[graywarrior]

16. Where ya been?

The duck stays or he's homeless.

[Skip Intro]

17. I'll adopt him then, you heartless bastard.

[graywarrior]

18. LOL, I was just told to check my hormones due to my swearing and other

"unnatural manly" attributes. LOL

[Skip Intro]

20. LOL. Wait. I'm not laughing. This is no laughing matter. FREE THE DUCK DAMMIT!

[graywarrior]

32. No! Qwaak. Qwaak qwaak.

[graywarrior]

19. OK, so what is Jughead?

In the earlier comics, Jughead's real name was a running gag mystery, and many episodes involved various characters trying to discover his real name, and Jughead thwarting their efforts. In one story Archie and Reggie attempt to find out Jughead's real first name. They go to the school office, and a woman there tells them that Jughead's real first name is Steve. After Archie and Reggie leave the office, the audience learns that the woman is actually Jughead's aunt and that she has just lied to Archie and Reggie as a favor to Jughead to help him cover up the fact that his first name is Forsythe. He is named after his ancestor who is an American hero. Jughead started to use his given name for a brief time in honor of his ancestor, but after learning that he was married nine times, reverted to his nickname.

Another mystery is the meaning of the "S" on his sweatshirt, which has still not been revealed to this day, though many stories have come close.

[peacefreak]

33. Jughead is the bomb

that Farraday was suppose to dismantle.

[darkstar]

21. And how about the name of Desmond and Pen's son?

Tugged at my heart, brother.....

[graywarrior]

23. I know!!!!!

I just love Des and Penny.

[darkstar]

25. His eyes tonight in that last closeup

after lying to Penny...whew....

[graywarrior]

26. Amazing how we know what he's thinking by looking at his eyes

[darkstar]

22. Oh...and help me out here....

If Desmond and Jack and Ben and company all went back "today," we'd have to jump forward 3 years in baseline island time? That is, on island time, Jack and Kate and Sayid, etc. just got rescued "a couple of days ago" right?

So predictions. Will they those currently in LA go back in time or will they find the island and folks there to be three years beyond Sawyer washing ashore?

[graywarrior]

24. Conceptual questions

If a bus is traveling.....I fail them every time.

[darkstar]

27. Well...in trying to frame it for my wife, a more "casual" viewer,

I realized that part of her confusion was that the first two episodes of this season weren't concurrent with what was happening on the island. That is, the island is having some severe time dislocations, but so is the show itself. "Does Locke need to go backward or forward in time to save the island? And isn't he dead anyway?"

[graywarrior]

28. He's not dead in 1954 but he knows he has to die to save everyone on the island

and through his death he will live again.

[darkstar]

29. And if he got off the island 3-4 days after Sawyer washed up

He'd be alive for roughly 3 years before he died in L.A., right?

[Skip Intro]

30. I saw the "LOST" stamp meaning it was the end of the episode and I went "No...wait"

No, not there, not now, just can't end an episode like that.

Damn!@%&!

A whole week to wait now.

I didn't watch the first four seasons as they happened, I watched four episodes every Monday on Sci Fi.

I'm not used to this.

[yellowdogintexas]

31. worse, I watched them on DVD via Netflix. So I am not used to commercial

interruptions, and feeling dropped off a cliff because I had the next disc right there.

Every week, my daughter (in Arizona) call each other up to discuss the show. It is fun.

so is the woman with the machine gun and the rolled braid Faraday's mom, Penny's mom, White Haired Lady, or none of the above?

[Tyrone Slothrop]

34. I'm guessing that she might actually be Charlotte's mom

And that Widmore might be Charlotte's dad. (Making Charlotte and Penny sisters/half-sisters.)

In the last episode of Season 4, we learned that Charlotte was born on the island. Also, both Widmore and Charlotte are English...

Dunno -- I'll be interested to see how the seasons unfolds. Something about the blonde with the gun left me pretty positive that we'll be seeing more of her. (She didn't really seem like a throwaway character.)

[rainbow4321]

36. If she is the mom to any of them, they can't throw her away.....

No mom, no kid (Charlotte, Penny, etc...)..unless she has already given birth to that kid. So if the "mom" were to get killed (before having the kid) would the "grownup" version of the kid just vanish into thin air?

On edit: Ditto for the younger version of Widmore. He gets killed, no Penny (assuming she has yet to be born).

[akwapez]

38. blonde with the gun would seem to be Ms. Hawking

who is probably Faraday's Mom.
The girl's name was Ellie. Ms Hawking's first name is Eloise (which is also the name of Faraday's rat back at Oxford).

[lukasahero]

35. LOL - I did the exact same thing

Wait? What? That couldn't have been an hour!?!?!?!

We watched the first two seasons on DVD. Watching in real time is painful.

[Fleshdancer]

37. Ok, so I FINALLY just watched this episode. HOLY CRAP!

Then I had to search back three pages to find this thread just to post my thoughts. :D

Wow. Ok, so the Dharma Initiative didn't start until the 1970's. In this episode, we find out that Charles Whidemore was a young go getter on the island in the 1950's. He reluctantly answered to Richard. Richard answered to Jacob. Was Charles in any way involved with the formation of Dharma? The professors at the University of Michigan had to find out about the island some how in order to begin Dharma and to get it funded by Alvar Hanso. I think Dharma may be Charles' creation even though he started out as an "other". Meanwhile, Ben starts out as someone from Dharma, but then turns into an "other". Nice twist if true.

Now Ben and Charles are fighting over the island. Ben seems to be fighting on behalf of Jacob while perhaps Charles is fighting on behalf of scientific discovery? Faith vs Science. Ben vs Charles. John vs Jack.

Fun times!

[NJmaverick]

39. Interesting ideas, thanks for the food for thought