How much money would be enough for you to kill a puppy with your bare hand

[luckyluke]

How much money would be enough for you to kill a puppy with your bare hands?

For me: the short answer: about $10,000.

Why so much? Merely because it would be a somewhat painful death; if I was allowed to use a painless injection, I would do it for much less, like $500.

Why so little? Because I could donate the money to the Humane Society and they could save maybe *10* puppies.

Do I believe this kind of calculation is ethical? For an unwanted dog, yes. For a pet animal, or a human being, no. Obviously, I would not hurt a hair on my dog for all the money in the world.

Would I actually do this in practice? No, because I would seriously doubt the motivations and integrity of someone who would make such an offer.

Am I a heartless bastard? Yes.

-ll

[Don_G]

1. No Amount Of Money

If I was in fear of my life from a Pit Bull or a rabid beast, I would have to do it as a matter of survival.

[chaska]

2. Has someone offered? Why are you considering this awful thought?

[luckyluke]

31. Pls see my post #20 (nt)

[SeveneightyWhoa]

3. $800.

[m-jean03]

4. OK -- you win the

Creepy Post Award :puke:

[salinen]

5. lucky

I'm going to imagine you are serious. Why are you thinking about killing a puppy with your bare hands? Why are you putting a reward unto that act as opposed to a fine? What's the point?

[luckyluke]

7. Noooo!

No! Of course I'm not serious. It's a hypothetical question.

Here's the link that started it all:

http://oldeenglish.org/puppy.html

[HEyHEY]

6. I would never take a life in exchange for money

that's sick

[SheWhoMustBeObeyed]

8. Visitor from another planet...or website

:eyes:

[JVS]

9. I'd do it 8 hours a day for $30/hour

[ret5hd]

13. and you get the award for creepiest answer.

[JVS]

14. Yay!

$30/ hour is good money

[ret5hd]

16. yeah, i hear there's some good payin' merc jobs overseas...

to bad those "victims" can fight back tho, huh?

[JVS]

19. Killing puppies is not the same as people

It would be like killing fish before cooking them.

[ret5hd]

21. yeah, a lot safer too.

[JVS]

23. You seem pretty hostile about this.

[ret5hd]

25. and you seem pretty gleeful...

even eager.

[HEyHEY]

27. JVS isn't being serious

He's joking. Or, at least I think he is :scared:

[JVS]

29. I would try to do it as humanely as possible.

I think I could probably snap the neck. Of course I'd have to be assured that the activity is completely legal. I am not going to break the law about this.

[JVS]

28. Nah, just realistic

I've eaten fish, rabbit, pork, beef and other things that had to be killed. I don't see why puppies should be off limits for killing.

[ret5hd]

32. it's the purpose and the method that makes the difference...

i've also eaten things that had to be killed...but they weren't killed solely for the vicarious pleasure of an onlooker.

but going on heyhey's word (above), i'm just gonna drop it.

[ET Awful]

10. $375 Trillion ought to do it.

Cash in advance please.

Other than that, no amount of money.

[ret5hd]

11. i think i'd just beat the shit out of the person offering...

take the $10,000 (or $5, or whatever he had in their pockets) from his now pleading crying ass, kick 'im one more time for good measure, dare him, DARE HIM, to sue me, then give the proceeds to a local shelter.

There is NO excuse for inflicting needless pointless pain on a helpless animal. None. To do so is a sure sign of a sociopath. And no, I don't consider the person doing the "offering" a helpless animal.

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[luckyluke]

18. Sorry...

I'm sorry. It's a hypothetical question. I didn't realize it was going to bother people so much.

I only started thinking about this after coming across this link: http://oldeenglish.org/puppy.html

Basically I think the question is interesting because it just serves to illustrate how inconsistent people are... I mean, most people who are utterly horrified by this question have no qualms about eating chickens and cows and pigs and goats that have been bred in pretty inhumane conditions...

[Taverner]

15. Morbid question, but I'll bite - no amount

I would never kill a puppy...well lemme restate that. I would kill a puppy if they were dying a horrible death, and needed to be put out of their suffering. And I'd do that for free. But I wouldn't like it.

[curse10]

17. No amount is large enough

I wouldn't be able to live with myself.

[luckyluke]

20. Please read this before you respond!

I'm sorry. It's a hypothetical question. I didn't realize it was going to bother people so much.

I only started thinking about this after coming across this link: http://oldeenglish.org/puppy.html

Basically I think the question is interesting because it just serves to illustrate how inconsistent people are... I mean, most people who are utterly horrified by this question have no qualms about eating chickens and cows and pigs and goats that have been bred in pretty inhumane conditions...

[Hell Hath No Fury]

22. No inconsistency here...

wouldn't dream of killing a puppy and am a vegetarian.

Next question?

[Kathleen04]

26. I second that..

:)

[Taverner]

30. Hmmm...well I'll bite

I may be cold by saying this, but I feel no remorse for Chickens or Turkeys. They're basically lizard brains with feathers, no emotion just response.

Then with cows, if you get your beef from certain ranches, they treat the beef much better than other ranches. Niman Ranch is such a ranch.

If you're going to extend the compassion argument to fowl, why not extend it to vegetables.

[luckyluke]

34. Yes, but...

...even if chickens and turkeys are stupid, do you think that warrants debeaking, grossly fattening, keeping cooped up in small enclosures, or feeding an unnatural diet that includes ground-up bodies of chickens?

Mistreated chickens (read: all factory-farmed chickens) show visible signs of stress all the time. They may be stupid, but they *are* suffering.

But I do commend you for choosing humane beef... wish more people were that conscious.

-ll

[curse10]

38. Last time I checked vegetables don't have a central nervous system

chickens, ducks, turkeys, cows, sheep, and fish all do- thus they feel pain. That celery stalk I just bit into didn't feel a damn thing.

[Taverner]

I'm very fuzzy on this so please forgive me

But they did tests to a ficus plant and found the internal electric activity (sorry, no botanist here) goes up when leaves are plucked.

That could be translated as pain...

[curse10]

44. Well, then, even if plants do experience pain

why kill more plants so we can eat animals that have to eat those plants? We'd grow more plants and kill them just so we could up the violence level and kill a bunch of animals. No need to add to the pain cycle.

[Taverner]

48. Another good point - definitely something to be taken into account

I'm just arguing we leave a footprint no matter what we do. We should work to minimize that footprint, but also should do whats best for our own health.

White meat, eggs and milk are all healthy protein sources. Red meat, not so much so, but it has amino acid chains not found anywhere else in the food spectrum. Our body was built to be omnivourous, and part of the obesity epidemic results from an unbalanced diet.

[underseasurveyor]

39. You do have a point...

That I hope raises the awareness bar just a little bit more. Living where I live I hear and see the henious, horrifying conditions these poor living breathing creatures go through every day. Laughing famers as they relate their sick tales of animal torture or meat packers in slaughter houses..........I can't even repeat some the horror stories I've heard. And yet they laugh about it.

Only recently, a couple months, have I taken meat off of my menu. I eventually wish to work my way towards veganism.

[Taverner]

42. Beware of Veganism

It *can* be very unhealthy. Not to say that it is, but unless you go out of your way to re-create the amino acid chains found in eggs and milk you will suffer protein deficiency, and could lead to diabetes. Unless you are a nutritionist, I would adivise you see a professional nutritionist to plan your meals.

Vegetarianism can be very healthy, as whey and eggs are two of the BEST sources for protein and if combined into every meal, one can be very healty, shed fat, gain muscle, gain strength, etc. But veganism is very dangerous.

I was PT in college and I had one client who was a vegan. She was grossly overweight (250lbs or so) and at the same time undernourished. At times her blood couldn't clot and she had serious nosebleeds. I convinced her to switch to lacto/ovo vegetarianism and she started losing weight, and the nosebleeds stopped.

[underseasurveyor]

46. Thanks for the advice

This is something I have been considering and looking into for a long, long time. I know many vegetarians and vegans and have asked them tons of questions and researched the Pro's and Con's.

The fact is, (for me) even though I still eat a small amount of eggs and dairy, since I have stopped eating meat I feel so much better than I ever have in my entire life (44 yrs). Time will tell and my body will let me know.

Thanks again for the advice......:-)

[curse10]

47. Veganism is not unhealthy as long as the person practicing it

isn't an idiot and pays attention to what they eat. Everyone should really pay attention, no matter what their eating habits are. The shit some people ingest is disgusting.

[Taverner]

49. Deep fried Snickers Bars come to mind

along the "shit some people ingest" line of thinking....

[curse10]

50. ugh!

I've also seen deep fried oreos and twinkies. :puke:

[underseasurveyor]

51. Worse than that

What about deep fried Twinkies......Blech

[Taverner]

53. yes...especially since twinkies are deep fried to begin with!

fried bread... fried once again!

[luckyluke]

54. You can't beat this...

Coat Krispy Kreme donut in egg yolk and candy sprinkles, deep fry, pull out and coat in lots of powdered sugar, deep fry it again to caramelize the sugar, place on plate, drizzle some more powdered sugar on top, and finally smother with whipped cream.

I call it "Heart attack on a plate".

I dare you to top that :-)

[Taverner]

Yecccch! Where do they make that???

And how do I avoid it?

[luckyluke]

56. They don't...

...I just thought of it...

[underseasurveyor]

57. Oh YUK!

I can feel the acid refluxing up just reading that. My mouth is watering too. And not in a good way. :puke:

[BlueJazz]

24. I've killed puppies before but only out of anger.

I was angry about being so hungry. (Hush Puppies)
I don't think they suffered much though.. :)

[warrior1]

35. It's not even funny

Harming an animal, is one of the three signs you look for in sociopath.

The other two is bed wetting and arson.

I think even asking a stupid question like this is cry for help. Are you that bored that this is the best you can come up with. It's a rhetorical question.

[Taverner]

43. Point made, but what about hurting humans?

I see a lot of posts here about 'wish I could kick such and such' or 'barbeque this such and such'

Just playing devils advocate here...

[BlueJazz]

58. Ah....Hush Puppies are food.

I don't believe they mind being eaten or killed.

For the record though..No amount of money would entice me to hurt an Innocent animal.

[MasonJar]

33. What kind of sickko would even ask such a question? No amount of

money would induce me to kill another living creature, especially an innocent puppy.

[luckyluke]

36. Argh!

Please see my post #20. Thank you!

[jonnyblitz]

37. None n/t

[jrthin]

40. Not enough. n/t

nt

[Van Helsing]

41. I'd never kill a puppy.

[Bride of Cthulhu]

45. there isn't enough money in the world

simply couldn't do it

[classics]

52. How much would it cost...

for you not to share your odd fantasies about killing puppies for money with us?

:)

[luckyluke]

55. Sorry...

I wasn't intentionally trying to offend people. Please read my post #20.

[BlueJazz]

60. Actually I think it's a great Physiological question.

At least it's a little more cerebral then most posts about "What's your favorite color"

True, it makes some folks a little uncomfortable but that's what forums SHOULD do ...sometimes :)

[underseasurveyor]

61. There is a reason for his seeming madness...n/t

[ProudGerman]

59. 1,000,000 freshly printed Washingtons

But only if the puppy isn't cute and fuzzy.

In reality, I couldn't do it. I'd probably say I would, then when I put my hands on the puppy, it wouldn't happen. Hell, I feel bad for the feral cat I accidently killed a decade ago. It was messing around in my mom's garden. I had a baseball in my hand, and threw it at it to scare it off, the ball connected with the cats head and he just stopped moving. It was a pure accident, the cat just happened to run where I threw the ball, freak outcome. And this was a neighborhood pest, not a defenseless young animal.

I think a better question would be how much money would it take to kill someone you hated with every essence of your being.

[Name removed]

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[luckyluke]

64. Read post #20... *tired*

[underseasurveyor]

68. I gotta admit

When I first read your post my knee jerk reaction was, fuck you asswipe. However after reading further (#20) I realized the method of your madness. Thought provoking......yes.

Personally I could not ever kill a puppy or kitten or any type of "household pet" for money. Yet even though cows, pigs, chickens, turkeys aren't thought of as "household pets" is it much different that they are slaughtered en mass for mere dollars per head for our tables? Is it not hypocritical of us in some way that to kill a puppy for money is beyond comprehension yet other animals are raised and killed for the same reason. Someone is making a buck.

Luckyluke is merely trying to raising the awareness bar - 'food' for thought people.

on edit: misspelled your name dude.......sorry

[theoceansnerves]

71. okay

i didn't read all the replies before posting. it's a good point. most meat eaters wouldn't dream of harming a bunny rabbit, yet they have no idea the torture they're put through in the name of "cosmetics testing." are they used because rabbit eyes are really similar to humans? no..it's because they are so docile and quiet they sit there and take the abuse. and most people have no idea of the abuse iams puts dogs and cats through...

[luckyluke]

73. Iams?

Iams? What are you talking about?

[underseasurveyor]

74. This...............

http://www.iamscruelty.com

[theoceansnerves]

76. they're owned by p&g

you can basically be assured anyting proctor and gamble touches will be tainted with torture and cruelty.

i used to have these in my sig but i took them out a while ago:

http://www.iamscruelty.com/
http://www.uncaged.co.uk/iams.htm

it takes a little reading to see what's actually going on but it's pretty horrific.

[Bertha Venation]

63. your proposition is absolutely fucking disgusting

Filth.

[luckyluke]

65. You're right...

...now please read my post #20.

[Bertha Venation]

72. I read number twenty and I take your point. Here's a friendly (really) tip

Next time you want to ask such a question, put a warning in your initial post. Even something like "I realize this is disturbing but please humor me. I will get to my point after a few responses." That might help.

Don't know if you're new, but w/ your low post count -- welcome to DU. :hi:

[luckyluke]

66. OK, I was wrong to post this...

...I've asked the moderator to remove this thread since it is bothering a lot of people.

[ProudGerman]

75. You asked a HYPOTHETICAL question in the hopes of stirring discussion

You have nothing to be sorry about. It's not your fault you didn't get the thoughtful response you hoped for, but instead got alot of knee jerk responses.

Just felt like you needed a little support.

[TreasonousBastard]

78. Nah...

just keep asking people to READ the thread before replying. Notice how many people seem ot read a word or two in the opening post and just fire off a reply? Happens all the time here.

I know it's a lot of work, but maybe one day they'll get the idea.

Hypotheticals like this are good once in a while-- no puppies were hurt during the asking of the question, and it encourages people reading it to evaluate and reconsider their own views.

btw, me? Nope, I don't see myself killing puppies for money. Or any other reason.

This question gets really "interesting" when talking about animal shelters. Not the "no kill" kind.

[DS1]

67. I'm sure you could find a seal clubber to do it pretty cheap

[Obamarama]

69. Let me hold the puppy George...let me hold the puppy...

So, were you ever in a HS production of "Of Mice and Men?"

[rasputin1952]

70. Well. luckyluke....

I get the distinct impression you are kind of unhappy starting this thread...:)

It is interesting however, to see the responses.

O8)

[Whitacre D_WI]

77. Depends.

Is it a cute puppy, or an ugly puppy?

Actually, killing a puppy with your bare hands can be a lot MORE humane and LESS painful than, say, allowing it to starve in an alley somewhere, or be hit by a car. That is, if you know what you're doing.

A simple breaking of the neck, that's all.

I do not know how to break a puppy's nexk cleanly, so I probably would not do it.

[Moderator]

79. locking

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