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DrFunkenstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 11:02 PM
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New Republic Raves About Kerry's MTP and Debate Performance
COOL, CALM, AND COLLECTED
by Jonathan Cohn

Candidate: John Kerry
Category: General Likeability
Grade: A


John Kerry's campaign has been maddeningly frustrating to watch; at times, it's seemed like a biography in search of a candidate. But on Sunday's edition of "Meet the Press," Kerry turned in one of the more impressive television performances of recent memory. Kerry seemed self-assured, in command of his facts, and certain--for once--of what he wanted to say (even if what he had to say wasn't entirely honest).

Particularly impressive was the way Kerry handled Tim Russert. Early on, Russert noted that Kerry had slipped badly in the New Hampshire polls, falling 21 points behind Howard Dean. "What happened?" Russert asked. It was typical of the sort of absurd questions Russert asks these days--it shouldn't be John Kerry's place to analyze John Kerry--but Kerry handled it gracefully. After acknowledging that his rival had campaigned well, Kerry made a plain, simple argument for why he was the better candidate:

"Howard Dean's done a good job. I give him great credit. He's been out there, very visibly spending money on TV and elsewhere. We haven't done that. But more importantly, I don't think I've kicked my campaign off sufficiently. We are coming out this week. I am going to reach out to the country and be as clear as a bell about the leadership that I offer, the experience that I offer, the strength and the vision that I offer for our country. And my vision, I think, is stronger and better than Howard Dean's and I look forward to sharing it with the nation."

Russert, naturally, pressed him. But Kerry, a man whose penchant for excessive nuance has been well-chronicled, was direct in his answer:

I think George Bush has proven that the presidency is not the place for on-the-job training in this new security world and foreign policy challenges. For governors, Howard Dean has zero experience in international affairs. This is a moment to make America safer, stronger and more secure. And I have years of experience in helping to do that."

Substantively, it's Kerry's best selling point right now. But what impressed me the most, again, wasn't the message so much as the tone with which it was delivered. Kerry didn't sound angry or petulant when he spoke those words. He sounded cool and confident, like a veteran statesman should. Whether or not that qualification really matters to Democratic primary voters is an open question. But it clearly ought to matter.

http://www.tnr.com/primary/index.mhtml?pid=664

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MEET JOE BRAHMIN
by Franklin Foer

Candidate: John Kerry
Category: General Likeability
Grade: A


Last night, it's fair to say, John Kerry had expectations on his side. Based on his previous debating experiences, one began to think of him as a choke. In South Carolina, he appeared with a hoarse voice; the bags beneath his eyes were overstuffed like a Grandma's tsotschke-filled duffel; his answers seemed too long by half and not nearly as sharp as one would hope.

But something strange seemed to happen to him in the debate: He emerged as the most comfortable, most easygoing guy on the stage. His foils helped. Howard Dean, all pinched and serious, made Al Gore look like John Travolta. John Edwards giggled at his own jokes. And Dick Gephardt needed a pulpit placed in front of him to pull off his sermon.

Everyone had anticipated Kerry would devolve into a scrappy, desperation attack mode. But instead of lighting up Dean, he cracked wise. (Sample joke: The only jobs the president has created "are the nine of us running for president of the United States.") He had a looseness that inspired confidence, made him sound like less of a windbag than normal, and more Clintonian. Maybe the relaunch has worked. They faked us out about the new Kerry. It's not that he's Mr. Nam; it's that he will stop mimicing the platonic ideal of Kennedy oration and start being himself, a relatively normal guy.

My advice to the Kerry campaign: Always give your guy a one minute time limit. When he's to the point, he's good.

http://www.tnr.com/primary/index.mhtml?pid=645

Watch the TV spots and MTP here:

http://www.johnkerry.com/av/

But in the middle of all the serious talk, the candidate hit a funny note. Kerry, whose campaign focuses on such heady business as his service during Vietnam, his long record in the U.S. Senate and his foreign policy experience, actually took a chance with a quirky joke. The quip flowed easily off his tongue and got big hoots and hollers from the crowd.

"Five thousand years ago, Moses said: 'Hitch up your camel, pick up your shovel and mount your ass. I'll lead you to the promised land,' " Kerry said. "Five thousand years later, Franklin Roosevelt said: 'Light up a Camel, throw down your shovel and sit on your ass. This is the promised land.' Today, George W. Bush lays off your camel, taxes your shovel, kicks your ass and says there is no promised land."

http://www.primarymonitor.com/news/stories2003/090403kerry_in_boston_2003.shtml

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RevolutionStartsNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 11:15 PM
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1. Great job Kerry! But what's with that last picture?
It must be something about how the stage is or the angle of the photo, or maybe just because he's so tall, but the way he's leaning over there on the podium looks strange. Like he's about to tip over. Is it just me?

In any case, glad he is being praised for his performance. He did seem very at ease in the debate.
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 11:31 PM
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2. Its not just you
I thought the same thing.:o
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liberalnurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 12:11 AM
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7. I think he is taking a pee.....
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 11:37 PM
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3. can't you seeeee...he defies gravity...walks on water......
Oops...I must be channeling polpilot.
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polpilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 10:19 AM
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13. Any more flirting and I'm contacting the mods. This belongs in 'personals'
Dean '04...
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DrFunkenstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 05:11 PM
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19. Have To Agree, blm
Believe me, I know where you're coming from, but keep it clean.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 05:45 PM
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21. I thought this was a joking around thread.
polpilot jabs at me like that all the time, and I never hit alert. What's with the thin skin?
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CentristDemocrat Donating Member (294 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 11:45 PM
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4. In the last picture he looks like a cardboard cutout
like some cardboard cutout leaning against the podium.
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RevolutionStartsNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 11:54 PM
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5. If you look closely,
it does look like he's been "pasted" into the shot. But I think this is just a characteristic of digital photos, mine look like that sometimes too.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 12:00 AM
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6. …part-owner of The New Republic, gave $2,000 to Bush-Cheney '04 Inc.
WHEN YOU'VE LOST THE NEW REPUBLIC . . . Tapped's new favorite thing is the Federal Election Commission database where you can type in anyone's name and see if he or she has donated money to political candidates or parties. (Tapped's old favorite thing was The Washington Post's home buyer database, where you could learn how much your neighbors spent for their apartments.) So check out this nifty little listing (go here and search for "Steinhardt, Michael") that we discovered while trying to see which big-shot New Democrats were supporting which Democratic presidential candidates: According to this list, Michael Steinhardt, former Democratc Leadership Council stalwart and part-owner of The New Republic, gave $2,000 to Bush-Cheney '04 Inc. on June 20, 2003.
Now, we know that there's often little direct relationship between a magazine owner's politics and the views of its writers, but it is a notable thing when one of the more prominent New Democrats around starts financing the continuation of the Bush administration.
http://www.prospect.org/weblog/archives/2003/07/index.html#001288
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DJcairo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 12:52 AM
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8. Too bad your candidate is supported by the NRA
Maybe Kerry should limit the freedom of speech and tell the New Republic they can no longer write about him. Or maybe you ought to move to China. In any case I hope you can still keep your guns.
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deutsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 09:25 AM
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11. People in China can keep their guns?
I didn't know the NRA had branches over there.

:eyes:
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DrFunkenstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 08:48 AM
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9. Regarding The Attention-Grabbing Final Photo
If you link on the Kerry AV site I provided, you will see the energy and fire Kerry puts into the speech. If you watch him give the speech, you won't be surprised by the photo.

PS - Did anyone notice anything besides the photo?

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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 09:35 AM
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12. PS - Did anyone notice anything besides the photo?
Nope.
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deutsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 09:19 AM
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10. Not surprising to hear this from TNR
But, from what I saw of Kerry in the debate, I thought he did do a good job, so I can't quibble with the source (I'm just not a fan of the publication; In These Times and Harper's are more my style).

Good job, Kerry!
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DrFunkenstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 11:13 AM
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14. TNR Knocks And Applauds The Candidates
Kerry has been given his share of negative reactions, just as other candidates have been given positive remarks. I'm not crazy about the magazine itself, but their "primary" is interesting, even if I don't agree with everything they say.
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stirling_newberry Donating Member (9 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 12:50 PM
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15. TNR
Is the best place to get the "Anybody but Dean" CW. They were very high on Joe in August, because he seemed like the anti-Dean. He didn't work out.

Now they are boosting Kerry because he is the next safest anti-Dean.

The more candidates are built up as "The Anti-Dean", the bigger Dean will look when he crushes them one by one. Being labelled "the anti-Dean" is about the worst thing that can happen to a candidate at this point, because suddenly he is defined by Dean, and must define himself in opposition to Dean. As a result, Dean has an immediate advantage in the conflict.

Gephardt got the best points in the debate, and the best coverage, because, since he isn't "the anti-Dean" he could define himself.

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DrFunkenstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 12:58 PM
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16. Your Argument Seems A Little, Um, Dean-centric...
He may be the center of your universe, but not necessarily everybody else's. Dean may have won a Zogby poll at the end of the silly season, but doesn't mean he runs the show. Candidates are not defined by how they are not-Dean, except maybe in the minds of Dean supporters.

Secondly, TNR has run several pro-Dean articles.

Is there a paranoid wing of the Democratic Party?
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deutsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 04:31 PM
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17. My distaste for TNR precedes the current Kerry/Dean debate
Edited on Sun Sep-07-03 04:38 PM by deutsey
I just find them sadly old school liberal. Just my opinion, and not meant as a knock against anyone who likes TNR. I don't like the magazine and haven't for some time now.

:hi:
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DrFunkenstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 05:09 PM
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18. I Agree With You, I'm A Nation Subscriber
It's the only thing I get in print version. Katrina vanden Heuvel and David Corn are like matinee idols to me.


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Nicholas_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 05:39 PM
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20. I have read some recent Nation
bad press about Dean.
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