The NRA's little world is shrinking

[Lefty48197]

How else could you describe a gun owners group that only represents 5% of legal gun owners in America?
The NRA is working overtime to alienate themselves.
How else could you describe an organization that counts Ted Nugent, Wayne LaPierre, and Charlton Heston as their heroic leaders?

Regarding the NRA's new list of people that they would like their gun nut members to boycott

http://www.nraila.org/FactSheets.asp?FormMode=Detail&ID=15

Geez, they're alienating themselves from just about everybody:
The AFL-CIO, the American Academy of Pediatrics, the AMA, the NEA, the US Catholic Conference, AARP, American Jewish Congress, Anti-Defamation League, League of Women Voters, National Association of Elementary School Principals, National Black Nurses Association, NOW, PAW, Southern Christian Leadership Conference, United Church of Christ, YWCA, 20/20 Vision

Is there anybody they haven't alienated?

NRA Hero, Wayne LaPierre said, "Our members don't want to buy 'their' songs, don't want to go to 'their' movies, don't want to support 'their' careers"

Dustin Hoffman? Gosh, I think his performance in "Death of a Salesman" was the single best acting performance I have ever seen.
Jerry Seinfeld? Best television show I have ever seen.

I guess the best just is not good enough for the NRA and their members.
It appears that the NRA is not interested in the natural abilities of anybody, they're just concerned with whether or not people support their right wing political agenda.
Maybe Hollywood should stage two Academy Awards presentations: The regular one, and then an additional one for pro NRA actors and actresses? Wouldn't it be wonderful if Arnold Schwartznegger, Tom Selleck, and Charlton Heston could annually duke it out for the best actor award?
Perhaps they could have categories such as, "Best film starring pro NRA actors" or "Best pro gun actor" or even "Best pro gun supporting actor"?
NRA members could also put the NY Times bestseller list 'on ignore' and start their own list. I would suggest, "The NY Times best seller list by pro NRA writers". Then all of their right wing heros such as Bill O'Reilly, Sean Hannity, and Anne Coulter could occupy all of the top sales spots!
Hey, let's all just pretend that WE are the best, even if we have to invent a little world where only WE exist. We'll show them Democrats just how good we are!
Hey, maybe Casey Kasem could have an alternate AT40 episode for NRA members. It could be called, "Casey Kasem's American Top 40, by pro NRA musical groups".
And the Emmy's... Well, you know the rest.
Have fun in your little plastic bubble NRA. You deserve nothing less than your own perfect world.

[nadinbrzezinski]

1. You will enjoy what I just sent them

My, my, I am a former medic and married to a military man, who is soon to retire and join the Police. (I notice the National Association of Police is also in the list...two strikes now)

Now I am not opposed to the Second Ammendment, but given that I have seen personally the violence wrought by guns, I insist you DO PUT ME IN YOUR BLACK LIST.

After all, as a medic I am a proponent of GUN SAFETY EDUCATION and also of GUN LOCKS or legislation that will go after those who do NOT take care that their guns are not misused.

By your narrow definitions, I belong there, hence I expect to see my name in your list... close to the top.

Oh and my ocupation, I am a writer.


Sincerely,

Nadin Abbott

PS... make sure you spell it correctly.

[DoNotRefill]

4. So, when your husband becomes a cop...

do you support HIM having to keep a trigger lock on his service weapon? What would that do to his potential lifespan?

If you wouldn't make the cops do it, why on earth would you make the rest of the population do it?

[Lefty48197]

5. We put locks on our cars so the neighborhood kids don't drive off in them

Get over it.

[DoNotRefill]

20. yeah, but last time I checked...

most people don't leave their guns lying in the driveway.

[slackmaster]

39. And we don't require anyone to lock their car doors

Nor do we try to criminalize people who have their cars stolen and misused.

[nadinbrzezinski]

7. Yuo have no idea what you speak off

Them Locks are to be kept at home with waepons not under
use.

By the way, you have never seen, I take it, what a shotgun
does to the human body, let alone an AK 47. I have seen both

by teh way, I am not only insisting that he wears body armor, and
the latest even if I have to pay for it, but that he carries an
onion field insurance, and that all who are in the household KNOW
how to safely handle those weapons

But you are confusing ON DUTY with OFF DUTY, and at HOME.

By the way, my sister in law is in the LAPD, surprise surprsie
they have weapons at home and a gun safe.

[DoNotRefill]

21. sorry...been there, done that....

I've seen plenty of DBs, from many different kinds of deaths. That comes with the job.

[MrBenchley]

28. Gee it will be great

for her knowing that the NRA is working to give bad guys assault weapons and let them buy guns without background checks so her husband will be in MORE danger on the street, won't it, refill?

[demsrule4life]

43. I wonder what state Nadine lives in

Some states after a cop spends twenty years pissing off some really nasty people wont let him carry a gun after he retires. Another example how antigunners don't give a shit about anybody but themselves.

[CarinKaryn]

9. This Black List is the best (worst) thing to ever happen to the NRA

It shows the public just how they are and alienates anyone who may have bought the lines that they are only interested in "gun safety and education."
They've been exposed and brought into the light. Now we need to stpom them out before they slink away.

[nadinbrzezinski]

10. Agreed

there is more,

When the people demand to be put in their list the list becomes
useless

This is soemthing that they have yet to figure out.

We are no longer afraid of them

[MrBenchley]

27. As somebody said the other day

It shows that pretty much everybody supports gun control...

[Name removed]

2. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Lefty48197]

6. There are 80 million legal gun owners in America

And there are 4 million NRA members (by their unsubstantiated claims). I don't care who does the math, that's still 5%, just as I stated.

[DoNotRefill]

22. Compared to how many Brady members?

Oh yeah, forgot...they refuse to give that information out.

[Lefty48197]

17. Tombstoned after ZERO posts? That's gotta be a record!

Even for gun nuts.

[slackmaster]

40. Please define "gun nuts"

n/t

[MrBenchley]

50. Jeepers, slack...

Sorry you're having such a problem figuring out Lefty's post.

Maybe this hint will help you figure it out...

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=33227&highlight=%2ADemocratic+Underground%2A

[carpetbagger]

3. TIAA-CREF...

(Teacher's/Professor's retirement fund) had a referendum item in our last shareholder's election that would prohibit investment in any company that supports gun control or gives any money to gun control-supporting organizations.

Yeah, right. Those guys are looney.

I'm saying that as someone who actually feels safer walking down the street with the knowledge that anyone who wants to harm me will need to take the chance that I'm packing, even though I'm not.

[Military Brat]

8. Did you see Heston on "Bowling for Columbine"

What a creepy, cowardly man. He couldn't charm Michael Moore, so he turned tail and ran. I give him some credit for senility, but his ugly character really showed through.

[Fescue4u]

12. Watch the clock in the interview.

That interview was heavily edited. No doubt to make Heston look like a kook.

[Lefty48197]

13. I think Heston is an excellent spokesman for the pro gun control crowd

I mean, with his failing health, he is falling into the category of people who should not be allowed to handle guns. The people that think everybody has a 'right' to use a gun, are ignoring society's duty to protect itself from the mentally ill.

[Fescue4u]

26. Mentally ill

The mentally ill are already banned from owning firearms.

And have been since 1968.

As far as " society's duty to protect itself from the mentally ill.", an excellent way to do this is to own a firearm.

[MrBenchley]

29. Not to mention his call for

a lynch mob against Al Gore in the past election...

Guess he knew that NRA members still pine for the days of lynching bees.

[Romulus]

34. not even close to true

There was no call for a "lynch mob." :eyes: That same passage you kept citing clearly shows that.
Try sticking to what actually happened.

[MrBenchley]

37. Heston called for a lynch mob

And all your spinning can't spin it away...

"Mr. President, on October 16, 2000, Mr. Charlton Heston, President of the National Rifle Association (NRA), gave a speech at a campaign rally in Grand Rapids, Michigan. On the campaign trial in Michigan, Mr. Heston asserted that Vice-President Al Gore's position on guns had changed and suggested that "in any other time or place, you'd be looking for a lynching mob."

Mr. President, such inflammatory and extremist remarks are an outrage....Although some in the crowd at the NRA rally in October may have been in support of Mr. Heston's rhetoric, the majority of people in Michigan reject the hate that was exuded by NRA's leader that October day in Michigan. In November, voters in Michigan also demonstrated that they oppose the tactics of the gun lobby and voters around the country voiced their support for gun safety measures, such as closing the gun show loophole that gives youth and criminals illegitimate access to firearms. "

http://levin.senate.gov/floor/012501fs1.htm

"The National Rifle Association held its annual convention in Reno, Nevada, in April. As usual, there were plenty of rhetorical flourishes on display. That's no surprise. The NRA has always gone heavy on the heavy breathing -- remember when one of its fundraising appeals compared federal officials to "jack-booted thugs"?
With similar sensitivity, NRA delegates in Reno feasted on the kind of imaginative hyperbole that always marks their conventions. They booed the mention of war hero John McCain (they don't like the Arizona senator's leadership on campaign finance reform, or his support for closing the gun show loophole). According to the Associated Press, Craig Sandler, NRA director of general operations, attacked the Million Mom March: "What does the Million Mom March know or do about gun safety?" (The March, of course, included many moms whose families suffered from gun violence). Conventioneers listened as NRA Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre compared gun-control supporters to political terrorists.
Cute stuff. At least no one talked about lynching Al Gore, like NRA President and celebrity gun booster Charlton Heston did back in October 2000. "

http://www.tompaine.com/feature.cfm/ID/5608

"Speaking to an NRA "Get Out the Vote for Bush Rally" in Grand Rapids Michigan, Heston, in October of 2000, said something that should have resulted in a visit from the Secret Service: "Now, saying 'I'm with you guys on guns.' In any other time or place you'd be looking for a lynching mob." The crowd responded with "let's do it" and "I've got a rope," according to a Grand Rapids newspaper."

http://www.buzzflash.com/editorial/03/04/11.html

[Romulus]

41. thank you

for proving my point.

Mr. Heston asserted that Vice-President Al Gore's position on guns had changed and suggested that "in any other time or place, you'd be looking for a lynching mob."

Move along and stick to an argument with substance - like why background checks should be done for all firearms transactions.

[MrBenchley]

42. Heston called for a lynch mob

And all your spin can't spin away the NRA's ugliness....

[CO Liberal]

45. He Put the Idea In His Audience's Heads.....

...and they responded in the way he intended them to.

Alzheimer's or not, Charleton Heston is scum. Any good he did marching alongside Dr. King was cancelled out by his involvement with the Nuts Ruining America (NRA).

[MrBenchley]

47. He knew the sort of scum that made up his audience

were pining for the days of lynching bees, and he spoke to them in the language they understood....

[Stilgar]

55. The same is true about Michael Moore

A documentary is supposed to be truthful. Splicing together different speachs to make it look like one, calling the company down the street a weapons factory for nukes when it was a maker of components to launch satellites.

Staged the bank scene where he got the gun. He actually had to go through all sorts of checks, id's, background check, and got special permission to get the gun from the gun shop, where everyone else gets them from the bank's deal, and have it given to him in the bank. "why do you give out guns at a bank?" Why would you do something stupid with it in a bank when they have your drivers license, fbi background check, your financial record, and your money?

Oh yeah, real honest.

http://www.bowlingfortruth.com/

[MrBenchley]

56. Cry us a river

"Who is Michael Moore?
And Why Do I Loath Him?
by Richard Bushnell

Michael Moore is a left wing film maker and author provocateur. He calls Bush, Cheney, and Ashcroft the "real axis of evil.""

http://www.bowlingfortruth.com/main/about/moore.htm

Says it all, doesn't it?

[CO Liberal]

57. Oh, THAT'S a Real Balanced Site

Looks like the guy running that "bowlingfortruth" site has a real axe to grind. I guess "Bowling for Columbine" hit to close to home.....

[MrBenchley]

59. Wonder if that's THIS Richard Bushnell?

"Approx 2:00 p.m. Richard Bushnell calls Bill
Bill Kinkel and Richard Bushnell talked through various options regarding what to do about Kip. Bushnell said both Bill and Kip were deeply concerned with how Faith would handle the news."

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/kinkel/kip/cron.html

The Kip they're talking about is the kid who would later that day shoot and kill both parents, then shoot and kill 2 students and wound 25 others at his school the next day.

Amazing what you can find if you google "Bushnell" and "gun"

[Stilgar]

63. Oh so you agree Documentaries should not be truthful?

http://www.revoketheoscar.com/
http://www.spinsanity.org/columns/20021119.html
http://www.nationalreview.com/kopel/kopel040403.asp


Here is where he tries to say that all that above is false, too bad he has so many people, including bank employees stating otherwise. No we must believe Moore, why would he lie? Even his supporters say he just left out parts cause they were not needed, that may have sent an impression to the viewer. He also says that the police and teacher said they were in class that morning, so it is in the film. Sorry, the police reports say no students saw them in class that day, and there was PLENTY of time after the police reports were filed and the film was finished.
http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/wackoattacko/

And he says in his own website that it took 5-10 minutes to get the gun. Though: Moore said in the Wall Steet Journal that there was a waiting period.
"Typically, you're looking at a week to 10 days waiting period." This is plausible -- but entirely irrelevant for the movie, which already makes it quite clear that a background check is being performed. Moore's detractors have sometimes extended those 7-10 days to several weeks, contradicting the bank's own estimate."
http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2003/8/12/171427/607

I am sorry but cutting a 10 day wait into 5 minutes and not saying anything it is not irrelevant to the movie when you are showing how fast you can get a gun. Moore cant even remember his own lies.

[MrBenchley]

67. Wow...Crazy Bill Buckley's Nazional Review

The sources get loonier and loonier....

[Stilgar]

84. and the replies more baseless and flimsy

[Spoonman]

31. You might want to think

about how to rephrase that opinion so that is doesn't come across as to insinuate the removal of rights from aging people that have NEVER been deemed "mentally ill".
The AARP might have a few words for the DNC if this was a DNC opinion. Thank heavens it's not.

[MrBenchley]

32. Gee, the AARP is on the NRA's enemies list

Guess they're gun-grabbers, spoon. Be sure and boycott them.

[Spoonman]

38. Did I mention the NRA

NO!

Do you spin everything written into something it's not, YES!

Do you ever have a valid point, NO!

Maybe instead of trolling here you could stick to stormfront or the TexasKKK that you love to post and pimp for.

[MrBenchley]

44. Gee, spoon, I'm not the one peddling the NRA's position

That would be YOU.

[Spoonman]

49. I'm not the one posting links to racist groups

That would be YOU!

You must enjoy those sites, I've never been on one.

Now show us all were I have EVER cited anything from the NRA.

If you can't, then retract, if you are morally capable.

[MrBenchley]

51. Nope, you're peddling what the racists are peddling

and screaming in rage when it's pointed out what the racists are SAYING.

"Now show us all were I have EVER cited anything from the NRA."
Who the hell are you trying to kid, spoon? You jumped into a thread titled "The NRA's little world is shrinking," bitching furiously because we're criticizing the bigoted scumbag who used to serve as NRA president.

[Spoonman]

62. Why don't you go re-read

what I posted, before you resort to your standard personal attack methods.

My original post:

You might want to think about how to rephrase that opinion so that is doesn't come across as to insinuate the removal of rights from aging people that have NEVER been deemed "mentally ill".
The AARP might have a few words for the DNC if this was a DNC opinion. Thank heavens it's not.

You'll appear a hell of a lot more intellegent if you read the post before opening your spin flood gates!

"bitching furiously because we're criticizing the bigoted scumbag who used to serve as NRA president."

Try again, no where in my reply was I bitching.

Call him what you will, I could not care any fucking less, I am not, have not and never will be a member of the NRA!

If for one second you possessed any ability to interpret the English language without spinning it into an opportunity for personal attack, you would see the only thing I was commentting on was the potential implications of age and handicap discrimination!
Too bad your blind hatred led you off into a rant that clearly demonstrates your true nature.

"what the racists are SAYING"

I for one could care less what a buch of pin head fuck stains are spewing off at the mouth about.
You are the only person that seems to lend any relevance to them at all.
You are also the only person that seems to group anyone in opposition to your view as being synonymous with those groups.
To that I might add you express those accusations quite freely here in direct violation of DU rules!

I guess blanket accusations in appeal to emotion is all the zealots have left after EVERY argument they pose is dismantled with relative ease.

[MrBenchley]

69. Spoon, what's the name of this thread?

"I could not care any fucking less, I am not, have not and never will be a member of the NRA!"
Gee and yet you spend all this energy arguing on their behalf....and not just in this thread.

[Spoonman]

71. My opinions are just that

MINE.
I do not argue on behalf of anyone but myself.

They are my beliefs, not the NRA.

Unlike yourself, who frequents sites like stromfront and texaskkk.

Hmmmm, wonder why that is?

[MrBenchley]

74. And this thread is about the NRA

and here you are sticking up for them.

"Unlike yourself, who frequents sites like stromfront and texaskkk."
Got to find out what the RKBA crap is REALLY about...and share it with this board.

"Hmmmm, wonder why that is?"
Because I know what racist scum are really pushing this "gun rights" agenda....

[Spoonman]

89. So in other words

Your frequent visits to sites like stromfront and texaskkk are done to gain knowledge?

And you listen and believe.....that's say's it all!

[Fescue4u]

11. Only 5%

Wow, considering the power of the NRA, that gives you a good idea of how many gun owners are in America.

No wonder the party has been in a tailspin since the gun grab of 1994.

[Lefty48197]

14. I'm not sure what percentage of ILLEGAL gun owners NRA members account for

I know there are lots of 'them' that own unregistered pistols, banned assault weapons, sawed-off's etc etc etc. Hell, some of 'them' even own fully automatic machine guns.
I don't know any statistics on how many illegal gun owners there are in America, but I'm guessing that the NRA members and sympathizers make up more than 5% of 'them'.

[jhfenton]

18. "unregistered pistols"

I know there are lots of 'them' that own unregistered pistols"

All of my pistols, rifles, and shotguns are unregistered. I even purchased one of the handguns in an off-the-books private transaction conducted in a dark parking lot!

Of course, they all are perfectly legal, and I purchased that handgun from a Dayton police officer who met me halfway between Cincinnati and Dayton for convenience.

[RoeBear]

19. None of what you listed is illegal...

...all by itself. Many states don't require pistols to be registered, all the 'banned' assault weapons are still legal to own and sell, sawed offs can be owned with a permit, same with full auto rifles.

[DoNotRefill]

23. I own fully automatic machineguns...

without breaking a single law. I'm in the process of buying a "sawed off" shotgun, also without breaking a single law. You don't know what you're talking about.

[Fescue4u]

24. Ive never registered a gun

And hopefully never will.

I live in a free state that does not require that I register as a user of the bill of rights.

[slackmaster]

33. All of the items you mentioned can be owned legally

Did you know that?

[CarinKaryn]

65. Its really sick

the way everyone in this forum gathers around to gang up on whoever posts in favor of safe and sane gun regulation.

Its even sicker that so few see anything wrong with the love of sawed off shotguns, assault guns and fully automatic machineguns. Its just a glorification of death and violence and no one will admidt that.

[MrBenchley]

70. And isn't that the best argument

you've ever seen for MORE gun control...that loonies can get their hands on sawed off shotguns, assault guns and fully automatic machineguns now?

[DoNotRefill]

87. You forgot "pseudo-phallus worship"

in your description. Just thought I'd point that out. ;-)

[Stilgar]

90. Its also depressing

when no one can remeber what guns are already banned, like sawed off shotguns, and full auto guns.

Whats worse is thinking that banning a gun that has a couple of cosmetic features solves a problem.

Define safe and sane regulation. I will bet you that whatever you come up with, someone will say that it is a good start but not enough. Unless safe and sane is a total ban on all guns.

Admit what, that I like to target practice, compete in competitions, and protect my family from those that want to do harm, if that is glorifing death and violence... I admit it.

[demsrule4life]

92. What you need to do is spend

some time here go back and read several posts from the past. You will notice that it is usally two antigun folks that attack the progun all the time. So yes us progun types don't take to kindly to a new person coming down here and start attacking instead of debating. FYI the only crime that has been committed with a legally owned and registered full auto gun was by a police officer that had a part time job as a hitman.

[RoeBear]

15. I think the NRA's response would be...

..."The rumors of our death are greatly exaggerated". They are considered one of the most powerful and successfull lobbying organizations in the country.

[Lefty48197]

16. and if they're the only name on the ballot

then they'll win every time.

[Fescue4u]

25. Agreed.

It would be wonderful if a Left organization would back the civil right of bearing arms.

I was going to say a liberal organization but I realized that the NRA is VERY LIBERAL in the sense of the 2nd ammendment.

For reasons I don't understand, the only issue that Democrats (in general) are conservative on is firearms

[MrBenchley]

30. Too too funny...

"he NRA is VERY LIBERAL in the sense of the 2nd ammendment."
Hell, by that silly definition, the KKK is liberal too.....

"The so-called gun control bill enacted by the government is nothing but anti-self defense laws designed to disarm law abiding citizens. The right to own guns as guaranteed by the 2nd amendment to the United States Constitution must be protected. Gun ownership is NOT a privilege, it’s a CONSTITUTIONALLY PROTECTED RIGHT!!! The Texas Knights work to completely restore the right of all law-abiding citizens to keep and bear arms."

http://www.texaskkk.com/platform.htm

They're even willing to forgo their usual raccist gibberish in order to push this phony "gun rights" crap....but then so many of these racist asswipes daydream about an interracial shooting war.

[Romulus]

35. just like

that crowd hates the Patriot Act.

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/threadid64471.php
PATRIOT Act to become PERMANENT
*snip*

ACLU or not, those people may be jews and defend molesters, but unfortunately they are also fighting for civil rights for ALL, that includes us.



That must mean the Patriot Act's A-OK, right? :eyes:

[MrBenchley]

36. So are you going to try to pass off these Nazis as "liberals"?

Too too funny....

[Stilgar]

46. What a pantload

Why you keep calling pro-gun people Nazis' when they were for gun control?

The KKK through your postings believe in the 2nd as a right. Wow so do I, I didnt know I was in the KKK!!! So I guess we should all ban together and start calling all gun control people communtists.

If you think that all people that believe the 2nd Amendment is an Individual right are lieing, racist, bigoted, fools... I truely pity you.

[MrBenchley]

48. Are you saying Stormfront ARE NOT Nazis?

Get a clue...stormfront proudly call themselves Nazis...and they peddle the bogus "gun rights" argument loud and long.

"So I guess we should all ban together and start calling all gun control people communtists."
Too late....the RKBA crowd has already played that card here and looked silly doing so.

"If you think that all people that believe the 2nd Amendment is an Individual right are lieing, racist, bigoted, fools..."
I just point out specimens like Ted Nugent, Larrry Pratt, John AshKKKroft and Trent Lott, who lie about the 2nd Amendment conferring an Individual right ARE lying, racist, bigoted fools. AND THEY ARE.

[Stilgar]

53. still a pantload

Acutally they are NEO Nazis, Meaning new. A regular Nazis wanted gun control.

You don't JUST point out specimens, you call everyone who believes it lying, racist, bigoted fools. If someone is making an argument you come back with the KKK or some other crap. Most people here try to stay on topic and make valid points.

And members of the SCOTUS believe in the RKBA, are all of them bigoted too? If they rule RKBA is an individual right will they still be lying?

Many people for RKBA actually dont like any of those people you group most of us with. You dont seem to realize it, or just dont care...either way its just sad.

[slackmaster]

54. Benchley relies on a fallacy of construction

The erroneous notion that characteristics of a group are defined by those of narrowly selected (cherry-picked) members of the group.

MrBenchley's posts suggest that he has a deep-seated prejudice against gun owners. He may have convinced himself that anyone who owns a gun or supports the right to own a gun is a racist.

I support MrBenchley's right to hate people and his right to broadcast that hatred as far and wide as he can. At least we all know where he stands on the issue.

[MrBenchley]

60. Gee ,slack, how trragic for you....

"The erroneous notion that characteristics of a group are defined by those of narrowly selected (cherry-picked) members of the group."
Narrowly selected? I've pretty much looked at every racist that can be found in America and found that one and all are peddling this bogus "gun rights" crap.

"At least we all know where he stands on the issue."
Yup, as far away from racist turds like Ted Nugent and Larry Pratt as I can. Pity some people are right in bed with that scum.

[slackmaster]

86. You haven't even scratched the surface of racists in America

You're just spouting bigoted nonsense.

If you go on a journey with your eyes pointed to the ground looking only for pieces of shit you can surely find them anywhere. When you're done you'll have a nice sack of shit but not have learned anything useful on the way.

Take off your blinders for once, Benchley.

[MrBenchley]

61. Not even close to true....

"ou don't JUST point out specimens, you call everyone who believes it lying, racist, bigoted fools."
Nope. Of course, if someone were to announce they assumed that from my post, I would be quick to point out to that person that only the LEADERS of the TWO LARGEST GUN NUT GROUPS and pretty much EVERY RACIST in America are bigoted turds spouting this gun rights crap...but there may be some who don't know better who have just been duped.

Of course that person might then wonder why there are people still desperately trying to defend those racists and bigots...like by pretending that there's any difference that decent people should care about between neoNazis and ordinary garden variety Nazis.

"Many people for RKBA actually dont like any of those people you group most of us with. "
Yeah, but an awful lot of the most prominent ones spouting the RKBA line in public DO. As we've seen.

[Stilgar]

64. Those are some big pants

So you mean only the leaders are scum when you say those RKBA scum. Sorry for missing your point. Those "Gun-rights gumps" really means only the leaders. That is a big pile your shoveling.

"Of course that person might then wonder why there are people still desperately trying to defend those racists and bigots...like by pretending that there's any difference that decent people should care about between neoNazis and ordinary garden variety Nazis"
Well since there is a difference, I sure will. You read there websites and post links all the time, I figured you would know the difference, but since you keep using the wrong name I figured I would point it out yet again. If you are going to call someone a racist pro-gunner at least us the right hate group. I am not defending them, I would just like you to use the correct hate group when bashing the progunners.

"Yeah, but an awful lot of the most prominent ones spouting the RKBA line in public DO. As we've seen."
Yes and we have also seen many in history believing in gun control, yet I dont see people posting about that in every other post. Only when your drivel gets really deep do they come out. Then deleted, only to see your kkk and other posts stay...wonder why that is? If I kept calling you nazis, or communist post after post, I would be banned, yet you are still here. Kind of one sided isnt it.

[MrBenchley]

72. Nothing but BIG pantloads from the RKBA crowd

"If you are going to call someone a racist pro-gunner at least us the right hate group."
Geeze, why? They're all scum...and there are so many to choose from, all spouting this "gun rights" horseshit.

"we have also seen many in history believing in gun control, yet I dont see people posting about that in every other post."
Who are you trying to kid? The RKBA crowd keeps dragging up this utterly irrelevant ancient history every two minutes. One can only assume we're supposed to look at that to distract us from what the scum are up to TODAY.

"only to see your kkk and other posts stay...wonder why that is?"
Because they're true.

[Stilgar]

79. Does what you read sink in?

The point was to say Nazis were for gun control, not gun rights. Still seem to be missing that point. If there are so many groups to choose from, try choosing one that is actually for gun rights.

As I said, the RKBA crowd brings it up after one of your posts stating some obvious and yet irrelevent information. Read the posts, 99% of the irrelevant ancient history comes up after you post some irrelevant information. If you acutally treated people and what they think with respect, they would do the same. When you bring up the point that RKBA is wrong because racists believe it, you are as pointless as bringing up Hitler because he believed in gun control, yet you do it constantly. The point is to stop making baseless general statments, and we will too.

If you disagree with a statment, cite proof... and that proof is not that a racist group thinks it, therefore it is wrong. That is not proof, sorry to disappoint you. Cite examples for mainstream outlets and court cases not the VPC or KKK groups.

And last, if you really think that those that believe in the RKBA are racists like the KKK... you are no better than they are.

[CO Liberal]

76. Because It's NOT a Civil Right!!!!

Please show me where guns are mentioned in the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

[Stilgar]

85. You are correct, it is a constitutional right

But you knew what he was talking about.

[MrBenchley]

52. Just a reminder

Anybody reading this can get on the blacklist too at

http://www.nrablacklist.com/

[demsrule4life]

58. Rick Loveguns

added his name to the list, wonder if they will accept it :)

[Stilgar]

66. I posted some goofy names as well

I mean, what does it say about a list if you can add as many real or fake names as you want?

Sincerly
I.C. Weiner

[demsrule4life]

68. Since these names dont go on the real NRA "blacklist"

but on a Brady bunch petition, who cares?

[DonP]

80. My guess is a Brady Bunch solicitation list

With the MMM organization bankrupt and the latest flurry of press releases from them on things like the "evil" pen gun (that actually came out over three years ago) they are pushing for a fresh group of donations and are using the so-called "NRA enemies" list to expand their mailing list.

I'm not a member of any gun group, outside of a my local trap and skeet club, but any group that has 3 or 4 million members must be speaking for someone. Likely a lot of people that actually vote too.

See if you get any "send us a check" mailing to your new pen names in the next few weeks.

[MrBenchley]

73. Guess the RKBA crowd has gotten REALLY desperate

[demsrule4life]

75. Come on I see this little more

then the brady bunch getting a mailing list to start hitting people up for money.

[CO Liberal]

77. And the Nuts Ruining America Is Little More....

... than the Republican party getting a mailing list to start hitting people up for money.

[demsrule4life]

78. So you are saying that I'am right?

[CO Liberal]

81. Nope - Not At All

Just that as you see the Brady organization as useless and evil, I see the Nuts Ruining America the same way.

Time will tell which one of us is right.

[demsrule4life]

83. I sent them a real email

just have to wait and see, but since they haven't made this list public my gut feeling it is for collecting money.

[Stilgar]

88. I doubt they will release the names

They want the total number of names, not who is on it.

[Stilgar]

82. I believe so...

people talk about the NRA always wanting money. But not a word about signing up then being asked for money for the blacklist.

step1. sign the list
step2. send money
step3. write congress

Down with guns!!
Thanks,
Amanda Hugginkiss

[FlashHarry]

91. Locking

Once again, a thread has degenerated into a series of personal attacks. Please feel free to start a new thread on the same topic -- minus the personal vitriol.

FlasHarry
DU Moderator