Gun Nuts To Pimp For Chimp in Pittsburgh

[MrBenchley]

Hey, scum clumps together....

"PITTSBURGH (AP) — In touting its selection of the Steel City for its 133rd annual convention, the National Rifle Association talks up the region's strong membership and Pennsylvania's rich hunting traditions.
But it also is rallying support to keep President George Bush in office.
At last year's convention in Orlando, Florida Gov. Jeb Bush credited the 4 million-member NRA with helping his brother win the 2000 presidential election. "Were it not for your active involvement, it's safe to say my brother may not have been president of the United States," he said.
The NRA hasn't endorsed a candidate yet, but NRA executive vice president Wayne LaPierre said Monday that "gun owners in massive numbers do not want to go back to the days of Clinton and Gore." Presumptive Democratic nominee John Kerry, he said, "is certainly no friend of the Second Amendment."
Rocker Ted Nugent is also listed on the schedule. Vice President Dick Cheney was scheduled to be the keynote speaker, though LaPierre said he couldn't confirm whether Cheney was coming."

http://www.pennlive.com/newsflash/pa/index.ssf?/base/news-14/1081184048178470.xml

[FeebMaster]

1. So? (nt)

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[FeebMaster]

4. I read your link

despite its lack of a disclaimer. I'm sure everyone will be shocked when the NRA puts it's support behind a man who says he supports the assault weapons ban instead of the guy who actually voted for it. Unless you had some other point to make that I missed?

[MrBenchley]

5. Well, don't cry to me

I'm not on this earth to explain reality to every "feeb" around....

[FeebMaster]

7. Who's crying? (nt)

[el_gato]

2. another good reason for liberals to own guns

[MrBenchley]

6. Why? So we can join in supporting Whistleass?

Gun owners have sure been a shitload of help to Chimpy, and none at all to decent people.

[leftistagitator]

8. There are a lot of Democratic gun owners

And they know not to work with the NRA. The NRA is a repug front group, and everyone knows it. They do not speak for the gun owners of America, no matter what they claim.

[Columbia]

11. The NRA exists

Because they thrive on gun control. They need it more than anybody else. During periods of high gun control legislation, they get more money in their coffers to give to their GOP cronies. If they used their resources wisely and morally, gun control legislation would be repealed and eventually the NRA would work themselves into oblivion.

[MrBenchley]

13. Too frigging funny...

"If they used their resources wisely and morally, gun control legislation would be repealed"
Yeah, columbia? Give us a for instance. Please.

[FeebMaster]

15. Are you trying to say that

repealing gun control wouldn't hurt the NRA financially?

[MrBenchley]

16. feeb, I'm waiting to hear what columbia

has to say to back up that preposteerous statement.

As for "hurt the NRA financially", they're currently $100 million in the red.

Do try and get a fact at least once in a while, feeb.

[FeebMaster]

34. Well if they're $100 million in the red now

imagine where they'd be without gun control to cry about.

I do have a fact or two, at least every once in a while.

[Columbia]

17. Huh?

A for instance? The for instance is that it HAS NOT been done. What gun control has NRA repealed? NONE. And why not? Because they NEED gun control. Their membership skyrocketed after 1994, a banner year for gun control advocates. If the NRA truly does what they say they are going to do, then they would eventually cease to exist. The fact remains is that the NRA is a token organization that works hand in hand with gun control advocates to perpetuate their mutual continued existance.

[MrBenchley]

18. NONE. And why not?

Because they haven't got any goddamn case for any to be repealed, columbia. Their case that it's unconstitutional is a flat-out lie, and the voters wouldn't stand for any repeal. That's why they have to let the GOP operate in stealth mode, keeping legislation bottled up in committee.

"Their membership skyrocketed after 1994, a banner year for gun control advocates."
Or so they claim. But since the same people who lie about what the Second Amendment means and about gun crime in Britain and a thousand other things, there's every reason to believe that's horseshit..

It is worth noting that their magazine circulation (audited by a third party) has been in decline foppr years...and that their kalvern draws the same ugly 40,000 mostly white loonies...half of whom are employed by the gun industry.

[Columbia]

19. You say potato...

The ol' liar, liar, pants on fire scheme now eh?

Alrighty..

[MrBenchley]

20. No I say "ugly right wing lying scum"

"The ol' liar, liar, pants on fire scheme now eh?"
It's about all there is to the RKBA creed...a lot of lies and right wing horseshit.

[Columbia]

21. Static

[MrBenchley]

24. That's about what your posts add up to...

[Columbia]

27. Hehe

Now it's the "I know you are, but what am I" posts.

You are just so dang predictable, it's hilarious!

[OpSomBlood]

99. I know you are, but what am I?

[MrBenchley]

12. You couldn't prove it by me...

Go to a gun owner's forum and all you ever see is a bunch of stale right wing crap.

Where are the gun owners raising a stink when Ted Nugent says something racist and stupid?

[FatSlob]

41. I can come here and see

the same old authoritarian crap the grabbers parrot.

[MrBenchley]

42. Gee, slob...

don't let me keep you. Environmental laws and civil rights laws are "authoritarian" too...as are rules governing corporate conduct.

[demsrule4life]

59. Hey Bench

What is more effective, me bitching about Nugent here, or not spending a penny for any of his products? I think in real life not ever spending a penny for his music say's a lot more to crying about it here.

[MrBenchley]

60. Like you bad-mouth anyone but Democrats

Ever find even one post of yours praising any Democrat anywhere? Me neither.

Sure did find a shitload of your posts pimping for this or that right wing loony...but hey, which is more likely on a political discussion board, you announcing you don't own Ted Nugent records, or you pushing Ted's diseased and simple-minded agenda?

[demsrule4life]

61. I be real interested in seeing these post s where

I'm pimping for right wing loonies. I pimp for the right to keep and bear arms, but I doubt you will find one post of me supporting bush or anyone else. I figure if anybody pimps is you for Ashcroft, since you two think so much alike, no rights for anybody.

[MrBenchley]

63. Soon as you produce that pro-Democratic post of yours...

By the way, dems, tell us...do you think the NRA is endorsing this diseased drunk and inviting Deadheart Dick to speak because they sincerely want the best for America?

"I figure if anybody pimps is you for Ashcroft"
Jeeze, dems, I'm not the one repeating Asscrack's imbecilic "gun rights" LIE. Nor was I the one trying to pretend that Crisco John was doing something swell when he was padding federal conviction stats. That was the RKBA crowd.

[demsrule4life]

65. Here again I'm

right again, you cant find me pimping for any rightwing person. You cant find any post of mine that I have linked off of News Max. I can find posts of yours that Democrats are not real Democrats if they come from AL or MS. Your biggest arguement has always been that we cant be pro gun since there are some nut groups out there that are pro gun. You must pimp for Ashcroft, he is anti rights, you are anti rights, so going by your logic you pimp for Ashcroft every fucking day.

[MrBenchley]

66. Yup, here you are unable to produce any post of yours

even remotely pro-Democratic.

"Your biggest arguement has always been that we cant be pro gun"
No, my biggest argument is that the scum of the earth, like Cheney, Ted Nugent and David Duke are the public figures pushing this gun rights crap....just as this thread makes abundantly clear. It's just icing on the cake that it turns out you can't produce a single post of yours saying anything even remotely pro-Democrat.

"You must pimp for Ashcroft, he is anti rights"
Sorry, dems...AshKKKroft is passionately pro-gun rights...he even kept the FBI from checking to see if terrorists bought guns after 9/11. But again, I'm not the one who was cheerleading for Crisco John's empty stat-padding.

Nor am I the one here pouting and stamping his feet because somebody is pointing out that gun owners are AGAIN supporting the scum of the earth...

[Ziggy_0253]

28. Guns don't kill people, people kill people...

Unless of course you're stopped for driving-while-black, and then you'd better not twitch, because then the cops will kill you gun or not.

I'm quite left of center, yet I support the right to own firearms -- at least in theory. Note that some people just should NOT own guns under any circumstances, and that's where the rub comes in. How do you tell which people those are.

[MrBenchley]

32. And guns don't support Republicans

Morons with guns support Republicans...

[MrSandman]

69. Post their pic in this forum

[Township75]

22. Why don't you tell that to the gun owners in MI, VT, NH and Maine?

?

[MrBenchley]

25. I'll tell it to gun owners anywhere....

Gun owners have sure been a shitload of help to Chimpy, and none at all to decent people. Or did you think that they weren't lying their asses off about Democrats and every other subject there too?

[Ziggy_0253]

29. Second Amendment...

Isn't part of the theory of the Second Amendment that in order for us to stay free of corrupt government, that it's necessary to keep arms in the hands of ordinary citizens -- in case an insurrection is necessary.

Or so the story goes... In theory.

[MrBenchley]

31. Not on this planet...

[iverglas]

9. help, please

another good reason for liberals to own guns

Can you complete that sentence?

_______________________ <insert what is being referred to in the article in question> is another good reason for liberals to own guns.

Kinda like how, if you say "the sky is blue", I get a message. If you say "blue", I'm just getting, well, nothing. Are you blue? Is your favourite colour blue? All I can do is guess.

Is the anticipated availability of a lot of very nasty people all in one place, kind of like fish in a barrel, another good reason for liberals to own guns? All I can do is guess (and hope that this isn't the reason in question!).

.

[MrBenchley]

33. Funny how all these liberals who own guns

are dancing around here, isn't it?

Clearly they'd love to stick up for the scumbags of the NRA....but they can't figure out how to do it and stay on the board...

[slackmaster]

62. "Clearly"???

More Internet Mind-Reading.

Is it the way we wear our baseball caps?

:freak:

[TX-RAT]

10. clumps is such a disgusting term

I prefer desperately clinging together in mass, so as to create a foul stench.

[MrBenchley]

14. LOL!!

Gonna be quite the ugly klavern there all right...

[Township75]

23. Bench, you going?

To the anti gun nuts pow-wow...if you show up they might be able to get 10 people :

Meanwhile, gun control advocates plan to hold their own events. They include a teach-in at the University of Pittsburgh, a candlelight vigil to remember victims of gun violence and a concert, according to Nathaniel Glosser of Confluence Against Gun Violence, a coalition of local organizations.

Shouldn't you go and support your cause?

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[MrBenchley]

39. I might go to the protest

The company will be much better there in every way than among the inbred buffoons at the NRA rally...

[Ziggy_0253]

30. How is shooting wild animals in Africa with machine guns

going to help the Chimp get elected? Oh, that's right, he likes killing things.

I see they're trying to sunset the assault weapons ban. So who in hell needs a machine gun to kill wild animals?

So how come all the right wingers in Idaho own a closet full of machine guns to protect themselves from overzealous police and FBI prosecution, and that seems to be okay too.

I don't understand the right wing logic of that.

[FeebMaster]

35. What are you talking about? (nt)

[OpSomBlood]

36. Do a little research.

The AWB has absolutely nothing to do with machine guns. It is a ban on:

- folding or telescoping stocks
- pistol grips on shotguns
- high-capacity (11+ round) magazines (pre-ban mags are legal)
- threaded barrels (silencers are already illegal)
- grenade launchers (grenades are already illegal)

and on a few specific gun models.

None of these changes laid out in the AWB make semi-automatic rifles less lethal. It a pointless law that alters cosmetic features.

[RoeBear]

37. You might not understand logic...

...but you fell for anti-gun rhetoric, thinking that the AWB was about machine guns that is.

[slackmaster]

38. Ziggy, you have fallen for a Big Lie

Assault weapons and machine guns are mutually exclusive. The expiration of the AWB will not make machine guns more available to people.

So sad to see how well a large, organized disinformation campaign can poison innocent minds.

[demsrule4life]

44. Hey Ziggy

there is an old saying, it is better to keep your mouth shut and let people wonder if you are a fool then to open it and confirm it. The AWB has nothing to do with machine guns.

[MrBenchley]

40. And the mack daddy pimp is with the chimp...

" Bush spent the morning watching national security adviser Condoleezza Rice's televised testimony to the commission investigating the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, then toured his ranch with Wayne LaPierre Jr., chief executive of the National Rifle Association, and other leaders of hunting groups and gave an interview to Ladies' Home Journal. He is not scheduled to appear in public until Sunday, when he will visit nearby Fort Hood, the home base for seven soldiers recently killed in Baghdad. "

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A62524-2004Apr8.html

[MrBenchley]

43. Site for protest organizers....

http://www.goodbyenra.org/xoops/

Don't miss the random NRA quotes...

On Politics and Race: "There are many politicians willing to sacrifice the Second Amendment as the first step in the homogenization of American culture."
--Wayne LaPierre, CEO & Executive Vice President NRA Board of Directors

[MrBenchley]

45. The scum of the earth in action

"When the National Rifle Association opens its annual meeting here on Friday, it will do more than celebrate hunting, weaponry and the Second Amendment. It will also kick off a vigorous campaign to whip up support among its nearly four million members for President Bush's re-election.
Before tens of thousands of gun owners at the Pittsburgh Convention Center, the association's leadership plans to label Mr. Bush's likely Democratic opponent, Senator John Kerry of Massachusetts, as a liberal threat to gun ownership. It is a message they will repeat again and again until Election Day, using the Internet, mailings, television advertising and their formidable nationwide network of gun clubs.
"What you see in John Kerry," Wayne LaPierre, the association's executive vice president said in an interview this week, "is a politician that spent his life voting against the Second Amendment. What I see is the same thing I saw in Michael Dukakis and Al Gore. It's an elitist arrogance."
Grover Norquist, an influential conservative strategist and association board member who is close to the White House, called the president's position on the assault weapon ban "a hiccup," but nevertheless a potential problem. "The president has been so good both in the campaign and in governing," Mr. Norquist said. "This is the one high profile part of the center-right coalition's agenda that they got wrong." "

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/16/politics/campaign/16NRA.html?pagewanted=2&ei=1&en=1ce12bf7da5c4f6b&ex=1083114190

Now how far up your ass would your head have to be to say this unelected drunk "has been so good"?

[MrBenchley]

46. Some counter-activities...

"The NRA's arrival here hasn't met with universal welcome. Confluence Against Gun Violence, a coalition of Pittsburgh organizations formed in response to the convention, staged a teach-in last night at the William Pitt Union at the University of Pittsburgh.
Tonight at 7:30 the group will hold a candlelight vigil outside the convention center to remember victims of gun violence and tomorrow there will be feeder marches to a rally and concert at 10th Street and Penn Avenue to stop gun violence.
Other reaction came from the city's competing weekly news, arts and entertainment tabloids, City Paper and Pulp, both of which had NRA themes on this week's covers. City Paper showed a clown holding a handgun and the headline "Welcome NRA Members!" while Pulp featured a cowboy doll holding six-shooters under the headline "Welcome, Gunslingers!"
Also getting into the act is the Harris Theatre on Liberty Avenue, which will hold a "Happiness is a Warm Gun" film festival. The films chosen as being "our favorite films that celebrate the use of firearms" include the weekend double feature "Dirty Harry" and "Taxi Driver" and single features "The Wild Bunch" and "Joe" on Monday and Tuesday, the days the NRA board of directors will meet here."

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/04107/301588.stm

[MrBenchley]

47. Incidentally...

As part of their ugly little klavern, the NRA is running a contest to give away Charlton Heston's "cold dead hands" rifle.

Second prize is the rope Heston wanted to use to lynch Al Gore.

[FeebMaster]

48. Really?

Where can we enter?

[MrBenchley]

49. Really...

Ask Jackney Sneeb where you can enter, feeb....

[FeebMaster]

51. Does he know?

I don't know Jackney Sneeb and would feel uncomfortable with asking him a question out of the blue like that. I thought that since you brought it up, you might tell us where we can enter.

[MrBenchley]

52. I suspect pretty much everybody knows things you don't, feeb...

My own feeling is that anybody who wants Charlton's Heston's cold dead hands gun should stick their cold dead head back up their cold dead ass...

[FeebMaster]

53. I was just wondering.

"I suspect pretty much everybody knows things you don't, feeb...
My own feeling is that anybody who wants Charlton's Heston's cold dead hands gun should stick their cold dead head back up their cold dead ass..."

I don't particularly want the gun. I believe it was a musket, although my memory is hazy on that. Muzzle loading, black powder arms are currently unregulated and aren't particularly expensive. Also, I have no particular need for an NRA souvenir since I don't agree with anything the NRA has to say.

[MrBenchley]

55. "I have no particular need for an NRA souvenir"

And yet here you are begging for a link....

[FeebMaster]

56. Like I said,

I was just wondering. There's a few other links I wouldn't mind seeing you produce. I'm sure you remember which ones.

[MrBenchley]

57. Gee, feeb....

You'd be amazed how little time I spend wondering anything about you.

[FeebMaster]

64. If you say so. (nt)

[MrBenchley]

50. From the New York Times this AM

[Township75]

54. So, did you donate any money, bench...

or are you another big-talk, tight-wad anti gunner...those anti gun groups can't afford any more members like that, and I mean they really can't AFFORD any more members like that.

[MrBenchley]

58. Yes, I did, town...

Fuck the gun lobby and the right wing scum they support.

By the way, I sure don't notice any rootin' tootin' gun totin' liberals murmuring even the slightest whisper of dissent about Deadheart Dick where any of their fellow gun nuts can hear them...but then they're no more real than the bloodbath in Australia...

[Wickerman]

67. the NRA "is an organization with a Field and Stream magazine membership.."

the NRA "is an organization with a Field and Stream magazine membership, but a Soldier of Fortune magazine leadership."

ITTSBURGH - A man whose son was killed in the Columbine High School shootings literally walked in his child's shoes to the National Rifle Association convention, where he hoped Vice President Dick Cheney (news - web sites) would address the federal assault weapons ban set to expire in September.

Tom Mauser, whose son Daniel was killed with an assault weapon in the Littleton, Colo., killings five years ago Tuesday, said continuing the ban is common sense.

Assault weapons "are the weapons of gangs, drug lords and sick people," Mauser said before his three-block march to the convention, which runs through Sunday. "It is a weapon of war and we don't want this war on our streets."
-snip-
Mauser entered the convention hall where the NRA was meeting, but was turned away by a security guard as several conventioneers applauded. A couple of conventioneers yelled "Get a life" and "Vote for Bush."

The NRA expected up to 60,000 people at the weekend-long convention, dubbed "Freedom's Steel," featuring seminars on whether to hunt in Africa, legislative agendas, methods of carrying a concealed weapon and a game-call challenge.

[MrBenchley]

68. What a sick ugly bunch of fuckwads...

"A couple of conventioneers yelled "Get a life" and "Vote for Bush.""
And gutless too...

[MrBenchley]

70. By the way, here's the link

http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,1280,-3989310,00.html

"Democratic presidential hopeful John Kerry issued a statement before Cheney's address, saying ``most voters don't know that (Bush and Cheney) are standing against major police organizations and breaking their promise to renew the assault weapons ban - which helps keep military-style assault weapons out of the hands of criminals and terrorists.'' "

Good for Kerry...

[MrBenchley]

71. Here's what decent people were doing

while the scum of the earth was watching Bwana Dick fondle his gun in public...

"One speaker, Dr. Barbara Gaines, trauma surgeon and co-director of the Benedum trauma program at Children's Hospital, said on average 10 or so children die of gunshot wounds daily in the U.S. Sometimes it's an accidental discharge, or a child hit unintentionally, or a teenager who uses a gun to escape depression.
Pittsburgh Police Cmdr. William Valenta said one in five law enforcement officers killed between 1998 and 2001 was felled by an assault weapon. "We recognize how important it is in the law enforcement community to support an extension of the ban on assault-type weapons," he said.
State Rep. Dan Frankel, D-Squirrel Hill, said the ban needs to be not only reauthorized but strengthened. And he said it should be made a central issue in both in the Pennsylvania Senate race and the race for president.
Owning guns might be a constitutional right, but its framers couldn't have intended to allow the kind of violent society the gun industry has helped create, according to Celeste Taylor, an executive committee member of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People.
"It isn't about freedom," said Taylor, of Point Breeze. "It's about who has the most money, and who has the most power to influence public policy." "

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/04109/302610.stm

[OpSomBlood]

72. Circular logic makes me dizzy.

Saying that the gun industry helped create our violent society is like saying that McDonald's helped create our overweight society.

But wait...didn't McDonald's exist in the 1950's and 60's when children weren't obese? And didn't guns exist long before the era of the drive-by shooting?

Your "assault weapon" statistics are patently false, by the way. There's absolutely no way 20% of police officers were shot with "assault weapons"...that is unless the definition of an "assault weapon" drastically changed last week (which is entirely possible).

[MrBenchley]

73. Something must account for the dizziness

But I suspect it's RKBA "logic" or whatever the fuck it is....

"Your "assault weapon" statistics are patently false"
Says who...the piece of shit who put together stentorian?

[OpSomBlood]

75. No...the FBI, actually.

According to the FBI report "2001 Law Enforcement Officers Killed or Assaulted":

http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/killed/2001leoka.pdf

Total Law Enforcement Officers Slain With Firearms: 61

By Caliber:

Handgun:
.22 - 1
.25 - 1
.32 - 1
.357 Mag - 4
.38 - 2
.380 - 5
.40 - 5
.44 Mag - 2
.45 - 6
.50 - 1
9 mm - 17
Not Reported - 1

Rifle:
.22 - 1
.223 - 1
.30 - 2
.30-06 - 1
7.62x39mm - 6

Shotgun:
12 Gauge - 4

Only seven of the 61 police shootings in 2001 were done with "assault rifle" calibers, and this doesn't not even necessarily mean that the rifle used was a banned "assault rifle". That's 11%.

According to an FBI report called "Weapon Firearm Use by Offenders": http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/fuo.pdf, 1.7% of inmates reported carrying a fully automatic or military-style semiautomatic firearm during the commission of their crimes. In fact, only 5.6% reported ever owning such a weapon.

[iverglas]

86. ah, the 1950s

Life was so simple then, wasn't it?

Simplicity ... or wait, could it be simple-mindedness? ... I know: simplism (look that one up) -- it's just so attractive, isn't it?

But wait...didn't McDonald's exist in the 1950's and 60's when children weren't obese? And didn't guns exist long before the era of the drive-by shooting?

Yeah, and in the middle ages, people who hallucinated were possessed by demons.

Luckily for some of us, causation is just not such a mysterious thingy as it was to our ancestors, and evidently still is to an awful lot of people. The ones who, for whatever reasons they may have (most of which are obvious to a bat with a visual impairment), like to portray themselves as believing in demons but never having been introduced to the basics of human behaviour.

.

[MrBenchley]

74. Buzzflash Has Cheney's Asswipe Buddies Pegged...

Most people aren't fooled...

"All the NRA gun guys who wanted to hear Mr. Cheney speak about God and Guns and Freedom and the evils of Gun Control had to leave their guns in their hotel rooms and go through metal detectors, among other screening procedures, before they could gain entry to the meeting hall where Cheney addressed them. In short, if you were an NRA member and wanted to hear Cheney, you had to go through gun control. In fact, security screening for Cheney started three hours in advance of his NRA speech.
So, Dick Cheney tells the NRA members gun control is bad for America, but is apparently good enough for him. Excuse us, but we want some of what Cheney gets: you know, the treatment where the gun guys can't be in the same room with us while packing heat. If it's good enough for Cheney, it's good enough for BuzzFlash!
The odd thing though is that the NRA members, mostly older white males, are more psychologically attached to a whole range of issues beyond just guns. Guns are just the symbolic edge of a psychosocial mindset. In one article, a journalist observed a man at the Pittsburgh convention wearing a T-shirt that had emblazoned on it: "Christian, American, heterosexual, pro-gun, conservative. Any questions?" That about says it all, doesn't it?...
So even though there has been an onslaught of books and revelations lately that have revealed that Bush is a chronic liar, a dimwit, an arrogant elitist (repackaged by Rove as a faux "cultural values populist"), an ineffective commander in chief, a loser at wars, a man whose flawed leadership has resulted in hundreds of our soldiers dying and thousands being wounded, a pick-pocketer of the middle class, a child of affirmative action for slow-brained WASP offspring, and a ruthlessly vindictive S.O.B to boot, the embattled white male contingent considers him an honorable man.
That is apparently why Kayne B. Robinson, President of the NRA, could tell the assembled NRA members in Pittsburgh, with a straight face, "Don't you just love being able to say the word `president' and not be ashamed by what comes after that?" "

http://www.buzzflash.com/buzzscripts/buzz.dll/sub

[MrBenchley]

76. Here's how it played in New York...

""John Kerry's approach to the Second Amendment has been to regulate, regulate and then regulate some more," Cheney said, citing votes against bills to shield gun makers from lawsuits and in favor of random inspections of gun dealers.
Kerry fired his own salvo earlier, saying "most voters don't know that are standing against major police organizations and breaking their promise to renew the assault weapons ban, which helps keep military-style assault weapons out of the hands of criminals and terrorists."
Tom Mauser, whose son, Daniel, was killed with an assault weapon at Colorado's Columbine High School, marched to the hall wearing his slain son's shoes. He had hoped to urge Cheney to back the assault weapons ban, but guards turned him away. Conventioneers yelled "Get a life" and "Vote for Bush." "

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/story/184910p-160298c.html

Yeah, it's gonna be a swell GOP convention in NYC this fall....

[OpSomBlood]

77. Hmm...

I don't see how the heartless comments of a few people at an NRA convention is somehow indicative of gun owners at large.

And Kerry should clarify the AWB. It doesn't keep these weapons out of the hands of criminals and terrorists...it keeps them out of everyone's hands.

[MrBenchley]

78. Geeze, op, ask your new buddy

"a few people at an NRA convention"
Who was that keynote speaker again?

And while we're on the subject, was there a thread at any gun nut forum objecting to Bwana Dick's presence, or speaking out for Kerry? You'd think with all the rootin' tootin' gun totin liberals the RKBA keep claiming exist, there ought to be at least one post somewhere at cesspools like glocksunlocked (the self-styled "land of reason")?

[OpSomBlood]

79. Your point, what is it?

The NRA does not represent all gun owners. There was once a time that it did, but now it has become decidedly right-wing. That's why I tore up my membership, because they have become too entrenched in the Republican agenda.

Seeing only black and white must hurt your eyes.

[MrBenchley]

80. Screamingly obvious...

"Seeing only black and white must hurt your eyes."
If I did it might....but then I'm not the one screaming "You're only picking on Pete Coors because he's a Republican." That was YOU.

And like I said, funny there's no rootin' tootin' liberals sounding off at ANY gun owner on-line cesspools ....

There's no shortage of them and they're rife with anti-Kerry crap....with hardly a word of rebuttal.

[OpSomBlood]

81. On Coors.

Someone posted their "proof" that Pete Coors was peddling beer to kids and in it they used

GIANT BOLD FONT

on the parts discussing his political affiliation and aspirations. The implication there was clear that somehow his political views are directly corellated with his questionable business tactics.

It's like claiming there are no good Republicans. You can disagree with their views without making sweeping generalizations like that. Personally, I know plenty of good Republicans...I just happen to feel that they are misguided on certain issues.

[MrBenchley]

82. Gee, op, that's so touching....

"The implication there was clear that somehow his political views are directly corellated with his questionable business tactics."
You mean like his funding of the far right wing Heritage Foundation to peddle propaganda of the sort you were passing along?

"You can disagree with their views without making sweeping generalizations like that."
Or you can look at the sort of scumbags who found crap like the John Birch Society and draw your own conclusion.

[iverglas]

83. how bad is your memory, really?

Someone posted ...

"Someone"? Surely you have not forgotten my name already.

... their "proof" that Pete Coors was peddling beer to kids and in it they used GIANT BOLD FONT on the parts discussing his political affiliation and aspirations.

Are you capable of making a true statement about anything?

What I posted was proof that Pete Coors is a filthy right-wing Republican.

You have made an allegation: that I posted "<my> 'proof' that Pete Coors was peddling beer to kids".

Would you kindly copy and paste my statement that I was posting the information in question as proof that Pete Coors was peddling beer to kids?

You go ahead and try, but I'm going to go out on a limb and say that you cannot do any such thing. The reason would be that I never stated that I was posting the information in question as proof that Pete Coors was peddling beer to kids.

As you know beyond a shadow of deniability, I posted the information in question as proof that Pete Coors is a filthy right-wing Republican, and as a partial explanation of why I, personally, would not believe a word he said unless there were some other really good reason to believe it.

You have made a false allegation against me. Obviously, I'm not surprised, or even particularly concerned. Looks good on ya; only the very dim or the very disingenuous make such obviously false statements in public.

The dim but decent will retract such statements once their fog is dispelled and the see the error of their ways. The disingenuous seldom do. But they can usually be counted on to come back with some fine diversionary tactic or other. Like my cats; scold one for jumping on the counter, and it will immediately discover a bit of dirty fur that needs scrubbing.

The implication there was clear that somehow his political views are directly corellated with his questionable business tactics.

The OPINION was clear that HE IS A FILTHY RIGHT-WING REPUBLICAN.

What anybody wants to conclude about anything he says, from that fact, is entirely up to him/her. I implied nothing about his business tactics based on his political views. I STATED that I regarded him as NON-CREDIBLE based on those views.

The fact that someone is not credible does not mean that s/he is not telling the truth. And I did not say he was not telling the truth. It also does not mean that s/he does or does not do anything in particular. And I did not say that he did or did not do anything in particular.

I just said that the evidence against him is strong, and the evidence for him -- his very own word of honour -- is weak to non-existent.

It's like claiming there are no good Republicans. You can disagree with their views without making sweeping generalizations like that.

You need to go and find some playmates who are in need of your lectures. Meanwhile, you might note that I said that Pete Coors was a filthy RIGHT-WING Republican. That's called an adjective, and also a qualifier. It describes a particular type of Republican, the FILTHY RIGHT-WING type. The type that wants to violate women's reproductive rights, for starters.

If you actually want to disagree with my characterization of Pete Coors as a FILTHY RIGHT-WING REPUBLICAN, why don't you just do it?

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[MrBenchley]

84. op sure doesn't seem to have any shyness

about throwing out terms like "liberal freeper" to his actual right wing shitheel buddies, does he?

[OpSomBlood]

85. I'm reading your post now.

Your argument was that beer manufacturers are at least partially (although from your tone you seem to think wholly) responsible for what happens when people drink and drive. Your exact words were:

>> I wonder ... how about if irresponsible drunk had driven drunk and killed the family of five sitting by the window of the Krispy Kreme shop he smashed into? And himself, of course.

Well, I'm sure "personal responsibility" would have covered that one too. Those grease-guzzling pre-schoolers would just have got their just desserts, obviously; if they hadn't been filling their faces with crap, they'd still be alive. And their parents should have known that coffee was meant to be hot.

Now, some people would just rather try to prevent harm than blame someone when it happens. Others prefer to say tsk, tsk a lot. <<

You seem to think that when a company manufactures a product that could be dangerously abused, that the company should be held liable. Never mind that there is a safe way to enjoy the product that the abusers choose not to follow.

You then followed that up with your HUGE BOLD FONT political profile of Pete Coors, as though the fact that he's a Republican should clearly implicate him in wrongdoing.

Then when I called you out on the faulty correlation, you and Benchley accused me of fronting for scumbag Republicans.

But I'm glad that you can type dissertations on things that are neither pertinent or interesting.

[iverglas]

87. I seeeeeem to think

Friend, I am not responsible for whatever perceptual or intellectual impairment anyone else may suffer from that interferes with his/her understanding of the things I write. It may seeeeeem to you that I am a pink koala bear, and there is nothing I can do about it ... although I might just question the honesty of anyone's claim that I seem to him/her like any such thing.

You seem to think that when a company manufactures a product that could be dangerously abused, that the company should be held liable.

You seem to think that by copying and pasting what someone wrote and then stating a conclusion that is entirely unsupported by the evidence you offered, you have accomplished something.

You then followed that up with your HUGE BOLD FONT political profile of Pete Coors, as though the fact that he's a Republican should clearly implicate him in wrongdoing.

You then follow that up with yet another claim unsupported by any evidence, as though two unsubstantiated allegations are better than one.

Then when I called you out on the faulty correlation, you and Benchley accused me of fronting for scumbag Republicans.

I didn't do anything when you "called me out on the faulty correlation", because you never did any such thing. You could no more call me out on a faulty correlation than I could praise your candour. You can't hit a baseball with a bat when the only baseball in the vicinity is the one someone says is there, that never was.

And here we go with the diversionary grooming -- a fresh allegation without evidence. I "accused <you> of fronting for scumbag Republicans"? Where might that have been?

But I'm glad that you can type dissertations on things that are neither pertinent or interesting.

Of course you are! What did you imagine anyone thought your aim was if not to present an endless series of stuff that is neither pertinent nor interesting and yet, at the same time, is offensive to anyone who cares about civility of discourse?? Mission accomplished, eh?

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[MrBenchley]

88. One amongst us

is here sniveling about a NYC paper not taking kindly to the NRA klavern and trying to defend his "Poor Pete Coors...unjustly picked on because he's Republican" remarks.

It isn't me or thee....

[MrBenchley]

89. The New York Times weighs in...Targeting Voters in the Worst Way

"Mr. Cheney's personal visit signaled how much of a fence-mending charade the White House is staging to soothe the politically powerful gun lobby. Some N.R.A. members are still miffed at Mr. Bush's ostensible promise — left over from his 2000 campaign — to sign a renewal of the 10-year-old ban on assault weapons if that vitally needed measure should ever manage to be passed by the Republican-controlled Congress. But, of course, the Capitol's pro-gun leadership has already made sure that the president's promise bobs as lifelessly as an election-year decoy.
Banning assault rifles simply protects society from fast-fire attack weapons designed for waging war, not hunting. But Mr. Bush never once pressed Congress to pass the renewal. Instead, he spent his political capital on the gun lobby's outrageous proposal to grant immunity from damage suits to irresponsible gun manufacturers and dealers.
This is the Bush-Cheney team's true record on gun control. Too few voters are aware that the assault weapons ban will certainly expire in September while the president declines to lift a finger to save it. The law's demise looms as another national gun tragedy, even as politicians in both parties calibrate how much more pandering to gun owners will be needed in the hunt for votes in the swing states."

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/20/opinion/20TUE3.html?ex=1083124800&en=ad83aa5b557e3f2d&ei=5006&partner=ALTAVISTA1

[OpSomBlood]

90. How are they "fast-fire" weapons...

When they fire at the same rate as any other semi-automatic firearm, one shot per trigger pull?

Seriously, do you know what an assault rifle is?

[MrBenchley]

92. Ever hear the words "conversion kit?"

They're sold at damn near every gun show.

[OpSomBlood]

93. Please, reseach the topic before speaking with authority.

Are you aware of what is involved in converting a semi-auto rifle to full-auto? Not only are such "kits" not available at gun shows ("Hellfire" type trigger springs are rightfully quite dangerous and illegal), but there would require a significant amount of precision steel milling to make the modifications needed.

Really, I think you need to research the topic a little more.

[MrBenchley]

95. Tell it to somebody who wants to play Rambo...

"Not only are such "kits" not available at gun shows"
Yeah, surrrrrrre.....who ARE you trying to kid?

"Really, I think you need to research the topic a little more."
Really, I don't give a good goddamn for gun nut propaganda.

[OpSomBlood]

96. So you admit that you don't understand the topic.

Because websites that offer the information you need to be an authority on this topic contain "propaganda" that you refuse to read.

Have you ever been to a gun show? Tables are pre-screened by police to look for illegal items. There is a heavy police presence at all times. How would people be able to sell an illegal conversion kit in such an environment?

[MrBenchley]

97. I admit that I really don't give a crap what gun nuts have to say

on pretty much any topic...because I find them a fairly dishonest bunch.

"Because websites that offer the information you need to be an authority on this topic "
Which one would those be? The "Clinton gun ban" site your freeper pal was hawking yesterday? Larry Pratt's Big Fun Page For Racists? The Stentorian?

"Have you ever been to a gun show?"
As it happens, I have.

"Tables are pre-screened by police to look for illegal items."
Are you trying to tell us conversion kits are illegal? It happens that the gunbb lobby fought tooth and nail to make them legal.

http://www.gunpartsusa.com/howto/howtocds.htm

[slackmaster]

98. Tell us what kind of machine gun conversion kits you saw for sale

"Have you ever been to a gun show?"
As it happens, I have.

Details, please.

And then explain why you didn't turn the vendor(s) over to the police.

[slackmaster]

101. Attention MrBenchley - Machinegun conversion kits ARE illegal

Are you trying to tell us conversion kits are illegal?

Yes, a machinegun conversion kit is illegal to possess.

DEPARTMENT OF THE TREASURY
Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms
Washington, D.C. 20226

JUN 7 1994

CC-43,723 FE:JBP

MEMORANDUM TO: Special Agent in Charge
Detroit Field Division

FROM: Associate Chief Counsel
(Firearms And Explosives)

SUBJECT: Policy Clarification -- Conversion Kits

This is in response to your request for an opinion whether a
machine conversion kit is a "firearm" for purposes of the Gun
Control Act of 1968 (GCA), 18 U.S.C. Chapter 44. You advise that
this opinion is sought by the United States District Court for the
Eastern District of Michigan.

For purposes of the GCA, the term "firearm" is defined in 18 U.S.C.
section 921(a)(3) to mean:

(A) any weapon (including a starter gun) which will or is
designed to or may readily be converted to expel a projectile
by the action of an explosive; (B) the frame or receiver of
any such weapon; (C) any firearm muffler or firearm silencer;
or (D) any destructive device...

Machinegun conversion kits are not among the items defined as
firearms by section 921(a)(3). Therefore, machine gun conversion
kits are not subject to regulation as firearms under the GCA. For
example, a person engaged in the business of dealing only in such
kits would not be required to obtain a license as a dealer in
firearms under the GCA. Also, a person who transferred a
machinegun conversion kit to a felon or other person prohibited
from receiving or possessing firearms would not violate 18 U.S.C.
section 922(d), nor would the prohibited person's receipt or
possession of the kit violate 18 U.S.C. section 922(g).

- 2 -

Special Agent in Charge
Detroit Field Division

However, machinegun conversion kits are within the definition of
"machinegun" for purposes of the GCA and are, therefore, subject to
all GCA controls imposed upon "machineguns". For GCA purposes, the
definition of "machinegun" in 18 U.S.C. section 921(a)(23)
incorporates the definition of such term in the National Firearms
Act, 26 U.S.C. section 5845(b). As defined by section 5845(b),
"machinegun" means, among other things, "any . . . combination of
parts designed and intended, for use in converting a weapon into a
machinegun", i.e., a machinegun conversion kit. Thus, under the
GCA, a machinegun conversion kit is, for example, a machinegun
subject to the prohibition with respect to possession and transfer
of machineguns in 18 U.S.C. section 922(o) and the prohibition in
18 U.S.C. section (a)(4) against transporting machineguns
interstate without the approval of the Secretary of the Treasury.

Please advise if you have any questions regarding this opinion.




Jack B. Patterson (underlining added for emphasis)

http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs.cmu.edu/usr/wbardwel/public/nfalist/atf_letter37.txt

[slackmaster]

94. Add that one to the list of non-sexual fantasies

Yeah, and European smokeless gunpowders contain taggants.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=44507&mesg_id=44563&page=

And the Roman Catholic Church supports gay rights.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=20608&mesg_id=20675&page=

And the draft Iraqi constitution says "All gun owners must be registered and all guns licensed."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=49018&mesg_id=49135&page=

And a man wearing a turtleneck shirt in April is proof that we need more gun control.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=51444&mesg_id=51611

[slackmaster]

91. I guess we'd better get used to daily doses of disinformation

Banning assault rifles simply protects society from fast-fire attack weapons designed for waging war, not hunting.

It's assault WEAPONS not rifles, you dildoes. And they were designed for the civilian sporting arms market.

No military force anywhere in the world deploys for combat use any item classified as an "assault weapon" in US law.

You'd think the New York Times, the nations premier newspaper in the eyes of many, could do a better job of printing accurate information in its editorials. What a shame they allow themselves to be a pipeline for propaganda!

:argh:

[MrBenchley]

100. Funniest part of this is....

Bwana Dick was so afraid of these "responsible, law-abiding gun owners" that he wouldn't go near them until they filed through metal detectors...

Guess he knows what the rest of us do...even if he won't say it.