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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 11:42 AM
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Hastings: Israel had “no other choice”
By Michael C. Bender | Monday, December 29, 2008, 03:53 PM


From U.S. Rep. Alcee Hastings, D-Miramar, this afternoon:

It is regrettable that in response to Hamas’ refusal to negotiate with Israel and continue its ceasefire, Israel was forced into this situation. Hamas has chosen war over peace. Israel has but no other choice to respond and protect its citizens.

Continue reading for the full statement.

U.S. Representative Alcee L. Hastings (D-Miramar) issued the following statement today regarding on-going events in Israel and the Gaza Strip:

“I, like so many others, am deeply troubled by the on-going events in Israel and the Gaza Strip.

“It is regrettable that in response to Hamas’ refusal to negotiate with Israel and continue its ceasefire, Israel was forced into this situation. Hamas has chosen war over peace. Israel has but no other choice to respond and protect its citizens.

more: http://www.palmbeachpost.com/blogs/content/shared-blogs/palmbeach/floridapolitics/entries/2008/12/29/hastings_israel_had_no_other_c.html
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 11:43 AM
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1. Bullshit. They both had other choices
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 11:44 AM
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2. yep, this was by choice, and there were plenty of other options
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PCIntern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 11:54 AM
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4. Name some..please.
I'm just curious...
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snappyturtle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 12:06 PM
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9. Well, honor the part of the cease-fire arrangement to gradually reduce
economic sanctions. To my knowledge that never happened until last Friday when Israel allowed a few trucks into Gaza and some say it was to appear to the world that they weren't starving the Gazans. Now they have halted the Dignity, a relief ship from Cypress. Did they appeal to the U.N.? Rice? Anybody? Did they allow Fatah in? IMHO Israel did not seem to have exhausted all diplomatic efforts to avoid this one sided destruction.

I am disgusted by the great loss of life, the wink and nod of our present administration and the thwarting of relief efforts, both diplomatic and in receipt of real services and goods. imho
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 01:15 PM
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17. well, just for starters
Not bombing Gaza, and actually trying to work with Hamas.
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Vegasaurus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 01:20 PM
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18. Work with Hamas?
How exactly?

Hamas is sworn to Israel's destruction.

They say they will never recognize Israel, and certainly not negotiate.

So, how might one "work with' Hamas?
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 01:26 PM
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20. I'm not taking sides mind you... Hamas has to work with Israel as well
it has to be mutual. And as long as both sides swear to each other's destruction, there will be only violence.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 02:18 PM
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22. Shit, if Israel wants to go all Dirty Harry they could have sent in assasins
Instead of carpet bombs...
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ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 09:13 PM
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36. They did not carpet bomb and Spec Ops would not have worked
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Vegasaurus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 02:40 PM
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25. Hamas has never tried anything but violence
If they did, there would be a mutual response on the other side, or at least I would hope so.
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 03:24 PM
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29. there are two sides to every coin
and Hamas is not alone. Israel has shown itself to be just as violent, if not more, given their military superiority.
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PCIntern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 06:55 PM
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32. What?
It's just hopeless...
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 07:04 PM
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33. if you can't see that...
... then, yes it is.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 11:56 AM
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5. and that is the problem, why those other choices won't be used /nt
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 12:02 PM
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7. Indeed they did...
I'm really sick of this whole thing.

And I'm particularly sick of the fact that so many American munitions have gone into this... not to mention the constant flow of money. Borrowing money from one country to GIVE to another is about as stupid as it gets. Especially when we see how willfully ignorant these beasts are being.

Waa... he hit me first! I tried to talk, but he hit me!

There's just no high road in the ME I guess.
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Idealism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 11:49 AM
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3. Bullshit.
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snappyturtle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 11:56 AM
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6. Astounding ignorance. nt
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 12:19 PM
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11. But that is precisely what the MSM psyops say. Do you hear anything about blockades? No.
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Orwellian_Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 12:03 PM
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8. I think
Alcee could acknowledge that the bombs have tags on them and those tags may very well trace back to Lockheed Martin, Raytheon, etc.

Not holding my breath.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 12:11 PM
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10. Of course they do. The US (and the Democratic Pary) is committed to ensuring that
Edited on Tue Dec-30-08 12:11 PM by Freddie Stubbs
Israel retains a qualitative edge for its national security and its right to self-defense, is all the more important as we contend with growing threats in the region–a strengthened Iran, a chaotic Iraq, the resurgence of Al Qaeda, the reinvigoration of Hamas and Hezbollah.
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ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 09:11 PM
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35. Some will, certainly the GBU-39s
But Israel also makes a lot of ordnance in country and exports a lot as well, some even to the US.
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 12:35 PM
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12. That oughta be worth a few thousand AIPAC bucks.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 12:44 PM
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14. AIPAC does not donate money to political campaigns
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 12:55 PM
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15. OK. A little more precise
AIPAC is not a political action committee and does not give out money itself. But it is a sort of central coordinating committee that tips Jewish American organizations as to where it thinks campaign contributions neeed to go. Because a lot of wealthy individuals contributed to Hilliard as individuals, the true amount AIPAC directed his way was probably double the conservative estimate above. Fleischauer writes, "Davis' receipts skyrocketed. By May 15, 2002, Davis was up to $446,821. Of the 517 individual contributions to Davis in the weeks surrounding the fundraisers, only four came from Alabamians."

http://www.juancole.com/2004/09/aipac-spy-case-involves-intelligence.html
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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 02:24 PM
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24. Thank you
AIPAC is not a contributor its a distributor
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Dougiefresh43537 Donating Member (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 12:37 PM
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13. Israel thrives politically on this conflict!
Couldn't Israel manage rocket attacks by creating a no-go zone beyond the borders of Gaza? This would serve to diffuse the effect of the rocket launchers and take this irritant out of the conflict.

It seems that Israel doesn't take the logical steps to diffuse the conflict because it thrives politically on this conflict!
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Kurska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 01:12 PM
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16. If you extend the border forward hams would just extend the range and launch from the cities.
Edited on Tue Dec-30-08 01:12 PM by Kurska
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Dougiefresh43537 Donating Member (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 03:03 PM
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26. What if Israel made it a no-go (DMZ-type) zone?
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 01:24 PM
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19. again Israel wins stunning support from our officials
sickening.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 01:56 PM
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21. It is the official policy of the Democratic Party to support Israel
Edited on Tue Dec-30-08 01:57 PM by Freddie Stubbs
Just read the platform.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 02:23 PM
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23. this maybe my ignorance to the problem
but why can't we support both sides? Palestinians and Israelis, can't we be an objective partner?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 03:07 PM
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27. Because Israel has a bigger lobby.
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Dougiefresh43537 Donating Member (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 03:09 PM
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28. Money > Morals > Rock > Paper > Scissors
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 03:49 PM
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30. Of course they do. There are more Democratic voters who support Israel than Democratic voters who
support the Palestinians.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 04:50 PM
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31. There is more money in the Israeli lobby.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 08:54 PM
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34. Oh course. That is simply a function of there being more supporters of Israel
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