OMG: Repukes SCREWED Up & Kerry Wins!!!

[IdaBriggs]

Voter Fraud in Florida & Ohio: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=1292142#1292350

538 Electoral Votes Total - 47 for Florida & Ohio because of CONTESTING THEM = Must Have 246 out of 591 (I think?) and Kerry WINS.

The IDIOTS got STUPID about only messing with the election results in Ohio and Florida!!!

Somebody check the math -- I'm in SHOCK!!!

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[jackstraw45]

1. What are you smoking? i want some too....

I didn't know DU had the power to strip EV from Bush....

[NewYorkerfromMass]

2. It is really weird

twice in 4 years the exit polls are off in FLorida.
It's so fucked.

[Walt Starr]

3. It would be 246 if no electoral votes from Florida or Ohio are cast

4. Are you suggesting that contested states do not count?

1)Start with 538 EC possible.

2)Contest Florida and Ohio (47 total EC).

3)Deduct the contested EC from the total (538-47=491)

4)246 is more than 50% of the remaining EC

5)Assuming Kerry has 246 EC, he claims a victory?

I think your logic breaks down on point number #3. Contesting a state does not remove it from the total required toearn the Presidency.

Or does it?

Does anyone know?

[LisaL]

5. No, it doesn't.

Remeber Florida in 2000?
It counted.

[IdaBriggs]

7. There was more to it than that --

Remember what happened in Florida last time? The big fear was that their votes WOULD NOT BE ACCEPTED, only no Senator would support the Congressional Black Caucus. Think that's going to happen this time? NOT!!!

Voter fraud is being alleged with some serious proof. If it is true, then our guys REFUSE TO ALLOW THE ELECTORAL VOTES FOR THOSE STATES WHERE FRAUD IS ALLEGED, bringing down the total number required for a "majority" to 246 (math -- ?) AND KERRY WINS.

The IDIOTS got cocky, and only screwed with Florida and Ohio (see the thread in the original post), making 'proving' fraud pretty damn easy. KERRY WINS.

They got arrogant, and they SCREWED UP. YEAH!!!

[Walt Starr]

6. Only if unresolved by January 6, 2005

That's the only way.

Mark my words, Kerry will concede long before January 6.

[IdaBriggs]

8. No, I don't think so. I need to go pull up my constitution!

I'm basing a lot of this on my memory of Florida 2000! :)

[IdaBriggs]

9. Text of the 12th Amendment -- ENJOY!!!

The electors shall meet in their respective states and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves;

they shall name in their ballots the person voted for as President, and in distinct ballots the person voted for as Vice-President, and they shall make distinct lists of all persons voted for as President, and of all persons voted for as Vice-President, and of the number of votes for each, which lists they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate;

--The President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted;

--the person having the greatest number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of electors appointed;

and if no person have such majority, then from the persons having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those voted for as President, the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President.

But in choosing the President, the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote; a quorum for this purpose shall consist of a member or members from two-thirds of the states, and a majority of all the states shall be necessary to a choice.

And if the House of Representatives shall not choose a President whenever the right of choice shall devolve upon them, before the fourth day of March next following, then the Vice-President shall act as President, as in the case of the death or other constitutional disability of the President. The person having the greatest number of votes as Vice-President, shall be the Vice-President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of electors appointed, and if no person have a majority, then from the two highest numbers on the list, the Senate shall choose the Vice-President; a quorum for the purpose shall consist of two-thirds of the whole number of Senators, and a majority of the whole number shall be necessary to a choice. But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.

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Stuff from Florida 2000!!!

“While Vice President Al Gore appeared to have accepted his fate contained in two wooden ballot boxes, Democratic members of the Congressional Black Caucus tried repeatedly to challenge the assignment of Florida's 25 electoral votes to Bush…. More than a dozen Democrats followed suit, seeking to force a debate on the validity of Florida's vote on the grounds that all votes may not have been counted and that some voters were wrongly denied the right to vote.” Susan Milligan, “It’s Really Over: Gore Bows Out Gracefully,” Boston Globe, January 7, 2001.

The Congressional Black Caucus effort failed for “lack of the necessary signature by any senator.” Sen. Minority Leader Tom Daschle (D-SD) had previously advised Democratic senators not to cooperate. ‘They did not.’” Robert Novak, “Sweeney Link Won't Help Chao,” Chicago Sun-Times, January 14, 2001.