Kerry's flip flops

[linazelle]

I didn't want Kerry to be the presidential candidate. I wanted Dean or Clark. I did not admire either Kerry or Edwards because both voted for the war--or for Bush to get approval for it anyway. I knew the war was a lie from day one and anybody with a brain should have too. Kerry's vote for war said to me he was a politician more than anything else--that he was too easily compromised.

When Dean was set up, I was disappointed. But I bit my tongue here at DU as threads flamed about Kerry. Just as it was obvious to me that the war in Iraq was a lie, it was equally apparent that that "they" let Kerry win the primaries. If they had to run against one of us, they would pick the one that could be most easily destroyed. They couldn't do that to Dean and not as much to Clark.

But like everybody here, I eventually came around. I found reasons to like Kerry. I admired that he was down in the primaries and, when faced with losing, had the gumption to dump his campaign manager, jump on a motorcyle and make a big entrance on the Leno show, effectively changing his whole image. I thought, this man's at least a fighter. He wants this thing. He believes in himself and therefore I will believe in him.

When they started calling him a flip flopper I bit my tongue again though I thought there was some truth to that label--due to the war vote.

By the time the conventions rolled around and Kerry and Edwards told us hope was on the way, I had cast all doubt aside. For us who have been doing nothing but hoping for years now, that Bush would be sent back to Texas, that was all we needed to hear.

Hope is a lifesaver. It displaces inertia. It mobilizes people. It keeps people alive. Kerry proved himself to be the biggest flip flopper of all by withdrawing that promise when he pulled out early from the race.

Now I'm beginning to realize that I should have trusted my first mind. He was simply the opportunist I thought him to be all along.

I know that he would have had a difficult time with a majority RW senate and congress. But that does not excuse him from withdrawing before all votes were even in. For all I know, he really did shoot himself to earn those medals. For all I know now, his critics were right.

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

1. No.

Don't eat that lotus.

[Mick Knox]

2. He didnt get shot in vietnam

Please educate yourself - he didnt shoot himself or get shot at all. It was shrapnel.

Only thing you prove is you fell for it.. .and an example of why he lost - uneducated gullibility.

[linazelle]

3. I don't prove that I fell for anything...I had doubts and they are growing

now.

[Mick Knox]

4. Yep, and others had it before

Nov 2.

Its why we lost - the GOP machine crammed so much BS down our throats - some had to stick, even with "supporters".

I'm just saying its an example of why we lost - and it is. We both voted JK, its not our fault - but it is why we lost.

[smbolisnch]

5. I understand your anger.....

I think it is misplaced however. I cannot believe that any other candidate could have or would have been able to defeat the frightening mindset of the American People. Unfortunately, the apparent majority in this country has either been brainwashed to believe that * is their savior or has conveniently forgotten that he may very well be the downfall of this country....and others for that matter. Whatever the reason, Kerry gave me and hundreds of thousands of others hope. I am grateful to him for that. I could not have imagined on Monday night that * would be in office for another 4 years.

Be mad, yes. Get mad as hell.....just make sure you put it to good use and get right back out there and help our party to get bigger, better and stronger for 2008. Don't let misguided hindsight snuff that drive to keep fighting! We are all hurting right now but we need to stay focused and keep working towards change!

:hug:

[linazelle]

9. I know the majority of people don't have that mindset...and I know the

majority didn't vote for Bush either. That's why Kerry should have fought this.

[KharmaTrain]

12. Well Put...I Don't Think It's Getting Across

Too many raw nerves here, "youthful exuberance" and outright frustration to attempt to play the blame game and hold pity parties.

As much as Kerry lost the election on Tuesday, I now see this Party or those who claim to be part of it pulling out their knives and looking for anything, anyone to blame. I guess this is natural. I'm mad, but I know there's another day and maybe there will be some salvation here...something that can be used to build either a future for the Democratic party or some other.

I purposely avoided supporting any of the candidates during the primaries as I didn't feel any of them had all the "tools" to go up against this regime...including Kerry, but at least in his case here was one candidate who could, and did, rally the others. I couldn't see Clarkies becoming Deaniacs or Kucinich backers or visa versa. And truth be known, the antics of their "supporters" here are doing more to turn me off on these candidates in the future than to make me want to turn to them as some sort of light in the dark.

Let's cool off here and take that anger into positive actions. All I see here is negative and a rush to judgement...not serious introspection.

[Redleg]

6. It's so damned easy to blame Kerry because everyone else is doing it

Don't let these media fuck-wits and republican shills make you hate Kerry. Kerry didn't lose this thing. We (America) allowed Bush to screw us.

[linazelle]

7. I haven't listened the media for two days and I plan not to for two years

So the media isn't the cause for my disillusionment. Yes the RWers caused Kerry to lose but you don't have to lose by laying down and rolling up into a ball like Kerry did. Put up a fight for chrissake.

[Redleg]

8. How was he going to fight? To hold out on the count in Ohio?

By the way, some folks are showing some discrepancies in voting in Florida- perhaps someone will be able to show Busy stole this fucker.

[Obviousman]

10. he won the election before he lost it....

:eyes:

[linazelle]

11. Uhhh yeah...whatever that means

:eyes:

[Obviousman]

13. explanation

kerry really won, but he didnt fight for it. sorry, im just a little dissapointed