In Bushworld, it is possible for something bad to turn out good.....

[kentuck]

except when it is Karla Faye Tucker or someone that Mr. Bush executed in his stint as Governor. Their "original sin" could never be forgiven. It did not matter if they had accepted Jesus. They had to pay for what they had done. Except with Mr Bush, his "original sin" of lying to the American people and invading a country that was not a threat to us and killing thousands of innocent people should now be forgiven? The man is a walking contradiction.

[rkc3]

1. Your missing the point.

The prevailing philospohy of RW nutties is this:

Whatever I did prior to being saved doesn't count. Whatever I do after being saved doesn't matter either - I've been saved.

Karla Faye Tucker was plain white trash to georgie - she would never be in a position to bail him out or get him a better seat at the table so regardless of when she accepted Jeebus into her life she was going to fry.

[rodeodance]

3. but the idea of tucker with original sin never being forgiven is a good

thought. I had not looked at it like this before.

[leftofthedial]

5. bingo

religious belief is an elaborate set of delusions used all to frequently to rationalize the worst human behavior and an utter lack of "morals"


you want to find the biggest concentration of adulterous, low-life, lying, cheating, thieving, miserable, self-rationalizing scum in any small town, just hang out at the Baptist Church. Or the catholic rectory.

[kentuck]

6. Well......that is true....

"...you want to find the biggest concentration of adulterous, low-life, lying, cheating, thieving, miserable, self-rationalizing scum in any small town, just hang out at the Baptist Church..." :)

[nickgutierrez]

2. I offer up one small amendment to that

They believe that they have the right to define good and bad. That is, they believe that nothing they do is 'bad', simply because it is them that is doing it.

For instance, we are to believe that the Iraq war was good not because it had any solid justification, or because it had any real moral authority in and of itself, but because the men that started the war were such "good and moral men" that nothing they do can possibly be detrimental.

The problem with this idea is that it's based on a perception of morality that involves, for one thing, moral relativism, something that the right supposedly is opposed to, in that a life lost during war is somehow less important than a life lost "in the homeland". Another principle that it's based on is the idea of unquestioned superiority -- the idea that we need not know why * and his people plan to do these things, but we're supposed to trust him to ensure that it all works out for the improvement of our society. The 'shepherd leading the flock', if you will.

Of course, the more you question, the less you actually believe any of the crap * peddles... but that's another story.

[welshTerrier2]

4. "should now be forgiven?"

i'm not sure what your point is here ... bush has not asked for forgiveness, has he? he's blamed the intelligence community for all HIS mistakes regarding WMD in Iraq ...

and to answer the question from your subject line, "NO", it is not possible for something bad to turn out good in bushWorld ... if implicit in your question is some implication about democracy in Iraq, bushWorld by definition will result in colonial exploitation of Iraqi oil supplies and perhaps just as importantly, Iraqi water supplies ... corporate hegemony is always the objective in bushWorld ...

[applegrove]

7. I saw it written somewhere .. and forgive me for not remembering

but the if the "road to hell is paved with good intentions" is the "road to heaven paved with bad intentions"? Not quite sure that I believe Bush to be heading towards heaven in the Middle East.

But you never know. As soon as USA said "do not let our petro dollars pay the terrorists" then the sun started to shine. And Bush will take credit for the whole thing.