What state would Hillary win that Gore or Kerry didn't carry?

[fujiyama]

Kerry lost two states (NM and IA) Gore officially won (3 if you count Florida...) and won one that Gore lost (NH - maybe two if you count OH), but what state would Hillary carry that either of them couldn't?

AR you say? Nope, there have been several stories indicating that she isn't very popular there. She can hardly be considered an Arkansas native at this point. She's a senator from NY...Next...

OH? Not very likely. This is a right leaning state that was close because of a massive amount of resources put into it and a really terrible economic situation. Clinton carried it BARELY in '92. I don't know the margin in '96, but Gore and Kerry both lost by smaller margins. There's very little reason to believe she could take this state, especially against a halfway charismatic puke (I'm not talking Frist here). Even someone like "Latin for Asshole" Santorum might connect well with fundy types.

NM? Maybe, but it's a small state...won't win it by itself...

IA? Seems to be trending rightward. Huge push by the pukes to get fundies out. I don't think that'll stop after this election.

NV? No.

Instead I could see her losing PA and WI, and maybe even MI.

I still stand by my original assessment - she'd be a disaster.

[HughBeaumont]

1. THANK YOU.

She would definitely turn MI and WI red and she would never win Ohio. Sorry, but the rural areas here are too numerous, unfortunately.

Hillary is too polarizing, pro-corporate, pro-Condosleeza, pro-offshoring and comes with far too much baggage to escape Rove and his dirty tricks. Don't let Roger Ailes and his propagandist cabal choose our candidates FOR us.

[bowens43]

2. You got that right.

Hillary has absolutely no chance of winning in the general election. She is despised by a large percentage of liberals ,most moderates and all conservatives.

With Hillary there is no 'base'.

[bunkerbuster1]

5. All her base are belong to them!

sorry, had to write that.

[GOPBasher]

3. None. She'd also lose some that Gore and Kerry won. nt

[CTyankee]

4. what we need

is someone who is new on the national scene. Someone (I forget who, DUers help me out here!)commented that any politician who has been known nationally for 15 years or more cannot win the presidency, too much baggage. With the Senate, it's too many votes that are public record and we know how those votes can be completely distorted by the oppo.

This suggests, again, the governor of a state that has not been too well known by most Americans (e.g. Bill Clinton when he was governor of Arkansas). If we get the Arnold S. amendment, that governor could be Jennifer Granholm. Or perhaps Janet Napolitano. I would hope we could have a woman run for Pres. or VP in 2008, but sadly, I think the posters here are correct: Hillary would lose more than she would win.

[saltpoint]

6. I would like Hillary Clinton to resign from her Senate seat --

-- and undertake a global peace project, headquartered in Africa.

I defend her against Hannity/Limbaugh etc. when they pick on her, but I can't vote for her in the primaries.

It's interesting that she and Rudy have the high name recognition for early presidential polls, and that both are probably unelectable.

[Padraig18]

7. None. n/t

[riverwalker]

8. Stop shoving Hillary at us

Please.
She is a great Senator and person, but not my candidate for president.

[John_H]

9. Dif.ferent dynamic in 08

I's agree with you if the election were held next tuesday, but America is going to have 3 and 3/4 more years of the chimp. If there is no 9-11 repeat, my gut tells me that chimp will wear thin on all but the dimmest americans. People who pay even a little attention will start to get it.

At present, she's not my #1, but I wouldn't be shocked if whoever we nominate beats whomever they select by a healthy margin.

Broken Record time: This whole discussion is moot if the Dems do not get rid of the 0-3 losers who staff the party.

[DU9598]

10. Iowa

I disagree that Iowa is trending right. Yes, we lost the Kerry race here, but we picked up seats in both the state house and senate so now the senate is 25/25 and the house is 51/49. We lost the Kerry race because Bush dumped money on the state and spent every other day here. The biggest mistake was the state party failed to have a challenger to Sen. Grassley, so we missed out on having that statewide organization. In 2008 Sen. Harkin will be running for re-election at the top of the ticket and his statewide organization will ensure that Iowa is once again BLUE.

[benny05]

11. I think the Polls are Very Misleading

I think half of the people who say they are Dems or want Hilliary to run are the same folks who wanted Kerry to run, then it turns out they are Republicans so that they find someone who could easily defeat her. She's not popular among Republicans except in her state.

I'm not so certain that her movement towards the right has to do with running for President as it does in keeping her senate seat at this juncture. One has to remember that while she is very popular in NYC, she has to keep upstaters in mind who have not been so crazy about her. She is saying things people want to hear, maybe not doing them though, sort of like W.

I think the 2006 race will tell us a lot about whether or not she will decide to keep moving right or not on policy. She's always been a policy wonk, even more so than her husband was.

To answer the question if she could pick up any states that voted for W last time, hmm possibly Colorado.