Poll: two-thirds of Dean voters don't want Kerry or Gore in '08

[quaoar]

http://www.kesq.com/Global/story.asp?S=3176464

Poll: Two-thirds of Dean activists don't want Kerry or Gore to run in 2008


WASHINGTON A poll of Howard Dean's online activists from his 2004 presidential campaign contains few surprises.

Two-thirds of them say they don't want Al Gore or John Kerry, the Democratic Party's nominees from 2000 and 2004, to run for president in 2008.

Their top choice is Dean, who's currently chairman of the Democratic National Committee.

Illinois Senator Barack Obama (buh-RAHK' oh-BAH'-muh), former North Carolina Senator John Edwards and New York Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton got the most other support for a 2008 run, with Kerry and Gore far behind.

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[jsw_81]

1. Two-thirds of Dean activists could fit in a broom closet

They're dreaming if they think Howard Dean will ever win our nomination.

[Upfront]

5. Dreaming

You are dreaming if you think any DLC canidate will get our vote! Dean looks better every day.

[saracat]

25. Excuse me? Dean IS a DLC candidate. He is far more in line

with the DLC than Kerry OR Edwards. Dean is far more centrist than Kerry who is a liberal. Dean is NOT looking better every day. He is looking more wimpy. He has barely opened his mouth on ANYTHING. And lately he has been kissing up to the moderates and Pro-lifers. That is DLC philosophy. That is right out of the From playbook. Dean has gone back to his roots when he was selected the fifth most conservative governor in the nation.
Kerry, on the otherhand ,has been standing up for everything from healthcare to the Arctic. I heard Edwards speak the other night and he took on a roomful of Republicans and wouldn't back down an inch. He said the President was"out of touch with reality" and had the WRONG priorities". Neither of these two deserve to be called Republican lite candidates. Nor are they parroting DLC.

[WI_DEM]

28. You haven't paid much attention to Dean's statements since

becoming DNC Chair if you say he has "barely opened his mouth on anything."

[saracat]

30. I should amend that a bit. But he hasn't even bit as visable as

McAuliffe was. And I didn't care for much of what he did say. I WILL NOT reach out to pro-lifers. Call me a one issue voter if you like, but I do not agree with reaching out to these people.

[madfloridian]

34. Ok, tell us what he said that you don't like.

Please provide something like a link. And don't start on the reaching out to pro-life. He is not one to go back on his beliefs. He will reach for them but he won't give in. The others might, he won't.

[saracat]

42. I am not going to look up this stuff and it is the "reaching out bit "as

well as the religious bit that annoys me. I am sure he won't "give in" that isn't the point. It is the impression I don't care for. I explained it. I don't believe in "reaching out". The good Doctor and I will have to disagree. Big deal.

[Freddie Stubbs]

96. Howard Dean: We are not the pro-abortion party

http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/news/local/states/pennsylvania/11273047.htm

[Mass]

98. You have a problem??

Abortion safe, legal and rare.

I have no problem with that. We must help women avoid unwanted pregnancies by have correct access to birth control and helping mothers who want to keep their babies to have the economic conditions that will allow it.

my only regret is that this should be obvious.

[Freddie Stubbs]

103. I certainly don't

But a number of DUers did last week when Dean said this.

[Eloriel]

46. Just so you know

There's a lot objectionable and just plain wrong about your post and your attitude in general. I'm going to leave it all alone in favor of a SINGLE, excruciatingly importnat ITEM:

Dean IS a DLC candidate. He is far more in line"
with the DLC than Kerry OR Edwards.

That's just plain ignorant, Saracat. It's ignorant of Dean, it's ignorant of the DLC. You're embarrassing yourself on account of the ignorance.

It's fine to dislike Dean, idolize Kerry and Edwards (pardon me while I :puke: ), but for Pete's sake, get your goddamned FACTS straight, will ya? The DLC hated and openly demonized Dean, hated and openly insulted his supporters, and in general made it very clear that Dean was persona non gratis with them no matter WHAT happened all those years ago. There is no "From Playbook" re anything Dean except how to TRY to get rid of him.

You're entitled to your own opinions, not your own facts. There IS no connection between Dean and the DLC. If there once was (and I question how strong it was), there is no more.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

74. [insert] letter from Al From and Bruce Reed:

What activists like Dean call the Democratic wing of the Democratic Party is an aberration...




http://www.ndol.org/ndol_ci.cfm?kaid=127&subid=900056&contentid=251690

[Carolab]

87. Read this, saracat, and see how the DLC is ATTACKING Dr. Dean

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/0404-06.htm

[Sean Reynolds]

58. Dean IS DLC and Kerry isn't?

Last I checked Kerry was a member of the DLC and Dean wasn't. He left the DLC a while back.....

[madfloridian]

11. Quit doing that and read the Pew research I posted in GD.

There are more Dean activists than you can imagine in your dream...where you wish there were none. They just are not at DU. They got run away.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3436283

[Carolab]

13. Thanks madfloridian

You are SO right.

And--CHECK OUT THE DEMOGRAPHICS WHILE YOU'RE READING THE PEW STUDY--

THE "SMART MONEY" IS/WAS ALWAYS ON DEAN.

Gore failed us; Kerry failed us.

Howard Dean is the ONLY one out there that is STILL WORKING HIS ASS OFF for us.

[KoKo]

21. Gore Fought! Kerry turned tail and ran....Not in the same boat or

category. As much as I might wish Gore had been stronger, I won't tar him with Kerry/Edwards.

He was a better man who phoned the Chimp to reverse the "Selection" on Election night.

Kerry barely took 24 hours before he caved and left the "vote" to folks on DU mostly and elsewhere to parse through the Election Numbers in Ohio.

Dean was dissed. Do I think he could have won the election...frankly in hindsight, I don't know. But I do know that millions of us were forced to vote for candidates who've barely been seen since.

I don't need that. Another wasted vote? I'll vote Green before I give another vote to weak candidates like Kerry/Edwards.

But Gore....was a different story altogether. His memory shouldn't be trashed because he was caught off guard by the Bushie Gestapo tactics.

It's Kerry/Edwards who didn't learn from what happened to Gore and I blame THEM for their lack of vision when Dean/Kucinich/Moseley-Braun/Sharpton were trying to tell them how to win. They wanted to do it their way with polls and some blind idiotic trust that the "Corporate Media" wouldn't lie and distort and be embedded with the Bush Criminals.

They misjudjed BIG TIMe. Gore didn't have the luxury of "hindsight" like Kerry/Edwards did. I won't ever blame him for their loss. :nuke:

[Carolab]

22. Okay, I'll acknowledge that Gore at least fought.

Whereas Kerry and Edwards just gave us empty promises.

[Donald Ian Rankin]

93. There may well be good reasons

Not to support Kerry and Edwards, but not fighing on after they'd lost the 2004 election is not one of them.

If they had done so, the only effect would have been for the electorate to see the Democratic party refusing to accept defeat gracefully, and looking like bad losers.

In 2000, the Democrats would have won had all the votes been counted, and there was a real chance of achieving that.

In 2004, Bush's majority was too large for there to have been any chance of overturning it, and to claim otherwise is to let wishful thinking get in the way of objectivity. Kerry and Edwards did the right thing. The problem was not the election, which while quite possibly severely flawed was not flawed enough to change the result, it was the electorate.

It's very comforting to believe that the election was stolen, but the hard truth is that Kerry lost square, even if not fair. To win in 2008, it will not be enough, or even terribly important, to change the voting methods; what will be needed is to change the attidutes of the voters.

[Catamount]

83. Kerry has been working constantly behind the scenes, I enclose latest

letter to me in regard to keeping Bolton out of office.


Early this afternoon, Senator Harry Reid, the Democratic Leader of the United States Senate, held a press conference on the steps of the U.S. Supreme Court.

Thanks to you, there were a million people standing there with him.

That's how many dedicated individuals signed petitions and newspaper ads supporting Senator Reid's determined efforts to prevent Republican leaders from undermining democracy by making judicial nominations a narrow, one-party exercise.

I am proud to report that 236,498 of those signatures were submitted by you and other members of the johnkerry.com community. We added our nearly quarter of a million names to those collected by the Democratic National Committee, MoveOn.org and other citizens' groups.

We're acting together because we know what kind of judges will sit on the bench if George W. Bush never needs a single Democratic vote to win their confirmation. And we know what kind of decisions those judges will make - decisions that will define the meaning of freedom for decades to come.

Thank you so much for standing together with over a million other citizens in this effort.

We still have a lot of work to do before the Republican leaders abandon their so-called "nuclear option." But, you helped make a powerful statement yesterday when 2.1 million people saw our ad in USA Today - and today when you stood on the steps of the Supreme Court with Senator Reid.

Sincerely,

John Kerry




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m still impressed with him and will not stop my support!

[kevsand]

43. Well, not the ONLY one...

...but certainly doing a fine job, nonetheless. I think he's trying to move the party in the right direction, and I commend him for his vision and commitment in that regard. We all need to pitch in at the local level to help him rebuild the party from the ground up, coast to coast, and everywhere in between...

[FreedomAngel82]

18. Dean can't run though

He's DNC chair and I don't think chairmen can run can they? Has that ever happened before? I, personally, do no want Mrs. Clinton to run in 2008 and be our canidate. All the other people I'm fine with and I respect Mrs. Clinton but she's too centrist for a canidate for 2008. After Bush we need someone who isn't so much like him or any other republican.

[kerrygoddess]

41. I think if the same study was done

on Kerry activists the numbers would be very similar. There were an anful lot of Kerry activists early on, but they did not get the same media coverage as Dean's did during the early primary season. Thus everyone was shocked when Kerry won Iowa. As far a demographics on activists, very similar numbers and experiences, I am sure.

Kerry motivated a lot of people but Kerry activists handled themselves differently on line as well. While Deaniacs were busy bickering online on Dean's blog, Kerry activists were keeping tight support on his. It made a difference.

All in all it's awesome that so many people got involved and so many people have stayed involved. The key now is to get everyone to work together and stay on message.

Democrats don't do a good job staying on message. We need to do better on that front.

[madfloridian]

51. All Deaniacs did was bicker at the blog? Kerry activists were good?

Do not get me started. Just don't. One never bickered at the Kerry blog or one got deleted. We worked our butts off for Kerry, so stop it.

Stop putting us down. This is exactly why I get all the bad feelings here. I am one of the few left at all, the others gave up.

[kerrygoddess]

68. It's called staying on message...

And it's something that Democrats need to learn to do. That is part and parcel why the Republicans have successfully grown their base over the years. It's not a put down. There was a distinct difference and it's a shame that people can't learn from the experience.

[WI_DEM]

26. Right off the bat, I see

Dean isn't running, he is the DNC Chairman and doing a great job. And his supporters did a great job in 2004 and changed American politics for the better. By the way, if you read the article it also says that most of Dean's online supporters also supported and contributed to John Kerry after he won the nomination.

[wyldwolf]

38. Poll: 2/3 of Star Trek conventioneers don't want Kerry or Gore in '08

They prefer James T. Kirk.. Jean Luc Picard also got high marks.

[JNelson6563]

90. Here comes the Clue Bus--hop aboard!

You're joikng right? "Fit in a broom closet?" How's the weather there on denial? Did you think the DNC electors just suddenly took a liking to Dean....? Or did his closet full of supporters get active and let the DNC know who we wanted?

Julie--always alarmed when faced with the willful ingonarance on "our side"

[JNelson6563]

100. An interesting blurb to add

Although former Vermont governor Howard Dean failed to win the Democratic presidential nomination, his campaign left a strong imprint on the political world. It assembled a network of over a half-million active supporters and contributors, raised over $20 million in mostly small donations online, and demonstrated the power of the internet as a networking and mobilizing tool in politics.

Who are the internet activists ­ the people widely known as "Deaniacs" ­ who joined the Dean campaign as it slowly grew from asterisk status in early 2003 polls to the frontrunner position at the beginning of 2004? A new Pew survey provides the first detailed look at the cyber-soldiers of this pioneering campaign. An internet survey with a random sample of 11,568 activists drawn from the online database of those who had contributed money or otherwise worked on behalf of Gov. Dean provides insight into who they are, why they joined, how they reacted to Dean's loss and President Bush's reelection, and what they think about the future of the Democratic Party.

Also:

The survey also finds that Dean's supporters were not discouraged by his campaign's demise or Kerry's general election loss, but instead constitute an engaged group of citizens who intend to remain active in the Democratic Party and exert significant influence over its future direction. After Dean dropped out of the race, most worked hard on behalf of Kerry (66% donated money to Kerry) and virtually all of them (97%) voted for him. Half (51%) say that Bush's reelection motivates them to be even more politically active in the future.

I've been looking but haven't found any other in depth studies on supporters of other Dem candidates of 2004. Anyone got any? ;-)

Julie

[saltpoint]

2. Gore has already removed himself from contention and --

-- Dean said if he became Party chair he would not seek the White House in -08.

Not sure why this poll was even conducted but my focus tonight is on the slimey Bush contingent "representing" the United States at the Vatican.

What a macabre gaggle of oil-rich hypocrites.

[madfloridian]

20. The poll was from last year a Pew research study done on the campaign.

It was done last year.

[boneygrey]

3. Their top choice is Dean?

No shit.:banghead:

[Totally Committed]

4. What was the purpose of the poll?

Does anyone know why they were polled in the first place?

TC

[madfloridian]

14. Go here. Or read my new post in this forum.

http://people-press.org/

[madfloridian]

6. Well, I posted this earlier and it dropped as usual.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3436283

That is from a Pew Research study done on the Dean campaign last year. The media is using it to manipulate us.

Actually I prefer Feingold, because I don't think Howard Dean will run. If he does, we will support him 100%.

[Carolab]

16. We all know that Howard is a strict "man of his word" and said he wouldn't

We are going to have to FORCE HIM to run.

[Voltaire]

95. Well, I am all for forcing him to run

Not interested in any other candidate at the moment. I was with Dean from the beginning, before it was cool to be with Dean, when Meetups in Indianapolis only had 4 people to them. I am STILL with Dean. I guess I agree with the survey on that point.

[KoKo]

88. Kick....a really important article and survey!

:kick:

[newsjunkie]

7. If only it could be

If Dean was our president the whole world would change immediately for the better. He is a wonderful brave leader and I still wish and hope he will be our president one day. For now we are very lucky he has taken the incredible uphill job of reorganizing and running the hapless DNC.

<>

[newsjunkie]

12. by the way

How do I change my profile sigline? I havent been here in a while and I forgot. (need to update the '2004' thingy) ;)

[wtbymark]

8. no Hillary either

[elperromagico]

9. One can't comment on this without seeming

either vehemently pro-Dean or vehemently anti-Dean.

That bothers me.

Dean is not the only good Democrat. He is not the only bad Democrat. He is neither the be-all, end-all or the absolute bottom of the barrel.

These attempts to separate him from the rest - either as the best or the worst - alarm me.

[Arkana]

35. Yeah, it's like a flashback to March, when I joined DU...

The primary wars were winding down, but pitched battles were still taking place in GD 2004. I wouldn't have stepped into those with a HAZ-MAT suit--probably why my post count stayed so low then.

It is possible to like Kerry AND Dean, people! Kerry's a hell of a U.S. Senator--he didn't retreat like Al did after 2000; rather, he stayed as a vocal member of the Senate and has become a party standout. I supported Howard Dean for the DNC Chair from the beginning, and I have confidence that he can regain the Democratic base. Why must we refight the primaries????

[madfloridian]

66. Ask Pew. They released a very nice study and people went crazy.

The media picked up on a poll from last year when the study came out today. They sent it all around to be divisive.

The Dean people did not do this.

[Pinboy]

10. Poll commissioned by KKKA-rul RO-vuh. n/t

[Gman]

15. And that is down from 100% that didn't want them in 2004

[cestpaspossible]

17. you beat me to it nt

[Carolab]

19. What exactly does THAT mean?

The DNC/DLC sabotaged his campaign and pushed Kerry onto us. The Deaniacs RELUCTANTLY supported Kerry and gave him money...but ONLY because HOWARD DEAN asked us to. And then he (Kerry) let us down.

[newsjunkie]

23. Exactly Carolab!

You are sooo correct...
(and a true-blue deaniac from way back also);)

[patricia92243]

24. Absolutely

[saracat]

27. And now Dean is letting us down. He isn't exactly a liberal or been much

of a mouthpiece. Kerry was NOT forced on anyone. I cannot believe people are still fighting the primary. DEAN LOST. he is now DNC chair, and working very closely with the DLC, I might add.

[cestpaspossible]

31. I don't agree with your rhetoric

it's certainly way too soon to make a negative judgement such as 'he's letting us down', he never claimed to be a liberal, and he made it clear during his run for chair and his plan for the DNC that he was not going to focus on being a mouthpiece, but on building the party from the ground up. I agree that refighting the 2004 primary is a bad thing, but in order to avoid that, we all must allow some abrasive rhetoric from our former primary opponents to pass without getting too worked up about it, imho.

[madfloridian]

32. Saracat, please don't keep doing that.

Dean is working closely with everyone in the DNC. No, he is not going back to his roots there. He burned his bridges with them.

Saracat, before you get more divisive on this, please read the survey and study done by the Pew Research group. That is where this came from...it is from last year.

I got in trouble for asking you not to be so angry at all the Democrats for everything. I am asking you again to read the study, see that the poll is being used by the media and is from last year.

Stop getting so mad at all of them and all of us.

[saracat]

37. I'm not angry at ALL of them. I am not angry with Kerry or Edwards or

Kennedy or Boxer or a score of others.I loathe Al From and the DLC. I am somewhat disappointed in Dean. I hope he gets his engine running soon. I'd like him to be more noticable. I understand that this is an old survey. That is why I don't understand it being posted. I am tired of people taking different ways to slam Kerry. Maybe I am a bit defensive but it really makes me angry when I see the lack of appreciation that people display for Kerry and Edwards. I am disappointed too that the fight didn't go on longer but I can understand why it didn't. And both these guys are out there fighting for us everyday abnd there are some that just want their hides.
I have repeatedly said that I do not dislike Dean.I supported him as chair and I am disappointed so far. Maybe I expect too much but I definately am not angry at everyone.(of course I am furious at Bush and ALL the repukes who dishonestly put him in the WH!:)

[MollyStark]

92. "I have repeatedly said that I do not dislike Dean"

:eyes:

[KoKo]

36. Dean is not letting us down. Only for those who think the White Knight is

going to come riding out and save us from our own party who left us high and dry forcing us into ABB.....We are damned lucky to have gotten Dean as head of DNC. And, many of us Progressives on the Dem Left worked hard in our states to move this along so that he would become Chair of the DNC. So to diss him like this really is almost a slap in the face to us State folks who had to fight so hard against the DNC/DLC/LAZY Establishment.

Let's focus on the "real DEM folks" who should be standing up. Lets look at our Democrats who don't vote for our interests. THEY are the ones to attack and go after to move their butts away from their Corporate interests and funding.

Lets focus on Biden, Lieberman, Dodd, Bayh and the host of others who aren't as prominent on Russer and the talk show circuit. There are many in the House who need a kick in the butt or a kick out the door, too.

[saracat]

40. While it is not strictly speaking Dean's job to round up

these errant Dems, it is actually Reid's job, and the whips, It is usually incumbant on the DNC chair to be working "behind the scenes " to corral these guys in and so far there have been only a glimmer of this. The bankruptsy Bill and the Arctic drilling NEVER should have passed. Something is not good enough. I don't know what it takes to unify, but we had better do it.
And BTW, I was one of those state folks who fought for Dean to be chair, so I have the right to bitch! I do agree however that we need to focus on the stragglers but I think we need to kick leadership into motion as well!

[bitchkitty]

67. Letting us down?

You should speak for yourself, about Dean and about "still fighting the primary". I was let down and devastated when Kerry conceded. He fell all over himself to concede, so please get off of Howard. He's the only reason I'm still a Democrat - if he goes, I go (and a hell of a lot more people than you'd expect will go with him).

[Carolab]

79. saracat, you obviously weren't a Deanie

If you had been, you'd know EXACTLY how Kerry was forced on us and what EXACTLY happened to Dean's campaign.

[kerrygoddess]

80. Maybe... just maybe...

Some folks weren't paying enough attention to what Kerry was doing. There's two sides to every coin. Deaniacs have one story, Kerry supporters have another. They are both valid to those involved. It's all moot now though.

[Gman]

76. That means...

100% of all Dean supporters supported Dean on '04 for president in the primaries, prior to Dean dropping out. That number now appears to be down to 66%.

[saracat]

29. And this post is sort of flamebait. Some want to refight the primary!

[madfloridian]

33. It is from last year. Please read the Pew research before you keep on.

Please.

[Mass]

49. The post is flamebait

It focus on a very narrow part of the poll that you posted on GD earlier today.

[madfloridian]

54. The media picked up on it from the Pew study.

People are already mad at the world, so they decided it was all our fault. I don't care anymore.

[Gman]

77. The primaries were like gang fights last year

and avatars were your gang colors! I, for one, enjoyed it!

[AzDar]

39. Gore/Edwards ' 08 ...........'nuff said. (I can DREAM, can't I?) n/t

[Mass]

44. Somebody paid for that one??

Dean activists prefer Dean?? Really, I am quite surprised by that.

Everybody knows that Dean Internet activists are NOT Kerry supporters. They came to him relunctantly after the primary and do not wish him to run again. (Note that we are talking about a small group of Democrats, not even all the Dean supporters here, and that the poll was made in late December,which explains the high result for Obama).

This may please some people here to see that, but if these people were representative of the party, Dean would have been the nominee in 2004.

[madfloridian]

48. Who paid for it? I had not heard that.

Please tell me. Also, "these people" as you call us, are part of the party. I am one of "those people".

I think you might be surprised how many of us there actually are. I really think so. Not many here at DU, as they just left because of being called "those people."

[Mass]

50. I would imagine that DFA sponsored the poll

if I understood correctly what is in the report. The poll is actually interesting to understand Dean's constituency, but the answer to this question is not exactly surprising, though it was NOT the major point of the poll.
As you posted the entire poll on GD earlier, you know that perfectly well.

[madfloridian]

52. It was a study. A very involved long study by Pew.

If you read what I posted, you would see it was a long study, you know, research. The poll was in the Pew research. It was not done by DFA.

[madfloridian]

55. DFA had nothing to do with it.

.

[LittleClarkie]

57. I seem to remember something about an "arranged marriage"

at the convention.

Yeah, most Deaniacs were not Kerrycrats. No duh.

[Larkspur]

104. I had an "In an arranged marriage with Kerry but still in love with Dean"

bumpersticker on my car through the Nov. elections That saying captured my feelings perfectly.

[TayTay]

45. And for this they took a poll?

They could have just come into any group on any Dem political blog anywhere and figured it out.

There are scars. They ain't healed yet. They may not heal ever. (Or at least until the next Dem is actually elected President.) So what?

[Mass]

47. Deleted

[madfloridian]

53. Talk to Pew Research . They did it. We only participated.

We did not post the study. Pew did. Have you read it?

[TayTay]

97. No, I just don't care

It is too early. Who cares? This is a tempest in a teapot. It's just another diversion on the road to keeping the Dems fractured and unable to come together for races in '05 and '06.

'08 doesn't matter yet. I could care less whether former Dean, Clark, Edwards, whatever people want Gore or Kerry to run again. It is irrelevent. (I don't think either Kerry or Gore care either because it's too early.)

It's just more white noise that can be easily ignored.

[LittleClarkie]

56. If their top choice is Dean

then they don't seem to realize that becomeing the Chair rather took him out of the running. At least I wouldn't want him distracted from his job in that way.

Not to mention that 100% of Dean supporters couldn't even get Dean through the primaries.

I support him as DNC Chair.

What's up with Dean people voting Hillary higher than Gore or Kerry? Hell, I'd take Gore over Hillary. From what I've been reading, he like Kerry would be a better president than a campaigner. It's too bad so much of this is image. Who cares if the prez is someone to have a beer with. I want someone to run the country.

[madfloridian]

59. When the poll was taken, Dean was not running for chair. Ok?

Calm down. He decided later to do that.

[LittleClarkie]

62. (shrug) I'm calm. Just commenting

If it was taken before Dean became DNC Chair, then I would think the information was somewhat invalid at this point. The dynamics have changed.

[madfloridian]

64. And Pew chose to release the study today....and the media used the poll.

To be divisive. It actually was an excellent study of a campaign, if anyone took time to read it instead of jumping up and down about the poll. The poll is such a small part of it.

No wonder no Dean supporters are left here but me, and I wonder about me. :silly:

[LittleClarkie]

69. That's the media's job, to be divisive

and put out disinformation.

Dean supporters leaving because of this shit? Sissies. Try being a Kerry fan around here. That'd put hair on your chest.

[MAlibdem]

60. That's because they bitch and moan about everything.

We need tighter rank and file. After a nominee is chosen, that's it.

[madfloridian]

63. No, I do not agree. We fell in line for too many years.

We supported Kerry, most of us did. Did you read the study? I think it said some 90% of us worked for and donated to Kerry.

[Tom Rinaldo]

99. I saw first hand many Dean supporters working for Kerry

when I as a Clark supporter went to PA to work for Kerry. Our Party united behind Kerry/Edwards for that Election. That is all anyone can ask of all of us. Dean supporters were out there every day fighting hard for Kerry. They are active motivated and involved in the Democratic Party, and that too is all that one can really ask, and much more than can be said for the average Democratic voter.

They earn their right to whatever opinions they hold, and why would anyone not expect them to have backed Dean for President in 2008 before Dean himself latter ruled it out?

[kerrygoddess]

71. I couldn't agree more!

The bitching and moaning is/was so not helpful.

[JI7]

61. who cares

what a stupid poll

[Goldeneye]

65. Oh, for craps sake.

Whoever wins the primaries, wins. If you won't unite behind the dem, then screw it all.

[AntiCoup2K4]

70. Nobody polled me, but for the record.....

Who would I vote for in 2008?

Gore - yes

Dean - Hell yes

Kerry - doubtful

Hillary/Bayh/Biden/any other traitorous shitbag - NEVER

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

72. From a Dean delegate:

I'd take Gore, then Kerry, before those other three.

[wisteria]

73. So!

Dean supporters don't represent a majority of voters in this country. Most find any excuse to go negative on John Kerry. He could never do enough to win these people over. Luckily, other voters have a more open mind and are willing to take a wait and see attitude in regards to a possible 2008 Kerry run. IMO, Kerry and Gore would be the most qualified candidates if they ran. Personally, I don't hold it against Kerry that he didn't win this last election. There were many, many things that worked against him. Presented with the names above, my vote would go to John Kerry.

[fujiyama]

75. Now the Dean activists

are very important, but they showed that ultimately there weren't enough of them to have Dean win the nomination.

That said, I somehow don't think Dean, Kerry, or Gore will get the nomination. I am somewhat hopeful as well that Hillary's current high numbers are due to name recognition alone, just Lieberman had about two years before the election.

[zulchzulu]

78. Wow...another "eat your young" post to divide us...Thanks Karl!

2006 should be our focus. 2008 is too far away.

And a snide way of bringing on a Gore or Kerry bashing thread makes it...oh...so...fucking pitiful.

[kerrygoddess]

81. 2006 is the GOAL!

All else is useless chatter.

[zulchzulu]

84. Without voter/BBV reform and victory in 2006...we may as well...

...nominate this piece of granite for 2008...



Ok...maybe this ferret...



What's the diff if we don't change HOW we vote.

[MollyStark]

91. Someone said this is an old poll

This poll was taken last year.

[w4rma]

82. This Dean supporter supports Sen. Feingold, conspicuously missing from

this particular poll.

[zulchzulu]

85. Good point

Hey, I'm a Russhead. And yes, Virginia, he ain't the only fiddler at the fair...

[Vektor]

86. Is Gore considering a bid in '08?

Or is this just a hypothetical setting? I never heard that.

[JNelson6563]

89. We are legion

and I'd support Gore. He rocks.

Julie

[mrgorth]

94. This Deaniac

is hoping for Clark. No Hillary.

[LuminousX]

101. A story used to divide

As a Dean supporter, I question the point of this kind of research. Who cares what 66% of Dean supporters want or 66% of Kerry supporters, or 66% of Clinton supporters. The very fact they are labelled as supporters show they have a strong bias. In fact, the real story is 33% of Dean supporters wouldn't mind having Gore or Kerry run.

[Tom Rinaldo]

102. Not to mention that it is very old news

And media coverage of it is very sloppy about not making that clear, and that is highly suspect. Dean had not even announced possible interest in becoming DNC Chair when this survey was taken.