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Dr Ron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 04:24 PM
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The Myth of Republican Diversity (Responses to Brooks & Harwood Articles)
From Light Up The Darkness--see original post for links mentioned:
http://www.lightupthedarkness.org/blog/?view=plink&id=681



The Illusion of Republican Diversity
7 April 2005

Both John Harwood and David Brooks have written this week about varied opinions among the Republicans, but have looked at this in different ways. Harwood appears surprised by poll results which show Republicans opposing Bush on major policy issues. This should hardly come as a surprise considering that polls even at the time of the election showed little agreement with most GOP positions, even among those who voted for Bush.

This might be explained by David Brooks' discussion of the Republicans being stronger due to the diversity of opinion among conservatives. His column is interesting in making one major observation, but also in being wrong over so much else. Brooks argues that "Conservatives have thrived because they are split into feuding factions that squabble incessantly. As these factions have multiplied, more people have come to call themselves conservatives because they've found one faction to agree with." He does make an important point here. The Republicans do offer something for virtually everyone. If you support capitalism, the Republicans use plenty of pro-capitalist rhetoric. If you support government economic intervention for the promotion of big business, the Republicans have even delivered (assuming you are in rooting for a business in favor with Republicans.) If you are a libertarian, again their is plenty of favorable rhetoric. If you want to impose social conservativism on your neighbor, the Republicans have even begun to deliver on these promises after years of going after the religious right without really delivering much. Similarly, Republicans still have some old fashioned isolationists, while the more interventionist neoconservatives are now more dominant.

Yes, Brooks is right here. No matter what you believe, there are Republican factions which you will likely agree with. Unfortunately for those suckered in, few of these factions have any real influence over ultimate Republican policy. In many cases, we have groups which have been oonned into supporting Republicans but who have no chance of influencing their policies.

While Brooks is right that the diversity of conservativism factions has helped gain supporters, he really misses the point elsewhere in his column. He is wrong when he argues that it is this diversity of opinion which has made the conservatives successful but argues that "Conservatives have not triumphed because they have built a disciplined and efficient message machine." It is actually the Republican noise machine which has allowed the Republicans to succeed at this scam. Their "efficient message machine" has allowed the Republicans to attract people of many viewpoints, even when the viewpoints they promote differ from the actual policies they deliver.

We have noted several times how Republicans claim to offer smaller government while actually supporting the opposite (such as here and here). They have strung along libertarians for years by promising to get government off people's backs, even though in recent years Democrats have supported policies which have been closer to libertarianism on both social issues and support for capitalism (tempered by regulations on those who abuse the system). Therefore we see the situation discussed by John Harwood in which "After winning re-election on the strength of support from nine in 10 Republican voters, the president is seeing significant chunks of that base balk at major initiatives."

Besides being wrong about the importance of the Republican noise machine in providing this illusion of diversity among the Republicans, Brooks was wrong on many other points. He is mistaken in seeing a single philosophy of liberalism in contrast to the diversity of conservativism. He believes "Liberals are less conscious of public philosophy because modern liberalism was formed in government, not away from it." In reality, there are a variety of beliefs among those who are now lumped together as liberals. While there are some remnants of the more traditional "big government" liberals, many modern liberals are fearful of the power of big government, having seen the abuses in recent years. The real difference between liberals and conservatives here is that most liberals will also concede that there have been areas of government successes, such as with Social Security and Medicare.

Brooks is again wrong when he implies that the difference between conservatives and liberals on foreign policy is that conservatives "believe the U.S. should try to change dictatorships into democracies when it can." This is just a repetition of the latest in a string of Bush's publicly stated reasons for going into Iraq. If democracy should fail in Iraq, Bush will abandon this argument as quickly as he abandoned every previous reason for invading. In the meantime, conservatives will continue to attempt to claim undeserved credit for every movement towards democracy anywhere in the world, when there is no real connection to Bush's foreign policy actions. They will also ignore the tremendous increase in support for al Qaeda which really did result from Bush's actions.

Just as it is wrong to define Republican foreign policy as the spread of democracy, it is inaccurate to characterize Democratic opposition to the war in Iraq as opposition to spreading democracy. What the Democrats oppose is lying to the American people about the reasons for going to war, going to war in Iraq at a time when it was more important to finish the job in Afghanistan and to find Bin Laden, going to war without a plan to win the peace, and going to war with a "back door draft," depleting the National Guard and reservists at a time when they were needed at home. Under the right situation, such as in the Balkins, a Democratic President was able to win support for a war which essentially was to spread Democracy.

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k j Donating Member (509 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 05:45 PM
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1. It's been interesting
Edited on Thu Apr-07-05 05:47 PM by k j
... ("interesting" only because I still have a job) to watch the chaos that has descended on Missouri since the election of a Republican majority in the state house coupled with a dim son Republican Governor. (I credit Bill Weld for the 'dim son' remark, even though I'm talking about Gov. Matt Blunt, son of Roy Blunt, and not Joe Kennedy, as Weld was.)

The state is being slashed by a party with a machete that believes it has a mandate.

Jobs are being lost by the handful, the Medicaid cuts will throw tens of thousands of the poorest out of the system and entire facilities are being shut down.

Locally, the county prison (minimum security) and treatment center just took a hit, 25 locals lost their jobs. Those people *were* the rehab unit, and this facility was designed to *be* the rehab unit, the last stop before inmates go back into society. Talk about killing the goose that laid the golden egg.

That was last Friday. There was an election on Tuesday. Every single tax and bond levy passed, every single one, even a levy one school district had tried to pass 13 times before.

Upshot, even the conservatives here are starting to get it... too late. Sadly, apparently the Republicans who stood up and cheered the frame that cutting taxes was a patriotic duty, instead of the idea that actually paying taxes could be a patriotic duty, have to hit bottom in a big way before they wake up. Taxes actually help a community. Wholesale cutting of state budgets hurts communities. 1+2 = 2, or in this case, Republican majority(1) + Tax Cuts(2) = Zero.

At any rate, we're only a few months in the new administration. I simply can't imagine what it's going to look like in a year.
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Dr Ron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 05:47 PM
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2. Republicans and taxes

"Upshot, even the conservatives here are starting to get it... taxes actually help a community. Wholesale cutting of state budgets hurts communities."

Note that many Republicans who have movecd from Washington to state governments have changed their opinions on taxes--and on unfunded mandates from Washington. Unfortunately the Republicans make it hard for local politicians to do what they know is the right thing to do, with measures such as Grover Norquist's no-tax increase pledge. In the past week I saw one article from a conservative economist calling for a Value Added Tax, facing the reality that the Republicans no longer support smaller government.
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k j Donating Member (509 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 05:53 PM
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3. Can't we just put duct tape over Grover's mouth?
The cuts in this area are hitting the so-called middle class, college-educated, at present, while poverty and homelessness is still an 'out-of-sight, out-of-mind' issue.

The Justice system is looking at cuts, and Missouri is the number one meth producer in the country for something like the fourth year in a row.

The mantra that 'cutting the budget' is going to somehow stimulate job growth is alive and well rhetorically, but the veil is slipping, fast.
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Dr Ron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 06:23 PM
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5. Duct tape won't be enough
He has too much influence among Repu blicans. Of course that could change.
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kerrygoddess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 11:51 PM
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6. Maybe if we duct tape all their mouths! N/T
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missouri dem 2 Donating Member (308 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 01:02 AM
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7. Welcome to D.U.
Henry Louis Mencken (1880–1956)
QUOTATION: Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard.
ATTRIBUTION: H. L. MENCKEN, A Little Book in C Major, p. 19 (1916).


The citizens of Missouri are getting it good and hard. I think that the republican control of the state leg. and Dim Son will pay big dividends for the Democratic Party here in Missouri. Tax cuts and cutting government waste always sound good on paper but run into problems when enacted.
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k j Donating Member (509 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 06:37 AM
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10. Hello!
missouri dem 2. I keep thinking of that chant, "This is what Democracy looks like" only instead of those words, "This is what Republican control looks like" when it comes to Missouri. We're are own little Republican fiefdom right here. Unbelievable.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 01:18 AM
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8. Hi KJ!!!
Edited on Fri Apr-08-05 01:18 AM by sandnsea
We need to get you a star so you can come into the Kerry group. You DEFINITELY belong there!!! Any amount of a donation will do it!
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k j Donating Member (509 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 06:39 AM
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11. sandnsea...
:hi: I'd love a star to get in the Kerry group... I'll go figure out how to donate today. Thanks!
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k j Donating Member (509 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 05:58 PM
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4. And...
to continue on your ideas above, Dr. Ron, I think now is the time for progressive language to begin to be layered into the mainstream of mainstream catch-all Republicans. Lord knows there are plenty of them around me daily to work on. It didn't work so well during the years before the election, now, it's less a football game with them, they "won," and their guard is down.

At least, that's my hope. :)
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 01:21 AM
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9. Illusions and double talk
You're right about democracy in Iraq. If it doesn't work, the Bushies will just change the rationale, like they've always done. They'll go back to "drain the swamp" terrorist rhetoric I imagine.

I particularly like the "Illusion" reference. That has just hit me like a brick lately. Their sloganeering is all geared to make people think they represent things they don't. "Protect the most vulnerable", well that certainly means they care about me if they care about the least of us. "2nd Amendment", certainly means they're willing to die for the Constitution. "Cut taxes" certainly means they want me to be wealthy.

The fact that they don't deliver on what their sloganeering suggests, just like the examples in your piece, just doesn't seem to sink in.

That makes it hard for Democrats too. We support what they pretend to promise, and people think it's all the same.

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k j Donating Member (509 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 06:46 AM
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12. Re: Illusion
Edited on Fri Apr-08-05 06:51 AM by k j
Yes. The illusion is still holding, but I think, at least here in this part of Missouri, it's starting to slip a little. What is most fascinating to me is the folks who are beginning to experience the "disillusion" seem to need comfort and understanding. If I go in with the attitude of "I told you so" I'll lose any ground that's been gained.

I guess all these years of fighting has worn me down some... and right now, that's a good thing. I'm too tired to give them a wry look. I really do think there is a moment here to "catch" a few conservatives while they're vulnerable and disillusioned.

Time to talk about Afghanistan and OBL again, sandnsea, as you said above.

edited to add: As Dr. Ron's original post suggested, as well. There are plenty of splinter groups who call themselves Republicans, but they're not as solid as I think Rove thinks they are. It takes an enormous amount of manipulation and money to keep them in the fold. I just don't think there's enough of that to last for another two years. Why else the hysteria about one woman dying after 15 years of lying in a hospital bed? When the messages are that over-the-top, it's a sure sign there is really nothing underneath.
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Dr Ron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 08:18 AM
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13. They do a great job of getting them all on the same page
There are many different groups, and they are great at getting those who don't really control GOP policy to feel like they are getting something.

For example, auto companies don't want increased regulations regarding fuel standards. Republicans do what big business wants, as long as they contribute lots of money. They get the libertarians on board by calling it a case of fighting government regulation. Th ey con the libertarians into seeing this as a terrible act of government over-extension, while ignoring more meaningful acts of government intrusion in people's lives. They get the religious right on board by saying it is all a scheme to have smaller cars, which means promoting smaller families and birth control.
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