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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-05 01:22 PM
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" Bush has tried to hijack Roosevelt's World War II legacy for his own"
The NATION
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20051024/alterman

the liberal media | posted October 6, 2005 (October 24, 2005 issue)
The First Time Was Tragedy...
Eric Alterman

<<snip>>

Outrageous even by his own considerable standards, George W. Bush has tried to hijack Roosevelt's World War II legacy for his own, most recently at a speech in San Diego commemorating the sixtieth anniversary of V-J Day. The obvious difference between FDR's and Bush's wars is necessity. True, FDR led the nation into war by less than forthright means, but he did so because he knew that Germany and Japan were genuine and unavoidable threats to American security and prosperity. Bush chose war for reasons of ideological fanaticism, coupled with personal pique and historical ignorance rather than any verifiable threat. The Administration's repeated demonstration of dishonesty and incompetence vis-à-vis Iraq helps explain why, despite desperate propaganda efforts--and little Democratic opposition--a mere 33 percent of Americans currently voice support for his handling of the war.

Second, while superpowers fighting wars do a lot of things that most of us wish they wouldn't, FDR managed to do them while advancing the image of America as the world's protector and defender of freedom and democracy. This perception grew tarnished during the cold war, particularly at the time of the war in Vietnam, but never to the point that our allies questioned the fundamental arrangements upon which world security and economic prosperity rested. Bush's war, on the other hand, has destroyed much of the good will that America built up among our allies during two world wars and afterward. In the late 1990s the philosopher Jürgen Habermas, symbol and spokesperson for a humane, social-democratic liberal Europe, told me in unequivocal terms that America's protection of European democracy had been necessary and valuable during the last half-century. (He would not extend the argument into the Third World.) And yet under Bush, America's image has fallen so far, according to a recent poll by the Pew Research Center, that totalitarian China is more admired than we are by most European nations, and we are more isolated than at any time since perhaps the end of slavery.

Bush's ability to deceive the nation into an unnecessary war rested in part on his willingness to lie but also on war agitators' deployment of the discourse of Wilsonian internationalism. Rutgers historian Lloyd Gardner notes that Americans are used to hearing that democracy travels well, that democratic institutions can be established easily, that other people want to be like Americans "once the bad people are removed." The phenomenon leads LaFeber to term US politicians' linguistic attachment to Wilsonianism less "a policy than a disease."

Bush has had a great deal of help in this endeavor, from the right-wing punditocracy as well as from politically naïve and ahistorical liberal hawks. Few gave much thought to the likely consequences of "democracy promotion" in Iraq: greater hatred for America and Israel, coupled with a strategic coup for the theocratic ambitions of Iran's medieval mullahs. As the Administration's incompetence slowly transforms Iraq into an ungovernable terrorist training camp, we may be forgiven our nostalgia for a "juggler" who, for all his flaws, had the good sense to address genuine threats with the kind of creativity and competence that right-wing Republicans these days seem to reserve only for criminal enterprise.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-05 01:28 PM
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1. Roosevelt led America into war with two Superpowers...
one had attacked us, and each had bigger and more battle-tested military might than America had.

pResident Shrimp led America into war with a dirt-poor third world country that couldn't even get a plane in the air to defend itself. And he lied to the world about why he did so.
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-05 01:31 PM
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2. and don't forget what...
FDR did for the poor in America. opposite of Bush.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-05 01:34 PM
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3. Exactly so....
Edited on Sat Oct-08-05 01:36 PM by MrBenchley
FDR told America clearly and in an inspiring manner why we had to fight...

pResident Shrimp spent the summer hiding from a middle-aged lady who wanted to know why we had to fight because he doesn't have an answer he can say in public...

edited to add...and the Roosevelts weren't in business with the Yamamoto family before or after Pearl Harbor...the Bush crime family was in business with the Bin Ladens before and after 9/11.
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agincourt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-05 02:03 PM
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4. There is simply no comparision between the two men.
Comparing Bush to FDR is like comparing Lincoln and Boss Tweed. It's like comparing JFK to Joey Buttafacio. Bush and his jackal cronies aren't even fit for Eisenhower's staff, it's a disgrace to see how far we have fallen in demanding integrity from what used to be trusted public servants.
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 12:59 PM
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5. that is a great quote you made...
the sad thing is it's so true. and it's hard to puy a finger on when this happened, nixon; raygun or just a slow process of greed and corruption.

"it's a disgrace to see how far we have fallen in demanding integrity from what used to be trusted public servants."
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ticapnews Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 01:51 PM
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6. More like "Bush is earning Nixon and LBJ's Vietnam legacy for his own"
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 02:00 PM
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7. And charging toward Custer territory, waving his sword...
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Jamison Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 02:24 PM
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8. Jeez, how can these idiots even compare nowadays to WW2?
Back then we were fighting two powerful and aggressive nations who had the intentions and possible means to invade us on our own soil and conquer us.

Iraq? Afghanistan? :rofl:

Their forces were nothing compared to Hitler's 3rd reich or Japan's Imperial military.
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afdip Donating Member (660 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 02:35 PM
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9. dubya's a legend in his own mind . . .
bushco anticipated iraq would be another walk in the park like reagan's successful suppression of the "insurgency" that was grenada.
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Ferret Annica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 02:46 PM
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10. B'er Rabbit Bush is stuck to the Iraqi tar baby he kicked
Yeah, he's a warrior of legend alright; his wars = our children's and iraqi blood and his self perceived glory.

This dry drunk should have worked the twelve step program with the help of others years ago, because he is still a cowardly bully shattering lives and impoverishing the way of life of millions being the baby holding a loaded gun he is as pretender in chief at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 08:53 PM
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11. his daddy had enough of brains...
to not go into iraq for fear of the mess it would cause.
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gardenista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 09:15 PM
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12. He's been trying to do this before his selection in 2000. He slurs the
phrase "greatest generation" throughout his run and up to and through his illegal invasion of Iraq.

This is all part of the framing and "visioning" they've done in order to fool so many of the American people. Sad thing is that it's worked, so far.
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 09:20 PM
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13. Four years after our entry into WWII we defeated two of the greatest
Edited on Sun Oct-09-05 09:20 PM by Zynx
military powers in the history of the world decisively and were at peace for three months.

Four years after the start of the War on Terra we have had a continued series of terrorist attacks around the world and are bogged down in a diversionary mess in Iraq without getting UBL.
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 09:48 PM
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14. yes,
and we caused the mess in iraq, God knows what we started there. shrub likes to say "we have to fight them there, so we don't have to fight them here." well he brought them there.
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