Newsview: Bush Could Lose Rove Over Probe

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http://www.wjla.com/news/stories/1005/267846.html

Newsview: Bush Could Lose Rove Over Probe

Washington (AP) - For nearly a quarter century, Karl Rove has been George Bush's political mentor. Bush calls him "the architect," the "boy genius." Others have called him "Bush's brain." Now, with a federal grand jury nipping at Rove's heels in its CIA leak investigation, the president may have to contemplate the previously unthinkable: managing without his right-hand man.

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If Rove, 54, is forced to resign, it would be a major blow to a presidency already reeling from low approval ratings, the war in Iraq, rising gas prices and the aftermath of two Gulf Coast hurricanes.

Some Republicans suggest the investigation has already taken a toll, weakening and distracting Rove. Some even suggest the botched early response to Hurricane Katrina and the flash of indignation from the political right over the Harriet Miers Supreme Court nomination might have been averted had Rove been more hands-on.

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At a news conference last week, Bush declined to say whether he would remove an aide under indictment. On Tuesday, he told NBC's "Today" show: "I'm not going to talk about the case."

[Tiggeroshii]

1. I know, once Rove is gone he will plummet....

No more Rove, no more GW. That's all folks! Show's over, impeachment time! :)

[Rambis]

2. What he can't email him thoughts?

he can at least cell phone in policy to the commode and chief.

[Tiggeroshii]

5. Yeah, but it won't be constant

Just like everybody else, Bush needs to hear the lies ALL the time for them to really sink well with him. If they aren't constant,he's not gonna know what to do...

[KansDem]

6. Doesn't have the same effect...

For instance:

DATE: October 11, 2005
TO: Rambis
FROM: KansDem
RE: Get sleazy and lie

OK, now's the time! Get sleazy and lie! Got it?!?!?


See, doesn't have the same effect as it would if I had "called you on the carpet" and waylaid you with loud voice and intimidating gestures.

Maybe a cell phone call might be a bit more effective...

[VegasWolf]

7. How many calls a week can one make from prision? nt

[NewJeffCT]

22. he'll get pardoned

or else they'll appeal it & hope it lasts past Nov' of 06.

[Tiggeroshii]

31. A pardon and a firing of Fitz will win us the 06 election

in both houses no doubt, so if the president has the slightest bit remnants of a brain, he'll not pardon rove. Firing Fitz will be saved for until he is indicted.

[Jackpine Radical]

32. Oh, bullshit. The press will omit to tell the public about any of that

boring stuff. It only counts if it gets onto Fox, and it ain't gonna.

[Tiggeroshii]

34. The press was angry enough to challenge Scotty several times

after they found out he lied to them. There is no doubt in my mind they will be jsut as outraged fromt he lies that the Administration set up than the general public who already know. After indictments come, any stonewalling from the White House will be sincerely and angrily challenged by most of the press. I had no doubt the press will one day wake up to idiocy that's occuring and i have even less doubt that it'll happen soon. It really is a lose/lose for the Admin IMHO

[Jackpine Radical]

37. I most sincerely hope you're right.

[NewJeffCT]

33. Then, the RW propaganda machine goes into overdrive

Fitzgerald is an out-of-control partisan Democratic prosecutor. Repeated 1000 times a day every day for weeks.

[MADem]

39. Waive speedy trial, stretch it out forever, like Ken Lay

How long ago was ENRON, and that asshole STILL IS NOT IN JAIL!!!

[Orsino]

14. Some people keep using the word "genius"...

...but I'm not sure what particular talent of Rove's they refer to. He's merely willing, it seems to stoop to dirtier tricks than most political operatives, and enjoys tame corporate "journalism" that lets him get away with it.

It isn't that Rove is smart, folks. It's that we're stupid.

[emulatorloo]

19. apparently he has a head for endless amounts of political trivia

He can remember precinct totals for the 1890s election, etc etc. . .that is the context they used "genius" yesterday on Hardballs --

Which sounds more like a great Jeopardy contestant than an "genius/"

[SoFlaJet]

24. or that

he has no soul or conscience

[Tiggeroshii]

30. He may be one of the only peopl who is willing

to stoop to the kinds of dirty tricks that win elections. Well, one of the only people at least.

[Dulcinea]

35. I disagree with the "genius" label.

Rove isn't a genius. He sold half the nation on a defective product, which makes him a con artist, not a genius.

[DoYouEverWonder]

3. Bush isn't going to lose Rove

I'm sure we can let them share a cell together.

[Renew Deal]

4. He won't resign.

He will stay on until he's thrown in prison. Bush will move the goalposts again.

[The Night Owl]

10. If Rove is indicted, Bush will pardon him and the two will...

... will go on their merry way.

I wonder... Can someone who has been indicted, but pardoned, keep his or her security clearance?

[TheCowsCameHome]

8. Wow. A 300 pound lobotomy. Call Guinesses Book of Records!

[Thor_MN]

38. Naw, it's a 160 lb hemoroidectomy..

Rove isn't Bush's Brain, Bush is Rove's asshole....

[cassiepriam]

9. Those two are tied at the hip. Rove will not leave him, calls from prison.

[The Night Owl]

11. Bush won't let Rove go to prison. Pardon is in the cards.

I wouldn't be surprised if Bush and Rove have already conspired about the pardon for Rove.

[cassiepriam]

12. Nah, easier just to change the law. Leaking name of CIA now legal

and make it retroactive to date of Rove's crime.
THis is no more outrageous than the other crap bush has pulled.

[loudsue]

25. Ugh! You're right. That sounds just like 'em!

:argh:

I can't believe we're having to live through this!!

:kick:

[all.of.me]

13. "I'm not going to talk about the case." because i don't know what to say!

[wallwriter]

15. Bush calls him "Turd Blossom"

[patricia92243]

16. It never ceases to amaze me how he says he will not talk about whatever th

the subject he doesn't want to talk about - and that's the end of it. Period. Nobody challenges it. It's just accepted. Wonder if CLinton had done that what would have happened.

I can't stand Bush.

[shanti]

17. and?

even if he resigned, you can bet your bippy he'll still be in the mix. after all, isn'the *ush's brain??

[gizmo1979]

18. On tweety's show yesterday

Bush had already distanced himself from Rove and Cheney.Neither was in the loop for Meirs.Seems to be quite a riff going on Bush is really piised that Rove lied to him.

[emulatorloo]

20. Rove lied to him? Well, that's their "story" now. . .

but I seriously doubt it. . .Bush knew all about it, IMHO, and is vindictive enough he would have made the calls himself if he could have.

[gizmo1979]

21. Do you think he's smart enough

To be the guy at the top ?

[Auntie Bush]

26. NO, NO, NO!!!!!! He's not smart enouigh...but he is smart enough

give Rove permission to pull his dirty tricks. I doubt very much if Rove did it without Bush's knowledge. He learned that from Reagan and North. He knows very well. If he didn't he could have found out. How many people knew that kind of information? He could have demanded them to tell him what was going on and reported them...if he gave a damn about what they did.

[NewJeffCT]

23. Poppy Bush fired Rove, why not *, too?

he'll make a comeback when Jeb runs for president in '12 after * quietly pardons Rove on Jan 19, 2009.

[Peace Patriot]

27. "...the botched early response to Katrina..."

It was very noticeable--so noticeable that Rove had to drop a newsturd into the newsstream, way late in the Katrina story, about having been laid up with kidney stones. I think Karl went on strike, to negotiate his Treasongate pardon, and/or his "golden parachute," and/or to get Bush Jr. and his Dad to side with him against Libby.

Bush Jr. was very obviously out there on his own, eating cake and all, while thousands of Americans were dying and a big chunk of the country was getting blown off the map. This went on for days and days. I was very struck by it. Junior was absolutely clueless as to what to do, and how to spin it. And I'm sure it didn't help that Cheney was AWOL as well (until the Katrina loot started flowing his way.) (I think Cheney was actually blackmailing Bush on Treasongate, and that's why Bush had to go down to LA to try to strongarm Blanco into ceding total control to the WH, an absurd demand, under the circumstances. I think he was withholding aid, and using the poor, starving, dehydrated, dying, black people in New Orleans as hostages, trying to meet Cheney's demand for total control of the loot.)

It hadn't occurred to me to wonder if Rove will resign. I think he may have beaten an indictment--Libby is going to take the fall--but may be an "unindicted co-conspirator" along with Cheney. Cheney will resign--mostly to prevent further investigation. (Treasongate is a Pandora's box, believe me.) Will Bush retain an "unindicted co-conspirator?" Good question. I think he will. No indictment, no firing. They're all dirty as hell. What does he care? And the Cheney resignation, and Libby in stripes for a while, will take the spotlight off of Rove, and all his lapdogs among the war profiteering corporate news monopolies will see to that.

He was just an errand boy, you know--for those "black ops" types who think they're James Bond.

Hard to say, though. I won't be held to any of these predictions. The only thing I'm pretty sure of is that there was a deeper plot, underneath Treasongate, that involves David Kelly, the Brits chief WMD expert, who had been whistleblowing to the BBC about their "sexed up" WMD intel, and who was found dead, under highly suspicious circumstances, four days after Plame was outed. I think the two events are connected, possibly by a Bushite plot to plant WMDs in Iraq (for Judith Miller to "find"), which Plame and Kelly knew too much about, or maybe had a hand in foiling. One gets outed. The other gets dead. All in four days time.

Interesting letter from Libby to Miller. Could the "aspens" that are turning "because their roots are connected" be a diversion of the original WMD-planting plot to Iran. (He tells her she should be back at work--and life--reporting on Iranian nukes and "biological threats")? Are they going to rehabilitate her with manufactured evidence that Iran nukes came from Iraq, and were real after all--now that they've eliminated the CIA weapons-monitoring project, and can manufacture anything, and move anything, they want to? (No CIA to say the docs are forged; no covert CIA contacts keeping an eye on things.)

Libby to Miller: Libby is going to take the fall. Everybody else is safe. Miller is going to be vindicated, when their "roots" (Bush Cartel WMD operatives) get their evidence into Iran, or "discover" it crossing the border.

Just a guess. Libby thinks he's John Le Carre as well. (His flowery paragraph is hysterical!)

[Toots]

28. Bush calls him "the architect," the "boy genius."

I thought Bush* called him "turd blossom" or just "turd" for short....

[Arkamadyz]

29. rove

george bush maybe entirely on his own if karl rove is found guilty.

[Imagevision]

36. Rove knows he actually fucked up... Libby will boot his ass in a heartbeat