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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 11:12 AM
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Rice said: “We Could Decide the Proximate Cause Was Al Qaeda"

http://thinkprogress.org/2005/10/16/rice-after-9-11/

This morning on NBC’s Meet the Press, Condoleezza Rice explains why we invaded Iraq:

The fact of the matter is that when we were attacked on September 11, we had a choice to make. We could decide that the proximate cause was al Qaeda and the people who flew those planes into buildings and, therefore, we would go after al Qaeda…or we could take a bolder approach.

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and we can take the "bolder approach" and throw your criminal behind in prison.
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grannylib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 11:14 AM
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1. That's the statement that Russert let slip by with no comment....whores,
all of 'em. ANY time any of the BushCo freaks mentions 9/11 in the same breath as the War on Iraq, the media should be on them like flies on shit.
THERE WAS NO CONNECTION.
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bahrbearian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 11:35 AM
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12. He let it go , the next question was about Rove.
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 11:14 AM
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2. bolder approach: attack someone who was completely innocent...
...of any involvement in terrorism against the U.S. or anyone else! D'oh! Why didn't I think of that?
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 11:19 AM
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7. Exactly. A "bolder approach" to war profiteering.
Rather than rely on Star Wars and already bloated military expenditures, we need a "bolder approach" to enrich our corporate cronies.

Sickening and disgusting. These people need to be in jail.

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ck4829 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 11:14 AM
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3. The KKK took the "bolder approach" all the time when they lynched...
African Americans for doing nothing wrong.
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 11:15 AM
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4. What is ‘proximate cause?
Proximate cause is the initial act which sets off a natural and continuous sequence of events that produces injury. In the absence of the initial act which produces injury, no injury would have resulted. Any time you act, you start a series of natural and continuous events to occur (for example, after swinging your arm with a ball in your hand, you release it and the ball then rolls down a hill).
http://law.freeadvice.com/general_practice/legal_remedies/proximate_causes.htm

So how is Iraq PROXIMATE?
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stopbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 11:16 AM
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5. If these idiots had been around when JFK was shot
they would have invaded Italy.
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maine_raptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 11:18 AM
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6. It's remarks like that that come back to haunt ya, Connie
"We could decide that the proximate cause was al Qaeda and the people who flew those planes into buildings and, therefore, we would go after al Qaeda…or we could take a bolder approach."



Especially when WHIG gets exposed and folks start seein' how they got twisted into a war.
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waiting for hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 11:23 AM
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8. al Qaeda wasn't interested in Iraq
until we went to war ... now it has become a training ground for these militants courtesy of BushCo - did any one tell 'the puppet' Condi that?
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JAbuchan08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 11:25 AM
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9. See you can get them to admit their agenda, but only on their own terms
they want to "remake the middle east" as a FREE MARKET "democracy" (that is a democracy unless the people decide that Iraq's oil belongs to the people) to insure that the Middle East joins the "world community" (re: those nations which are black-mailed out of their resources through economic colonialism).

Of course they would never admit it in the terms that I've laid out, but that's the way it is.

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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 11:29 AM
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10. We could treat this crime as a criminal act
But there's no percentage to be made in bringing criminals to justice. So we took the bolder approach, gutting the tragedy of 9/11 and stuffing it with every vendetta, every old score, and every imperial fantasy our people could come up with.

Much more profitable. Sucks if you're in the military, or the luckless citizen of one of the target nations, but c'est la vie, right Condi?

And I'm sure Timmeh just sat there basking in the unbridled, delusional greed of it all.
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orion9941 Donating Member (256 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 11:34 AM
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11. A bolder approach?!
So, to use her logic, if I had a roach infestation in my home I could spray and leave roach motels out or I could use a 'bolder approach' and just fire bomb my house. Hell that makes perfect sense to me.
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Esse Quam Videri Donating Member (256 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 12:45 PM
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14. Better analogy using her logic
If your house gets infested with roaches you should break in to your neighbor's house down the street and through out all of their food in their pantry and refrigerator. Because after all the roaches that are in your house may have been attracted by the food down the street.
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atommom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 01:59 PM
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19. Better yet, go to the house down the street, break in,
search briefly for food (while allowing people from the street to wander in and steal all the stereo equipment and firearms), then pay one of your friends to firebomb that house and the houses on either side.
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enid602 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 12:05 PM
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13. Condi
I think Condi got it bassackerds. The Iraq war is the proximate cause of terrorist successes in Iraq, and near bankruptcy at home.
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 12:51 PM
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15. Ooooookay.
So the "bolder approach" was to make shit up about WMDs, and "nucular" weapons, and yellow-cake uranium, and mobile bioweapons labs, and scare the country into supporting a mad rush to war while your buddies' companies wet their pants as the millions pour in?

Sounds like typical Puke reasoning to me.
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 01:53 PM
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16. Why be timid. Invading Canada would have been even bolder. Note
that I didn't say that it would have made any more sense.
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maine_raptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 01:58 PM
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17. Oh I don't know, yellowcannie
After all Canada does have oil and WMD (hockey). :sarcasm:

Plus they're just too damn NEAT UP THERE! :sarcasm: :sarcasm:
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 02:32 PM
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22. Yeah, who knows what they are hiding in all of those spruce bogs?
Not that I trust Minnesota either. Any place where grown men will spend days on end sitting in a little house ice fishing in subzero weather has got to be hiding something.
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 02:02 PM
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20. On another post someone listed 27 reasons (lies) for...
the illgal Invasion of Iraq. CondiLiar just provided reason #28.
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 01:58 PM
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18. Bold approach. Well, I gotta say, what they did was quite bold
They told the American people (literally, Bush said it) that they didn't really think about or care where Osama was, because they wanted to go after Saddam. "Fuck Saddam, we're taking him out."

Then they went before the American people in a State of the Union Address, telling horror stories about nook-you-ler weapons, rape rooms, and mass graves all while using information that they knew was a lie, that they knew was based on forged documents.

When someone brought up the forgeries, they smeared him and outed his wife, a CIA operative.

And they managed to offend many of our Allies, and gave the world the finger as they marched into war.

Now, with 1900 US soldiers dead in this war, and countless thousands of Iraqis dead, all they do is smirk and say "stay the course". They never offer resolution, they never offer an exit plan, they won't even come up with a time frame. They just smirk and smile, and say "it will take time" and "we are making progress".

You're damn right they took the bold approach.

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atommom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 02:04 PM
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21. We could call the actual culprits the proximate cause, and deal
with those culprits, OR we could ignore them and play right into their hands by killing innocent people and enraging the rest of the world.

How is this supposed to be a legitimate argument?
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newscott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 02:39 PM
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23. I'm sorry but she's guilty of treason.
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