Oliver North: Recipe for disaster ( Kerry hits a nerve)

[ProSense]

Recipe for disaster

By Oliver North
April 9, 2006

Sen. John Kerry, Massachusetts Democrat, insists on proving that he can't be trusted. He made his political debut in 1970, joining the Vietnam Veterans Against the War, then accused American troops of war crimes in Vietnam -- and tried to deny he had done so.

During his ill-fated 2004 presidential campaign, Mr. Kerry's hyperventilated claims to be a war hero were called into question by his own comrades. Now, the Democrat defeatist has published his formula for victory in Iraq: just quit.

In a 600-word screed published this week by the New York Times, Mr. Kerry lays out his vision for the future. Unfortunately, like so much else in the Massachusetts liberal's political life, it is full of flim-flam, half-truths, distortions and outright falsehoods. A few examples based on my seven trips covering U.S. forces in Iraq for Fox News:

Mr. Kerry: "Now we find our troops in the middle of an escalating civil war."

Reality: No U.S. or Iraqi official has described what's happening as a civil war. In fact, all have categorically disagreed with such a characterization. Only the "Blame America First" crowd and the mainstream media broadcasting from balconies in the green zone depict it as such.

Mr. Kerry: "Half of the service members listed on the Vietnam Memorial Wall died after America's leaders knew our strategy would not work."

Reality: Those of us who are unashamed of our service know we didn't lose the war on the battlefields of Vietnam -- but in the corridors of power in Washington.

Mr. Kerry: "No American soldier should be sacrificed because Iraqi politicians refuse to resolve their ethnic and political differences."

Reality: American troops in Iraq aren't being wounded and killed because of Iraqi politicians -- but by terrorists who refuse to participate in the political process.

more...

http://www.washingtontimes.com/commentary/onorth.htm

Reality for real:

Official: 'Undeclared Civil War' in Iraq
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060409/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_060408230338

VVAW national leader Al Hubbard appointed Kerry to the VVAW Executive Committee to assist in preparing Dewey Canyon III, VVAW's limited incursion into the land of Congress in 1971. Kerry made his greatest contribution to the anti-war movement and to VVAW in his speech to the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations on April 23, 1971. Content of the speech is found at:
http://lists.village.virginia.edu/sixties/HTML_docs/Resources/Primary/Manifestos/VVAW_Kerry_Senate.html
http://www.vvaw.org/commentary/?id=400


page 18, http://www.brookings.edu/fp/saban/iraq/index.pdf

[skooooo]

1. things-r-getting-fugly

[Cooley Hurd]

2. Ollie, the felon?

Like I'm gonna listen to a goddman FELON!:rofl:

[0007]

45. .......or turn on FAUX Nooz or read the WAshington Times.

Why do people think we need to know Ollie's heart? That is if Ollie North has one! The dirty motherfucker.

[Jack Rabbit]

3. Who is Oliver North to talk about somebody not being trustworthy?

No U.S. or Iraqi official has described what's happening as a civil war. In fact, all have categorically disagreed with such a characterization. Only the "Blame America First" crowd and the mainstream media broadcasting from balconies in the green zone depict it as such.

Does that include Dr. Allawi. Ollie still willing to tell a whopper for the cause, isn't he?

[TankLV]

50. ...except for all the officials and GENERALS who did..."

Who ya gonna believe - A FUCKING LYING CONVICTED FELON or your own eyes and ears?

[Submariner]

4. Ollie is a TRAITOR and a disgrace to the uniform of the U.S. Marines

What he says means nothing. Just another repthuglican piece of road-kill spewing bullshit.

[Delphinus]

11. Is there an e-mail where we can

send him this little reminder?

[Submariner]

22. I'm sure there is, but

I don't want to be responsible for Ollie putting a .357 Magnum to his head like he did before. Let him suicide on some neocon kool-aid.

[TheCowsCameHome]

25. I'll second that. He is SCUM. He should be in prison.

[UpInArms]

40. a member of the CNP and a Xtian Reconstructionist

http://www.theocracywatch.org/christian_recon_planet_weekly_mar2004.htm

Outside Benham's office, along Lincoln Log's hallways, are more pictures. Featured prominently is former Alabama Gov. George Wallace. Checking records, it turns out that Lincoln Log's CEO, Richard Schoff, was a true-blue supporter of Wallace, which isn't surprising. Schoff also was once the leader of a faction of the Ku Klux Klan in Indiana. "I wouldn't be today," Schoff told me.

Schoff had other memberships, particularly with a group called the Council for National Policy. It was founded in 1981 as a project of John Birch Society leaders, including Marietta Congressman McDonald.

Other members included Rushdoony, Gary North, Tim LaHaye (now writing science-fiction/ eschatology novels), Pat Robertson, Oliver North, radical right activist Paul Weyrich (who said when the group was founded that it is "working to overturn the present power structure of this country") and Eagle Forum President Phyllis Schlafly.

Another group was formed a year earlier -- the Coalition on Revival -- at the impetus of Christian Manifesto author Schaeffer. More public than the Council for National Policy, it shares many members.

Neither group is overtly Reconstructionist. But the Coalition on Revival has targeted 17 areas for Christian (as they define it) domination, including government, the economy and education.

[stepnw1f]

5. Ollie the War Criminal

little treasonous Nazi boy.

[Old and In the Way]

6. Why should I care what that convicted felon who aided and abetted

RW dictatorships in Central America think? If we had finished the job by putting the criminals in jail for Iran-Contra, we wouldn't be in this mess today.

[JohnKleeb]

7. and you Mr. North have how much credibility

You're a what is the word, umm felon. Iraq is slipping in to civil war and while I feel blame for the Vietnam war is shared by both parties, it is true that those death numbers did go up consideriably when Nixon became president in 1968. Perhaps it is a little of both the terrorists but the Iraqi politicans should do something to do try to solve the ethnic and religious conflict.

[babylonsister]

8. Equating the swiftboaters to Sen. Kerry's 'own comrades'?

:wtf: I don't know even where to begin with that one or any of the other drivel North wrote.

[karynnj]

31. If you watch the PTSD video from the Harvard event

you can see Del's comment on that. (He essentially says that he was on John Kerry's boat and the 2 twinkies from Texas weren't) By the way, this is worth watching Cleland is absolutely incredible as is Del. Here's the link:
http://ksgaccman.harvard.edu/iop/events_forum_video.asp?ID=2973

I agree with people up thread. It was a major mistake to not continue going after the Iran/Contra affair - to get it in the open and into public conscience. I never thought the claim that the Reagan/Bush people allowed drugs into the US was proven - even though I have always read the papers. The CIA report that admitted that the Kerry report was correct (which likely means it was worse - Kerry prudently only wrote what he could prove.) was buried deep in the papers - and like most I missed it. (Blame work and 3 kids under 6 years old.)

[newspeak]

38. yes, it was

my classmate and friend was a jounalist at that time, and she, along with a former CIA agent, exposed the dropping point. They brought drugs into this country and put it on the streets!!!!! The dropping point, by the way, was Mena Arkansas.

[madaboutharry]

9. Oliver North talking about someone else's

integrity is absurd. This from the man who had Shawn Hall stuff documents up her shirt.

[Stinky The Clown]

10. This is easy for 'ol Ollie

He has a chest full of holes from all the sword-falling he's done. He and his kind are to the military what "the Choirboys" are to the LAPD. Who needs 'em?

[hootinholler]

39. Dude, I don't have my binoculars...

Is that fish in your avatar?

I was on the John Adams, SSBN 620.

-Hoot

[ginnyinWI]

12. Now they're rolling out Ollie North??

Talk about your political party in disarray---

His "realities" don't hold much water with me.

1. Just because no official says there's a civil war doesn't mean there isn't one!

2. It doesn't matter where we lost the Vietnam war: we still lost.

3. The truth is that most of them are insurgent militias killing each other off, and the Iraqi politicians are failing to do anything to stop it.

[NotGivingUp]

13. take a hike, ollie!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[sandnsea]

14. Oooh, Ollie North

My my, things are going to get interesting now. I was just telling WelshTerrier that Kerry has got to address 1971, he can't keep letting these guys distort his testimony. And like it or not, we haven't won on the truth of Vietnam. In order to get it right in Iraq, we're going to have to confront their bullshit lies on Vietnam. We did everything we could militarily in that country, there just wasn't anymore that could be done. People who want freedom are not going to be stopped, and they were fighting for their freedom. The more we fought, the more they saw us as the enemy that had to be driven out and the less chance we had to turn them against communist philosophy. Same as Iraq. We're going to have to fight that war of ideas, right here in this country, for some of these people to get it about Iraq.

[BrklynLiberal]

15. Oliver North should be writing that article from a prison cell.

[ProSense]

16. Oliver North of Iran Contra fame busted by Kerry

In the absence of U.S. support, Contra organizations successfully appealed to other governments and private sources for funds to continue their war effort. Under National Security Council (NSC) official Oliver North's direction, a network of companies and facilities was established in an effort to supply the Contras. The level of support, however, did not meet the overall needs of the Contras, and the Reagan Administration sought from Congress a resumption of direct aid to be managed by CIA.

April -- Senate Subcommittee on Terrorism, Narcotics and International Operations (Kerry Committee) opens an investigation into alleged illegal gun running and narcotics trafficking associated with the Contra War.

http://www.cia.gov/cia/reports/cocaine/report/background.html

[AndyA]

17. F you, Ollie! You're a fine one to talk about anyone else.

Does IRAN CONTRA mean anything to you? I'm sure it does, and you were in it up to your tight asshole.

Oh, and if memory serves you're a convicted felon as well.

A lot of the problems we have in the world are because of people like you, so why don't you just shut the F*CK up and crawl back under the rock you crawled out of.

You know, it's really too bad that upstanding Republicans like Richard Nixon aren't around to chime in on this. He'd be able to offer us wonderful insights on corruption in The White House.

The Republicans are HYPOCRITES! They have no room to criticize anyone else.

:nuke:

[Joe Fields]

18. Two words for you: Fuck North

[TheCowsCameHome]

20. My sentiments exactly.

Up yours, Mr. Gap-toothed, teary-eyed Marine.

You are a complete disgrace.

[LiberalPartisan]

19. That Ollie is so revered by the Christo-Fascists

Is evidence of just how divorced from reality they are. It's not about truth, ethics, integrity or anything like it. It's about maintaining power - nothing more and nothing less. It can't get any more transparent.

Col. David Hackworth, (deceased 2005), a contemporary of Ollie North and a legitimate hero wrote of North:

This isn't the first time North has done something self-serving to put our forces at risk. When he served under Ronald Reagan in the NSC, North and a small band of "like- minded patriots" figured they were better qualified than anyone else in our checks and balances system to define matters affecting the national security of the United States of America. The constitution of our country and the laws of the land were looked upon as obstacles thwarting North's Rambo-style foreign policy adventures.

North was later convicted on charges of deceiving Congress about providing missiles and other hardware to the Iranian s who held American hostages during the Iraq/Iran War. He also dealt with the well-known Middle Eastern terrorist group, the Hizbollah, that carried out the 1983 bombing in which 241 of North's fellow Marines were killed. North was a big buddy of Panama dictator Manuel Noriega, a known cocaine dealer, election fixer, double agent and accomplice to murder. While playing footsie with Noriega, North directed the CIA to provide arms to the drug-dealing Nicaraguan Contra leaders while at the same time enriching the arms merchants who profiteered from illegal arms sales by North's misguided law-unto-himself style.

The "Semper Fidelis" with which North likes to end his political talks doesn't mean the "Always Faithful" that he raves about while on the political stump, wrapping himself around religion and the American flag as he reminds his audience ad nauseam that he was a blood and guts Marine. It means always faithful to old Numero Uno. It means putting himself first, the enemy second and American warriors right at the end of the line. Like Benedict Arnold, who sold out to the British during the Revolutionary War, North is faithful only to himself.

Did you note the Hizbollah reference? Hizbollah is financed by iran, ergo North is complicit in the murder of the US Marines.

http://www.hackworth.com/18oct94.html

The real ones sure have no patience for the poseurs, nor should they.

[nmliberal]

41. I can't tell you how much I appreciate your sharing this

Thank you

[kaygore]

21. My sister-in-law's dad was North's commander in Viet Nam and he said

that "he should have court marshaled the bastard when he had a chance." He also said that North was "crazier than a bed bug."

Now, this is the assessment of a Marine commander, a lifer, who served several deployments in Viet Nam. He said this during the Iran Contra affair.

If he had lived, I think he would be shocked that people actually are still listening to North.

He was crazy then and he is crazier now.

He was not a hero in Viet Nam, he is a coward of the worse type.

No wonder he is a darling of the Right!

[blm]

34. I think your post needs alot more EYEBALLS. North was always a LIAR and a

self-aggrandizing piece of shit.

Perfect fit for the fundies being manipulated by the Bushes and the Moons. Moon was a big supporter of North's and is the one who used his papers and power to cast North as a hero when North was actually committing serious crimes against the Constitution of the US.

[cspanlovr]

23. "MSM broadcasting from balconies in the Green Zone"

That sounds very familiar. Weren't those the exact words used by that woman, Laura Whatserface? She got smacked down pretty good for it too. Hope the same happens here.

[TheCowsCameHome]

24. She made it sound like she wandered around freely among the locals

She (Laura Ingraham) is a miserable, lying wench.

[radio4progressives]

26. It's time to Re-Expose this Fascist Killer all the way..

Kerry needs to do that... to show what he's made of..

they're counting on Kerry staying silent on everything he knows... it's time Kerry starts exposing these bastards..

[bobbieinok]

27. remember when North was running for senate? he had the nerve to

say 'Clinton is NOT my commander-in-chief'......about the same time Helms said Clinton better not come to NC b/c they couldn't protect him

both comments if made today would have been attacked 24/7 as coming from traitors

[bumblebee1]

28. John Kerry jumping on a nerve?

Ooooh, someone forgot to inject novacaine into Ollie North's mouth! I totally agree that Ollie North should be writing this screed from a prison cell.

[maine_raptor]

29. One of the reasons why Ollie didn't serve time

Ken Starr. He was one of the appeals judges that overturned his conviction.

Funny how things like that come together.:sarcasm:

[karynnj]

30. Amazing display of Chutzpah

Oliver North isn't fit to mention Kerry's name - The perjury charges that North was convicted on deal with issues exposed by John Kerry. Oliver North broke the law - Kerry didn't. North was also one of the people who allowed drugs into the country so RW thugs could be supported in defiance of a Congressional ban on this.

"Kerry's hyper-ventilated claims to be a war hero" - does this mean saying that the Navy gave him a Silver star and a broze star? It really bothers the RW to acknowledge that Kerry really was a war hero. That these awards were both given for actions that saved American lifes can't be denied. The Navy itself verified that he deserved his medals.

As to civil war, Allai is an Iraqi leader and he has said they are in civil war.

I think the OP is right, Kerry hit a nerve. So, last week it was a veterarian vs a veteran, this week a distinguished public servant, statesman and genuine war hero vs a man guilty of a felony. As to truthfulness, North not only lied, but lied under oath. Kerry speaks truth.

But what can you expect from the Washington Times?

[TayTay]

32. North is scum

It's actually funny to read this from that drug-running, terrorist-enabling bastard. What a joke North is.

[yurbud]

33. let North keep talking about Vietnam--the defensiveness and hollow

arguments will work against the right.

[ContraBass Black]

35. Nowadays, when I see something like this,

I just say, "Oh, you," and click back into GD.

[Norquist Nemesis]

36. When the first five words of an opinion piece identify

"Massachusetts" and "Democrat", it is shameless pandering for the base (and not the Democratic base).

[rateyes]

37. Considering the POS that

wrote that bile----fascist, convicted felon, liar Ollie "I negotiate with Iranian terrorists" North...how in the HELL does anyone stomach the SOB?

[rman]

42. If America is to be blamed first it is because of crooks like North. nt

[lala_rawraw]

43. Felon vs. War Hero... um, hard choice? lol

[troubleinwinter]

44. Oliver North: American TRAITOR

[Scriptor Ignotus]

46. let the apologists make all the claims they wish

about the successes of this war. As the facts on the ground add up (ie American casualities), their position will appear to be more and more out of touch with reality. Eventually, even the most casual political observer will be able to spot their inconsistencies and distortions, even on Fox News.

[sinkingfeeling]

47. Hey Ollie, John Kerry is a war hero...you are a convicted traitor.

[LittleClarkie]

48. John Kerry, war hero. Oliver North, convicted felon

STFU North.

[guidod]

49. Why does anybody listen to that idiot for

let alone talk about him. Remember he's in the 36% zone with Bush.

[sandrakae]

51. Oliver North is a criminal. Why should we even care what he thinks?

[MODemocrat]

52. Who listens to that creep anyway?

Ollie is a criminal himself, he has no room to say one word about John Kerry of all people.
He just shredded his documents so no one would find out what a crook he is. He really did disgrace the military. :crazy: :freak: :thumbsdown:

[wisteria]

53. LOL, a criminal and a Fox News contributor.

I e-mailed him my thoughts and mentioned to him that he is the one without any credibility - not Senator Kerry.

[suegeo]

54. Oliver North, what a douche bag

Boland Amendment: Thou shall not fuck with Nicaragua.