DU: Will Hillary Clinton Win The Nomination?

[PresidentObama]

After starting that Kerry poll, I've decided to continue the adrenaline rush that is polls on DU. So the next question I have for the board, looking for the boards opinion here, is will Hillary Rodham Clinton be the 2008 Democratic Presidential nominee? Pretty simple question, huh?

And please share why you vote the way you do!!

[David Dunham]

1. Hillary's got it almost nailed down. Obama's fading.

[PresidentObama]

3. Obama seems down. Edwards seem down. But neither is out just yet.

We've got a horse race on our hands.

I think Hillary's chances are good. But so are Obama's, and so are Edwards.

[Dawgs]

10. Wow, a Hillary supporter that knows nothing about politics.

Who would have thought?

It's May people. Four years ago Kerry was fourth among the Democrats.

Anyone with any knowledge of how elections work would understand that it's way too early to make a prediction.

This poll is dumb.

[laugle]

35. The difference is Kerry was highly qualified--Obama

is not!!

By comparison, they are worlds apart....

[Egnever]

49. Sory

but years in the senate alone do not make one highly qualified.

[nevergiveup]

15. "Obama's fading"

"Obama's fading" "Obama's fading".....Geesh! Do you think if you keep repeating this in your threads often enough it will actually become a reality? Hillary has nothing nailed down at this early date. Obama and Edwards are both in great positions and Richardson is just beginning to make a move.

[Hersheygirl]

51. Sounds just like Bush when he said

you have to keep repeating something over and over to get people to believe it, or something to that effect.

[Arugula Latte]

31. Yeah... Keep telling yourself that.

:)

[draft_mario_cuomo]

45. HRC is 3rd in Iowa with Richardson rising rapidly in that state

Will she fall back to 4th in Iowa, where she was consistently when Vilsack was in the race? She is hardly inevitable and will suffer a lot if she has a weak showing in Iowa.

[elocs]

2. The adrenaline rush for polls is for you, right?

I think they get very old, very quickly and I'm willing to bet I am not alone in that feeling. The Senate needs good senators also. I think that Senator Kerry is doing nicely being the best senator he can be just as is my own Senator Feingold. Sorry I can't share the way I voted because I didn't.

[PresidentObama]

6. I meant that as a joke. No one likes being bored on Saturday.

Senator Feingold is a wonderful Senator. I think he's highly underrated, and deserves a lot more credit for the hard work he does for our country. I'm glad to hear he's your Senator. Mine are Kit Bond and sometimes good, sometimes bad Claire McCaskill.

[elocs]

13. You're right, nobody likes to be bored on a Saturday night.

Your name threw me. I missed the Edwards sig. Although I am undecided at this apparently late moment in the campaign for many, I will give Edwards consideration. When the Wisconsin primary comes around I want to wait and cast my vote for somebody I like who could strategically need a boost at that time. Although I am undecided, Senator Clinton is low on my list and I would hope to have a race for the Democratic nomination instead of a coronation. But I will vote for the Democratic nominee whoever that may be.

[Vincardog]

4. President GORE will wait and announce at the last minute. Obama can be his VP

[PresidentObama]

8. No complaints. But I'd rather a Gore/Kerry, Gore/Clark or Gore/Edwards combo. n/t

[Demeter]

5. Where Is the "God, I Hope Not!" Option???

[PresidentObama]

7. I tried to word that nicely with the absolutely not option. LOL. n/t

[Demeter]

9. But Yours Implies Certainty, My Implies Horror and Great Fear

[LWolf]

11. Not with my vote. n/t

[bullimiami]

12. i think she'll probably take it. Not one of my top choices but at least shes sane.

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[edwardsdefender]

16. I would have liked to have had a "God, I sure hope not."

Or maybe a "Do you want Hillary Clinton to be the standardbearer for the Democratic Party in 2008?"

[illinoisprogressive]

20. i sooooooooooo agree with you

[loyalsister]

17. Don't know

There is a plenty of time before the voting begins.
A lot can happen.

[jillan]

18. Too early to tell. But I would have no problem supporting her if she does. n/t

[illinoisprogressive]

19. If Obama is down then why is he tied in NH and on Rassumussen?

[IndianaGreen]

21. If we are lucky, Big Dog's current sexual adventures will come to light in MSM

before Hillary has a chance to win the nomination.

If we are unlucky, the revelations will become public after Hillary becomes the nominee, derailing her campaign, and dooming all of us to 4 more years of fascism.

Former Clinton pal and Hollywood mogul David Geffen referred to Big Dog's behaviour in the present tense:

Hillary's run keeps hitting speed bumps

Friday, February 23, 2007

By Beth Fouhy
Associated Press

Geffen, a onetime Clinton supporter who threw a $1.3 million fund-raiser for Obama in Hollywood Tuesday night, criticized Bill Clinton for "reckless" behavior and called his wife polarizing and dishonest. He also took her to task for refusing to recant her Iraq vote.

http://www.deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,660198067,00.html

Specifically, it was Bill Clinton’s refusal in 2000 to pardon Leonard Peltier, after Geffen joined the rally to grant clemency to the “wrongly convicted” Native American, in favor of financier Marc Rich at the end of his presidential tenure that drove the producer to rethink his loyalties. “Marc Rich getting pardoned?” Geffen marveled in Wednesday’s N.Y. Times interview with Maureen Dowd. “An oil-profiteer expatriate who left the country rather than pay taxes or face justice? ... Everybody in politics lies, but (the Clintons) do it with such ease, it’s troubling.”

Geffen also critiqued Hillary’s unwillingness to admit she was mistaken in initially backing the U.S. invasion of Iraq. In contrast, he said, “Obama is inspirational,” comes from outside the Bush or Clinton “royal family,” and doesn’t have a blight on his record when it comes to his stance on the war.

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20070224_truthdigger_of_the_week_david_geffen/

Part II -- is Bill behaving?

Geffen, who raised some $18 million for Bill's presidential bids and knows Bill and Hillary very well, didn't say that Bill was a reckless guy. Geffen said Bill "is" a reckless guy.

It's that Geffen comment which cuts the deepest with the Hillary campaign. They know that anger over Bill's past sexual predatory behavior rests just below the surface in many voters. While people want to think Bill is on the A-train to a loving and faithful relationship with Hillary, people also know that leopards don't easily change their spots.

If Bill has been fooling around again, people will not only blame him, they will exact a punishment on Hillary. She'll be seen as a crass enabler clinging to her husband's coattails to further her political aspirations. And, right or wrong, it will have a ring of truth to it.

According to the recent edition of Newsweek, one of their reporters tried to gingerly point to this "elephant in the room" with a Hillary advisor. The reporter was quickly and fiercely told: "If that's what you want to talk about, I'm hanging up right now."

Newsweek points out that Hillary's campaign "may have been caught unawares by the attack from one of Bill's old friends. In an interview with New York Times columnist Maureen Dowd, Hollywood mogul David Geffen tore into the Clintons' integrity and Hillary's electability. 'Everybody in politics lies,' said Geffen, 'but (the Clintons) do it with such ease, it's troubling.' Geffen raised the most eyebrows when he referred to the former president as 'a reckless guy' who 'gave his enemies a lot of ammunition to hurt him and distract the country.' Geffen was not just speaking in the past tense. 'I don't think anybody believes that in the last six years, all of a sudden Bill Clinton has become a different person.' "

http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2007/Mar-04-Sun-2007/opinion/12877773.html

[wiley]

24. Really beneath you IndianaGreen.

People could publish factual accounts of Geffen's behavoir that would burn your eyes with rage. He has no right to trash talk anyone, and I couldn't care less what he says about the Clintons.

[IndianaGreen]

28. Is Bill behaving?

Do you prefer we wait until the Fall 2008 for that question to become a key campaign issue, or worse?

Some people ignored all the warnings about going into Iraq, and look where we are at today. Some people supported George W. Bush thinking he would be another version of his father, and look at the war criminal we ended up with. Likewise, some people are ignoring all the warnings about the Clintons. Let's not repeat the same mistakes with the Clintons that we made with Iraq.

[wiley]

42. How can you even compare those things?

[Jack Rabbit]

22. I have expressed my faith in Terry McAuliffe, and he seems to be doing his job

A few months ago, I said that Hillary Clinton may be the frontrunner now, but McAuliffe will fix that before the primaries start.

And so it appears, that just as McAuliffe was able to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory for the Democrats in 2002 and 2004, so he is working his magic for Hillary Clinton now.

[emilyg]

23. God - I hope so.

[Forkboy]

25. I believe she will.

[wildbilln864]

26. Edwards! n/t

[PresidentObama]

27. I voted for the Edwards option. But I believe she might be the nominee. She has a good chance n/t

[Tellurian]

29. It's getting tiring watching you stick your finger up in the air.. with these incessant polls...

When you clearly are afraid to commit. Hillary is by far the strongest candidate out there. What in the world would ever give you the impression Obama or Edwards can even come close to standing up to the Right Wing, when they stumble and fall over their own feet when under no pressure at all?

[thoughtcrime1984]

32. Oh, I think polls are right up your alley

[Tellurian]

33. Not these polls...The country is comprised of moderates not radicals!

[laugle]

36. The thing that makes me laugh is that I really

believe that Hillary can "kick ass" better than any of the candidates, and your point is well taken.......

[PresidentObama]

47. Strongest huh? Then she'll have no problem winning the nomination with ease....

Oh wait, forgot about Obama didn't you? And Edwards too? She's good, damn good. But strongest? I don't believe that for one second. And Edwards "stumbled" and fell when he refused to go on the FOX debate? And when he stood up against Coulter? Even though I didn't quite like the way he did stand up to Coulter, asking for money, but still...he stood up. Don't give me that BS!!

You would think lying would get tiresome. Not for some DU posters.

[PresidentObama]

30. Kick n/t

[laugle]

34. So far Obama is

all "hype" but "no substance."

He's fading fast and we still have a long way to go..............

[illinoisprogressive]

37. Yep, he is fading.....fading like the sun at high noon.

[TwilightGardener]

38. WTF? Drawing massive crowds, generating worshipful press, running

second in polls (and occasionally first) is "fading"? We've got nine months until primary season--we're not even close. He's doing very, very well. He's going to be the man to beat.

[Bullet1987]

39. OBAMA'S FADING!!!

So far Obama is all "hype" but "no substance." He's fading fast and we still have a long way to go..............

Obama's fading! Obama's fading! Obama's fading! You know, it wasn't until Tucker said this that all of the Hillary supporters are now parroting it like it's fact. "If you wish upon a star" maybe that's their mentality?

[BenDavid]

40. I been trying to tell you

that support another candidate I respect your decision but it will be HRC as the nominee in 08. She of all the candidates is the only one that will fight back. We did not have a fighter in 2000 and sure as hell did not have one in 2004. The only fighter we had was the former president Bill Clinton that showed how you fight back on the fox news channel. from that day forward until the 2006 elections democrat finally grew a pair and fought. Of those in the top tier the only one which will fight back is HRC. So, come on board after the first two weeks in February and join the group and remember the song by bachman turner overdrive....takin care of business or you ain't sen nothin yet...
I do thank you
BD

[Bullet1987]

41. That's your opinion...

[Egnever]

50. She of all the candidates is the only one that will fight back

holy crap what in the world makes you think that?

[peace frog]

43. Not a chance she'll go the distance

National polls may show HRC ahead but are worthless as a prediction of the eventual nominee. The individual primary state polls are better but even so are terribly premature at this time.

[youthere]

44. Outside of DU I do not know ONE person who supports her...

Not one. Weird, huh?

[PresidentObama]

48. I actually saw a Hillary bumper sticker yesterday. And a Ron Paul one. First 08' stickers I've seen

n/t

[PresidentObama]

46. Kick n/t