Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

"Webb Calls for Realistic Alternatives, Responsible Troop Withdrawal"

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) Donate to DU
 
SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-23-07 09:22 PM
Original message
"Webb Calls for Realistic Alternatives, Responsible Troop Withdrawal"

Washington, DC - Below are remarks delivered by Senator Webb on the Senate floor today with respect to his votes on Iraq-related amendments:

This is a very difficult time for those of us who have long known that the war in Iraq was a strategic error of monumental proportions, but who also understand the practical realities of disengagement. A majority of this country believes that we need to readjust our Iraq policy and to get our combat forces off the streets of Iraq's cities. A majority of our military believes that this Administration's approach is not working. A majority of the Congress believes that we need a new approach.

There are sound, realistic alternatives that could be pursued toward the eventual goal of removing our troops from Iraq, increasing the political stability of that war-torn region, increasing our capability to defeat the forces of international terrorism, and allowing our country to focus on larger strategic priorities that now have gone untended for too many years. Unfortunately, few of these alternatives seem to make it to the House or Senate floor, in the form that would truly impact policy.

With respect to the approaches that have been taken recently, let me first say that I am cynical about the stack of benchmarks that have appeared in recent bills, laying down a series of requirements to the Iraqi government. The reality is that the Iraqi government is a weak government. Like the Lebanese government twenty years ago, it has very little power, and it is surrounded by a multiplicity of armed factions which have overwhelming power in their concentrated areas of activity. Too often, the benchmarks that we, in our splendid isolation, decide to impose, are little more than feel-good measures, giving us the illusion that we are doing something meaningful. And just to make them more illusory, the language we send over on benchmarks and other policies such as unit readiness and length of deployment are couched with waivers, so that the President can simply ignore the language anyway. What does this do? How can we continue these actions and then claim to the American people that we're really solving the most troubling issue of our era? Some of these discussions remind me of what Mark Twain once wrote, saying that the government in Washington is like two thousand ants floating down the river on a log, each one thinking they're driving it.

Secondly, let me say that I admire the intentions in the bill that my colleague Senator Feingold introduced earlier today. However, I could not vote for that bill, because an arbitrary cutoff date for funding military operations in Iraq might actually work against the country's best interests in an environment where we have, finally seen some diplomatic efforts from this administration. Recent initiatives from Secretary of State Rice, Ambassador Crocker, and Admiral Fallon, the new commander of the Central Command, hold out the hope, if not the promise, that we might actually start to turn this thing around. Admiral Fallon has publicly stated that we must deal with Iran and Syria. Ambassador Crocker at this moment is arranging a diplomatic exchange with Iran. Secretary of State Rice has cooperated at the ministerial level in an environment where her Iranian counterpart was also at the table. And importantly, Admiral Fallon mentioned during his recent confirmation hearing that it is not the number of troops in Iraq that is important, but the uses to which they would be put. There is room for movement here, as long as the movement occurs in a timely fashion. An arbitrary cutoff date would, at this point, take away an important negotiating tool. Let's just hope that they use the tools we are providing them in an effective manner.

There is, however, one issue that demands our immediate attention, and which should not be delayed.

As we look at our options here in the Congress, I continue to firmly believe that we have a duty in an area that is not being properly addressed by this Administration, and which is in the proper purview of the Congress. When the supplemental Appropriations bill is returned to the President, it should contain language prohibiting this Administration from deploying Army units for longer than 12 months, and Marine Corps units for longer than 210 days. It should also prohibit sending any military individual overseas unless he or she has been home from a previous tour for at least as long as they were deployed. In other words, if you've been gone a year, you should be home a year before you're sent back.

This Administration has gone back to the well again and again, extending the length of military tours, and shortening the time that our soldiers and Marines are allowed to be at home before being sent, again and again and again, into Iraq and Afghanistan. Absent the gravest national emergency, there is no strategy in Iraq or elsewhere that justifies what has been happening with the deployment cycles of the men and women we are sending into harm's way. It has reached the point that the goodwill and dedication of our military people are being abused, by policy makers obsessed with various experimental strategies that are being conducted at their expense. These people have put their lives literally into the hands of our national leadership. There are limits to human endurance, and there are limits to what military families can be expected to tolerate, in the name of the national good.

For that reason, I urge our conferees to include language that will limit this policy in the bill that will be returned to the President.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
PBass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-23-07 09:29 PM
Response to Original message
1. Thanks fot posting that, I was curious what his rationale was...
Webb voted against Feingold/Reid's bill (along with Carl Levin and others) while Schumer and Clinton voted for it.

There is something weird going on... or at the very least, the Democrats are in dissaray at an important time. Where is the leadership? Who is supposed to be coordinating the votes?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Heath Hatcher Donating Member (394 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-23-07 09:31 PM
Response to Reply #1
2. "Who is supposed to be coordinating the votes?"
Edited on Wed May-23-07 09:33 PM by Heath Hatcher

Well I may be wrong on the job positions for the leaders of Congress But the person in charge of the vote counts would be the Whip and our Whip at this current time is Dick Durbin of Illinois, he would be the one coordinating the votes in the Senate just like how Jim Clyburn coordinates the votes in the House.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-23-07 09:33 PM
Response to Reply #1
3. Well it isn't a dictatorship...
People are gonna vote how they wish...

It's a marathon unfortunately...we are barely in the majority. It isn't as easy as simply snapping our fingers and we can do anything we want. We have to deal with the fact that 48% of the Congress is not Democratic...and though the country has most definitely soured on the war and want a timetable, they also do not favor a cut off in funds...

It's gonna take alot of thrust and parry, trying different alternatives, keeping on the pressure...unfortunately in this atmosphere...it is gonna be a while...

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
NCarolinawoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-23-07 10:09 PM
Response to Original message
4. Interesting.....
I'd like to see the speeches of Jack Reed of Rhode Island (West Point grad) who voted against the IWR, as well as Carl Levin who was also against the war. I believe they voted the same way as Webb. This leads me to believe there are a lot of complexities going on now that we may not be aware of.

I'll be durned if I can call Jim Webb spineless, or lacking in knowledge on this issue.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-23-07 10:12 PM
Response to Reply #4
5. My point in posting it...
The tendency to view every vote on a topic as a definitive statement on where someone stands on a topic is too simplistic...as Jim Webb notes, there are other better ways in his view, to accomplish the goal. I suspect this explains a number of the votes...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 07:47 AM
Response to Reply #4
47. Not spineless. But wrong. And I have made that clear on Virginia blogs. n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-23-07 10:19 PM
Response to Original message
6. "language prohibiting this Administration from deploying Army units for longer than 12 months"
It's called a deadline!

Webb seems to still have that Vietnam view. This is not 2004. Iraq's civil war is raging out of control and he's talking about limiting deployments (in the long war?)

Webb:

There are sound, realistic alternatives that could be pursued toward the eventual goal of removing our troops from Iraq, increasing the political stability of that war-torn region, increasing our capability to defeat the forces of international terrorism, and allowing our country to focus on larger strategic priorities that now have gone untended for too many years.


The excellent bills put forward by Kerry and Feingold address the realities of removing troops safely and engaging in diplomacy.

Webb is taking the long-war view while talking about withdrawal.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-23-07 10:25 PM
Response to Reply #6
7. Jim Webb has more insight into the complexities of the war...
Withdrawal and its affect middle east politics in his little toe, then everyone on DU combined...his views carry alot of weight... at least with me!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-23-07 10:33 PM
Response to Reply #7
8. So did all the people
who prolonged the Vietnam war! You can seriously be suggesting that only people with no expertise are calling for an end to this war? There are a long list of generals with a lot more experience than Webb who have called on Bush to set a deadline.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-23-07 10:36 PM
Response to Reply #8
10. Yes, there's nothing complex about NINE Soldiers dying yesterday.
:grr: This is a f**king blood-bath civil war and it's time to extract our troops out of that hell hole until the natives settle it among themselves.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-23-07 10:36 PM
Response to Reply #8
11. No...what I said was...
His opinion carries alot of weight with me...

And let me remind you that Jim Webb was IN the VietNam war and is well aware of the politics and policy surrounding it...

I was simply pointing out that every vote the left blogs decide is THE deciding vote on whether someone is a worthy Democrat or not is simplistic in the extreme, and that a guy like Webb, whose expertise in this area is nearly unsurpassed, believes there is a better alternative, simply amplifies the point...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-23-07 10:41 PM
Response to Reply #11
17. Kerry was in Vietnam
What's your point?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-23-07 10:59 PM
Response to Reply #17
25. Exactly what I said...
The typical DU reaction to any vote it decides is important - that is to make it the one and only defining moment for Democrats, and anyone not voting the DU way, is simply a war-monger, or a neocon, or whatever cliched name they are into using that day.

Six months ago Jim Webb was a hero to those opposing the Iraq War, but now that it appears he does not agree with the strategy favored here, he is just another warmonger...

Not one second of reflection ever takes place. Rarely does anyone just stop and consider for one second that maybe Jim Webb (or others) knows what he is talking about, no one here ever doubts their own fallibility...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-23-07 11:07 PM
Response to Reply #25
28. He was running against George Allen. Six months ago
Webb was still wrong on Vietnam. There are levels of opposition to the war. Some people just oppose the policy and some want to end it yesterday.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-23-07 11:09 PM
Response to Reply #28
30. So are you saying...
It is still possible to consider Webb an anti-war Senator even if he votes yes tomorrow (which is likely), or is this vote a litmus test?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-23-07 10:43 PM
Response to Reply #11
19. Oh STop! My Brother was in Vietnam also. Doesn't make him special.
Hell, Bob Kerrey is seemingly chomping at the bit to kill more Iraqis.

Stop this f**king insanity. It's all for feeding the meat grinder so Lockheed Martin, et. al., can continue to make FINANCIAL KILLINGS.

Get to the damn point as to why this INSANITY is continuing ====> to feed the War Machine. :grr:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-23-07 11:02 PM
Response to Reply #19
26. Grow up...
Anyone that accuses Jim Webb of wanting to "feed the War Machine" is either insane or ignorant...

Get over yourself, stop and think for one second that maybe Jim Webb knows what he is talking about...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-23-07 11:08 PM
Response to Reply #26
29. Oh, stop putting words into my mouth. In essence, we are feeding the War Machine inadvertently.
Edited on Wed May-23-07 11:11 PM by ShortnFiery
You know that don't you? Why don't you then consider send your kids to feed the meat grinder within the next few months? How many parents will be heartbroken for no damn good reason but to pacify the GUTLESS Democratic Congress?

This issue is NOT Complex: We are in an immoral and illegal occupation in a time of civil war. It's beyond time to get the hell out of there.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-23-07 11:11 PM
Response to Reply #29
31. Take responsibility for your comments...
You said the only reason for funding the war was to feed the war machine...Jim Webb will probably vote Yes tomorrow...how can any other conclusion be drawn then other than Jim Webb has a desire to feed the war machine...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-23-07 11:14 PM
Response to Reply #31
32. Stop name calling and twisting my words. I'm an Army Vet and a student of Military Science.
No, I don't pretend to be as creative and talented as Jim Webb but that does not make him right NOR this issue the least bit complex.

Why don't you take responsibility for your words? We are feeding the war machine by extending this occupation. You know that, don't you?

So, with the respect that you fail to show me, stop behaving republican, i.e., attacking the messenger.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-23-07 11:16 PM
Response to Reply #32
33. Why can't you give a straight answer...
Let me put this as simply as I can...

If Jim Webb votes Yes tomorrow, do you then consider him one of those that simply wants to "feed the war machine"?...why won't you take responsibility for the only conclusion that can be drawn from your comments? What other conclusion can be drawn...unless you believe Webb is simply an idiot...

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-23-07 11:21 PM
Response to Reply #33
34. I'm giving you the SAME answer as before - read close - we are inadvertently feeding the war machine
I'm not claiming that Jim Webb's motives are not good, only that he is wrong. As a result of this waffling, more soldiers will NEEDLESSLY die.

I lived through Vietnam and many of us promised each other, "Never Again." I was against this invasion from the onset. It was not only wrong to invade and occupy, it is WRONG to play referee in the middle of a Civil War.

Get the troops out now - is EXACTLY what I'm communicating - yet you insist on tacking on sinister motives. Again, how very right wing republican-esque type tactical maneuvering bud. :(
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-23-07 11:30 PM
Response to Reply #34
35. So Jim Webb...
After 4 years at West Point, tours of duty in VietNam where he earned the second highest decoration possible in the Navy, not to mention bronze stars, silver stars and purple hearts, attendance at Georgetown University where he earned his law degree, 4 years on the staff of the House Committee on Veterans Affairs, a stint as Navy Secretary, and as a well respected author and commentator on foreign and military policy, an acknowledged expert on the middle east and the role of U.S. foreign Policy in the region...and as United States Senator...is "inadvertently" "feeding the war machine"?

Exactly how does a person like this, with this level of experience and insight, "inadvertently" take any policy position...?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-23-07 11:41 PM
Response to Reply #35
37. You just don't know when to give up. My father instructed at West Point.
But I'm not the type of person to drop names and claim superiority.

You need to stop being *wowed* by Webb's resume. He's a human being of high intelligence, but he's NOT, I repeat NOT God's gift to Military Science. It's a shame that I fear some people do not evolve out of the "Idol worship" mindset.

In other words, I trust myself.

Again, and for the umpteenth time, Webb's intentions may be positive but IF HE VOTES for this bill, he is inadvertently feeding the beastie known as "The Military Industrial Complex."

Finally, I have no doubt that Jim Webb sports a much higher IQ than myself ... but that does NOT make this Occupation of Iraq any MORE COMPLEX, LEGAL or MORAL. :shrug:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-23-07 11:45 PM
Response to Reply #37
38. Answer the question...
How does a man of Jim Webb's experience inadvertently, meaning "not duly attentive", feed the war machine...explain how that is even possible...

Do you truly believe Jim Webb is "not duly attentive" to the Iraq War?

You are simply trying to squirm out of the only logical conclusion that can be drawn from your statements...



Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-23-07 11:51 PM
Response to Reply #38
39. This is just sad. I have fully explained myself.
The difference between you and me is that I come from a long line of Military Officers. As such, I know better than to put one "mere mortal" former military man (even if he is a Marine - Semper Fi!) on a pedestal.

You know that I've fully explained my position, yet you continue to TWIST it as an attack on Jim Webb's character.

Please excuse me for this brusque conclusion: I'm tired of your unwillingness to admit that I've made a valid point. IMO, any further discussion will not prove productive.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 07:55 AM
Response to Reply #39
50. You don't know anything about me...
Way to not take responsibility for your inflammatory statements...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 07:23 AM
Response to Reply #11
44. Webb was in the Vietnam war
Edited on Thu May-24-07 07:29 AM by karynnj
So, he knows a lot more about what happened in the battles and areas he was in. He also likely has, as people do on even less difficult issues, filtered his memory to fit his point of view. I would trust the views of reporters on the ground in Vietnam, such as David Halberstram as much as an individual soldier. You also have people like McNamara, who was the architech of the war, saying they knew it was unwinnable as early as 1968. A few years ago, a letter written by Kissinger to the Chinese was declassified that said the US would be open to leaving if there were an agreement that the North Viatnamese, China's client state, would not topple Saigon for 2 years. What that means is that John Kerry hit the nail on the head when he said that men were dying every day because Richard Nixon did not want to be the first President to lose a war. (Kerry's comments last year echoed this comment.)

Twice, that I have heard, Webb cited statistics saying that most Americans supported staying and fighting the Vietnam War in the early 1970s. That is simply not true. It is also irrelevent - that war was unwinnable and it was wrong. It's also not like we didn't try. We dumped more tons of bombs on Vietnam than both sides dropped in World War II. Estimates are over 3 million Vietnames died.(Nixon all had a massive bombing of Cambodia before we left.) I can imagine that everyone wants to think that the sacrifices they may were worth it, but Webb should have been able to dispassionately look at the whole picture.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 07:54 AM
Response to Reply #11
49. On that, I agree with you. Look, Webb is not "there" yet. But his
talk sounds like he's a member of a cabinet instead of a political leader. We want to end this war. How? Through political means.

I do hope that next time Feingold offers his resolution, that the facts on the ground lead Webb to voting for it.

That said, given the vote situation we're in (we got 51 votes for Reid, and 29 votes for Reid/Feingold), I think it only proper that this bill be passed, since we need to provide funding and we can't get a bill passed the way we like it with 67 votes (veto-proof). Then it comes up again in September or October, and I think then a lot of Republicans will be ready to bolt.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-23-07 10:34 PM
Response to Reply #7
9. He was and still is wrong on Vietnam!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-23-07 10:37 PM
Response to Reply #9
13. And Webb is wrong now.
He's a hell-of-va lot better than Allen but Webb is showing his Republican Slip. :(
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 07:06 AM
Response to Reply #13
41. Exactly, not only better than Allen but without him, we wouldn't be the majority
I really haven't understood the Webb worship here, but I would hope that with a "bad" vote this week in addition to the two last week, maybe some people will be more realistic.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
fedupinBushcountry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-23-07 10:43 PM
Response to Reply #7
20. Well he is my Senator
and he is not the only one that knows the complexities of war in the Senate. Now I see why he didn't answer me when I wrote to him on this issue and on his vote against recognizing global climate change.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-23-07 10:45 PM
Response to Reply #20
23. There's NO Complexity here, only young people dying for NO GOOD REASON.
It's insulting to talk about "complexities" because it's code-speak for corporations to get permission to continue to RAPE our Treasury to feed The War Machine (Military Industrial Complex).

Get real! Webb's my senator to... with emphasis on HE serves US, not vice versa. :grr:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
fedupinBushcountry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-23-07 11:33 PM
Response to Reply #23
36. Whoa!
First: Definition of complexity

complexity
A noun
1 complexity, complexness

the quality of being intricate and compounded; "he enjoyed the complexity of modern computers"

Second: I am upset with him too.

Chill out.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-23-07 11:52 PM
Response to Reply #36
40. Ok.
Point taken. ;) :hi:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 07:49 AM
Response to Reply #6
48. Webb voted for the deadline in the Reid resolution. So I'm not
sure how he's justifying Reid, and then turning around and saying he's against deadlines. Other than Feingold adds the funding piece.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-23-07 10:37 PM
Response to Original message
12. Webb's approach is the right one. Make it about the troops.
It would be very difficult for Bush to veto a proposal limiting deployments to a reasonable length of time.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-23-07 10:39 PM
Response to Reply #12
15. Bullshit! It's just a way to give a few monetary "wet kisses" to the Military Industrial Complex
until the people take to the street and get "seriously pissed off" ... basically like The Vietnam Conflict. THE PEOPLE forced our damn gutless representatives (both parties) to cease that senseless bloodbath also.

Let's learn from history for a change and STOP the senseless killing NOW?!?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 07:20 AM
Response to Reply #12
43. Let's just hope that they use the tools we are providing them in an effective manner.
Where have we heard that before? Hmmmmmmm? Iraq War Resolution that started this insanity?

Senator Webb has shat a crock-full here.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 07:39 AM
Response to Reply #12
45. Kerry makes it about the troops too
as he always has.

Bush could and would veto such a proposal. He has publicly increased the length of time at least twice that I remember. Do you honestly think he would not reject that as unconstitutionally reducing his power? We're not going to end the war by not having more soldiers to send there.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-23-07 10:38 PM
Response to Original message
14. At least Webb is taking a stand, unlike some...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-23-07 10:40 PM
Response to Reply #14
16. Yeah, a piss poor stand. I'm sick of feeding the War Machine. Shut them down! n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-23-07 10:41 PM
Response to Reply #14
18. Webb hasn't said how he will vote tomorrow yet...nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
fedupinBushcountry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-23-07 10:45 PM
Response to Reply #18
22. He voted NO
on Reid/Feingold, I think I know how he will vote on what will turn out to be Warner's [WEAK) bill.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-23-07 10:45 PM
Response to Original message
21. I liked Webb's Mark Twain reference
"what Mark Twain once wrote, saying that the government in Washington is like two thousand ants floating down the river on a log, each one thinking they're driving it."

Where, with a few creative substitutions, describes my exact feelings sometimes when posting on DU!

"what Mark Twain wrote, saying that the Democratic Underground in Washington is like two thousand ants floating down the river on a log, each one thinking they're driving it."
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-23-07 11:04 PM
Response to Reply #21
27. "saying that the Democratic Underground in Washington is like ..."
I just cannot understand why you choose to put up with us imperfect people from a large diverse message board? :shrug:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 07:57 AM
Response to Reply #27
51. Maybe because you are always angry and confused-
And sooooo.. reactionary-
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-23-07 10:45 PM
Original message
Dupe!
Edited on Wed May-23-07 10:46 PM by Katzenkavalier
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-23-07 10:45 PM
Response to Original message
24. Good post, SaveElmer
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 07:19 AM
Response to Original message
42. Let's just hope that they use the tools we are providing them in an effective manner.
What a crock of shit Senator Webb, what a crock of shit.

:puke:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 07:45 AM
Response to Original message
46. Yep, I was mad at him for his vote (I'm a Virginian). I disagree
about benchmarks. If we don't get a political solution in Iraq, we'll NEVER have any kind of peace there.

I am sure he will vote for the "compromise" bill.

The liberal wing will vote against it. As to your candidate, SaveElmer, I haven't heard what she'll do (or Obama). Dodd is voting no and Biden is voting yes.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Thu May 16th 2024, 05:56 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC