I'll take you on over Obama's record on Iraq and other military

[cali]

foreign affairs vote.

12/18/2007 Iraq Withdrawal Amendment NV
11/16/2007 Supplemental Appropriations for the Department of Defense and Timeline for Withdrawal from Iraq Y
11/16/2007 Emergency Supplemental Appropriations for the Department of Defense N
10/01/2007 National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2008 NV
09/21/2007 Iraq Troop Reduction Amendment Y
09/19/2007 Time Between Troop Deployments Y
07/18/2007 Iraq Troop Reduction Y
05/24/2007 Emergency Departmental Supplemental Appropriations Bill of 2007 N
04/26/2007 Emergency Supplemental Appropriations Bill of 2007 with Iraq Withdrawal Timeline Y
03/27/2007 Iraq Withdrawal Amendment N
03/15/2007 United States Policy in Iraq Resolution of 2007 Y
09/28/2006 Habeas Review Amendment Y
09/28/2006 Military Commissions Amendment Y
09/28/2006 Oversight of CIA Interrogation and Detention Amendment Y
09/28/2006 Military Commissions Act of 2006 N
09/06/2006 Cluster Munitions Amendment Y
06/22/2006 Troop Redeployment Amendment N
02/02/2006 Military Funding and Tax Cuts Amendment Y

Kennedy's record on many of the same votes:

Date Bill Title Vote
12/18/2007 Iraq Withdrawal Amendment Y
11/16/2007 Supplemental Appropriations for the Department of Defense and Timeline for Withdrawal from Iraq Y
11/16/2007 Emergency Supplemental Appropriations for the Department of Defense N
10/01/2007 National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2008 Y
09/21/2007 Iraq Troop Reduction Amendment Y
09/19/2007 Time Between Troop Deployments Y
07/19/2007 Sense of the Senate on Guantanamo Bay Detainees Y
07/18/2007 Iraq Troop Reduction Y
05/24/2007 Emergency Departmental Supplemental Appropriations Bill of 2007 N
04/26/2007 Emergency Supplemental Appropriations Bill of 2007 with Iraq Withdrawal Timeline Y
http://www.vote-smart.org/voting_category.php?can_id=53305

Let's see all you "Obama supports the war" types, tell us how Teddy Kennedy is just a war monger DLCer.

[peoli]

1. Ted Kennedy!

Is a SEXY BEAST!

[SaveElmer]

2. You've got it wrong...

I don't think Obama is a warmonger...and I don't think Hillary is a warmonger...

The defense comes up when folks try to paint Hillary as one, and ignore the fact that since he has been in the Senate Obama and Hillary have nearly identical voting records on the issue...

[Cameron27]

5. Exactly the problem is hypocrisy,

not the way Obama voted.

[maximusveritas]

7. But the IWR was THE vote

It's the one that allowed Bush to send our troops into Iraq and it's the one Hillary made the mistake on. So even if she voted correctly on every other vote, she'd still not overcome that initial mistake

[Windy]

10. Oh I see... jesus christ.

support Clinton's votes! Talk about hypocrisy. Claiming in her campaign to be against the war but voting in an opposite direction...

[cali]

6. Well, this isn't about Clinton

and for the record, I think the meme that she's a war monger is also counterpunch kool-ade

[SaveElmer]

20. Well it seems the reason Obama's record is usually brought up...

Is in response to an anti-Hillary thread on the topic...which is why I responded the way I did

[Colobo]

11. Elmer, do you know you got a first class, leather seat in the Obama Train?

[killbotfactory]

3. If Edwards ver 2.0 went back in time to be in the senate again

And re-voted on everything he's apologized for, he would have a better record than everybody, so there!

Neener neener neener.

[maddiejoan]

4. How do I know

he won't be Edwards 3.0 after being elected President?

[Lurking Dem]

As long as it isn't Edwards ß!

[maddiejoan]

13. hehehe

:rofl:

Edwards Beta is still better than any GOP program.

[killbotfactory]

14. Don't worry, Edwards 2.0 has never made a mistake

in his imaginary time-travelling political career.

[indimuse]

8. Obama voted to confirm pro-war Robert M. Gates to be Secretary of Defense

“4/21/05: Obama voted for HR 1268, war appropriations in the amount of approximately $81 billion. Much of this funding went to Blackwater USA and Halliburton and

disappeared. Roll call 109 (Passed 99-0)

“10/07/05: Obama voted for HR2863, which appropriated $50 billion in new money for war. Roll call 254 (Passed 97-0)

“11/15/05: Obama voted the Defense Authorization Act (S1042) which kept the war and war profiteering alive, restricted the right of habeas corpus and encouraged

terrorism. Pursuant to his pattern, Obama voted for this. Roll call 326 (Passed 98-0)

“12/21/05: Obama confirmed his support for war by voting for the Conference Report on the Defense Appropriations Act (HR 2863), which provided more funding to

Halliburton and Blackwater. Roll call 366 (Passed 93-0)

“5/4/06: Obama, again, voted to adopt HR4939: emergency funding to war profiteers. Roll call 112 (Passed 77-21, all Democrats voting for it)

“6/13/06: Obama voted to commend the armed services for a bombing that killed innocent people and children and reportedly resulted in the death of Abu Musab al-

Zarqawi… Michael Berg, whose son was reportedly killed by al-Zarqawi, condemned the attack and expressed sorrow over the innocent people and children killed in

the bombing that Obama commended. Roll call 168 (Passed 97-0)

“6/15/06: Obama voted for the conference report on HR4939, a bill that gave warmongers more money to continue the killing and massacre of innocent people in Iraq

and allows profiteers to collect more money for scamming the people of New Orleans. Roll Call 171 (Passed 98-1, with all Democrats voting for it)

“6/22/06: Obama again voted for continued war by voting to pass the National Defense Authorization Act (S 2766) for continued war funding. Roll Call 186 (Passed 96-

0)

“9/29/06: Obama voted vote for the conference report on more funding for war, HR 5631. Roll Call 261 (Passed 100-0)

“12/06/06: Obama voted to confirm pro-war Robert M. Gates to be Secretary of Defense. Gates is a supporter of Bush's policies of pre-emptive war and conquest of

foreign countries. Roll Call 272 (Passed 95-2, with every Democrat voting for it)

“Obama's voting record in 2007 establishes that he continues to be pro-war. On March 28, 2007 and March 29th, 2007, he voted for cloture and passage of a bill

designed to give Bush over $120 billion to continue the occupation for years to come (with a suspendable time table) and inclusive of funding that could be used to

launch a war with Iran. Roll calls 117 (Passed 97-0) and 126 (Passed 51-47, with every Democrat voting for it)


From another poster here..

[maximusveritas]

12. Yes, and as I pointed out, all of those were unanimous votes n/t

[cali]

15. not good enough. That's opinion about the votes and much of it's laughable

Gates? Who the fuck do you think busho was going to nominate? St. Francis? And Gates has been a huge improvement over Rumsfeld.

Blatant propaganda and editorializing are right wing values. You're using them in your post.

I suggest you post some links to his votes without the propaganda.

[mike_c]

9. let's see-- they both voted to continue the war-- repeatedly....

I agree with you-- Obama is just about as guilty of keeping this insanity going as Kennedy!

That was your point, right?

[cali]

18. Simplistic black and white thinking!

congrats on being a brother under the skin to bushco. I honestly can't see the difference. You folks who pursue the with us/against us binary paradigm are remarkably similar.

[LWolf]

16. I'm not going to paint TK as anything,

but that comparison doesn't excuse Obama for me. Ted Kennedy is not my hero. He's worked against my profession, and therefore me, since 2001. Just like all other politicians, I respect the work he has done for good, and hold him accountable for work that brings harm.

Ted Kennedy's votes aren't correct just because he casts them.

Obama is quite willing to engage in war. He thinks Iraq is a "dumb" war, although he's been willing to fund it until very recently, while on the campaign trail. Obama should be strong enough to sink or swim without comparing him to Ted Kennedy, for god's sake. If he's not, he sure as hell shouldn't be president.

He sinks on Iraq because funding what you think is "dumb" is not walking your talk, and because his other positions on use of the military to achieve international goals are unacceptable. To me.

[cali]

19. you?

after last night, my contempt for you and anything you have to say, couldn't be stronger. I just wish everyone had read your comments.

I could care less what you and people of your ilk "think".

[mike_c]

21. if you're not interested in discourse why waste your time and ours...?

That was a nasty personal attack, cali. There have been too many of those around here lately. I suggest you step away from the keyboard for a while and regain some perspective. Direct your anger against the "leaders" dragging this country into the gutter, not against the folks who are just as angry about it as you are. Or use the Ignore button.

Just my $0.02.

[LWolf]

22. "After last night?"

I don't remember "speaking" to you at all yesterday, lol.

I'll have to read through my comments from yesterday to see what might have set you off.

Me, and people of my "ilk." Just what "ilk" would that be, pray?

[Bitwit1234]

17. The link has been posted over and over and over and over

OBAMA FEELING HIS "OATS" gave and interview to the Chicago Trib. while running un-opposed (might as well with Keyes as an opponent) said he believed bush, that Iran had nuclear weapons and he would bomb Iran and send in missles.

He hasn't mentioned it in later interviews. And by some strange chance the MSM has never asked him. While he shows his"oats" he keeps repeating about Hillary, who believed bush the same as Obama, and voted to give him permission to look for WMD and bush started a war.

At least one thing Hillary Clinton and none of the other Democrat candidates have said they want to bomb Iran, and they never said they wanted to bomb Iraq. BUT OBAMA DID....and he has missed 150 votes this year. Very very crucial votes.

One to give our military more time between deployments. One to give them more funding for health benefits. One to give seniors the right to bargain for lower prescription prices. One to assist students with school tution..see... if the going gets tough Obama gets going and going and going any place but GOING on record with his votes.

GO TO THE CONGRESSIONAL RECORD .....IT WILL SHOW YOU ALL THE VOTES WIMP HAS MISSED. but you Obama Idolers won't cause then you would have to admit he is the lightest of light weights and doesn't even deserve to be in the sente much less the white house. Which he never will be. Iowa hell what's that. Even if he wins...remember Dean did. And what did it get him.