Kucinich endorsed Donnie McObama; The New Hampshire Freedom to Marry Coalition endorsed Edwards

[Tejanocrat]

From The Advocate

N.H. Gay Group Endorses John Edwards

One of New Hampshire's leading gay rights groups has endorsed former North Carolina senator John Edwards for president. The New Hampshire Freedom to Marry Coalition cited Edwards's commitment to equal rights and fighting discrimination in all forms, according to a press release.

"We took a long look at all of the candidates, we met with many of them, and in our judgment, John Edwards's sincere commitment to battling discrimination and ensuring equal rights for every American is unparalleled," the group's executive director, state representative Mo Baxley, said in the release. "He and his wonderful wife, Elizabeth, have spent their entire lives fighting for those without a voice and standing up for what is right. John Edwards will be the kind of president we can trust to stand up for everyday Americans."

The coalition quotes Edwards as saying he supports the repeal of the military's ban of gay service members as well as the full repeal of the Defense of Marriage Act. He also quoted as saying he would expand hate-crimes legislation and prohibit job discrimination against LGBT workers. The coalition acknowledges that while Edwards support civil unions for same-sex couples, he is not in favor of same-sex marriage.

[Colobo]

1. What a sad post.

[Stop Cornyn]

2. Sad about Obama's embrace of Donnie or the Freedom to Marry Coalition's embrace of Edwards?

[cali]

5. how about sad because of the name calling.

How would you or the OP like it if Obama supporters started referring to Edwards as "hedge fund johny"?

[jefferson_dem]

6. Are you an EdWARds (as in "co-sponsoring" this one) supporter?

:shrug:

[cali]

9. I much prefer "Hedge Fund Johny". n/t

[Stop Cornyn]

14. How 'bout Barack "No Universal Health Care" Obama? No, too long. Mexican Border Wall Obama? No, that

doesn't work well either.

I guess we're stuck with Donnie McObama.

[cali]

21. well, as a hedge fund eddie

you seem to have missed the point. I actually like Plaster Saint John. It works because of the adulation expressed because of his supporters. And you're no good at this.

[Stop Cornyn]

23. Try as I might, I can't think of anything better than Donnie McObama to express my feeling about

Obama's decision to bring an anti-homosexual bigot onto the campaign stage.

[FredScuttle]

25. Amen

I've been using "ex-gay" clown, but I prefer Donnie McObama much more

[cali]

28. well, Hedge Fund Johny's decision to invest in a company that

foreclosed on NOLA Katrina victims via predatory lending, caused pain and suffering of a greater magnitude. But you guys have noo problem with that. I'm troubled by Obama's actions. You all just make pathetic excuses.

[Stop Cornyn]

32. First, you have the facts wrong. Second, did anyone accuse the NO residents of having a "sickness"

that could be "cured" if they would just pray hard enough?

[Clark2008]

29. We could call him Johnny "I'm not comfortable with gay marriage" Edwards.

http://lesbianlife.about.com/cs/workschool/p/johnedwards.htm

Edwards opposes same-sex marriage, but he does not think the Constitution should be amended to define marriage as between a man and a woman. He supports civil unions.

On 2/24/04 Edwards said in response to President Bush's proposed Constitutional amendment, "I am against the president's constitutional amendment on gay marriage...I don't personally support gay marriage myself. My position has always been that it's for the states to decide."

:shrug:

[Stop Cornyn]

33. I trust the New Hampshire Freedom to Marry Coalition over your judgment on this issue.

[cali]

22. That should be "EdWARdians. n/t

[niyad]

3. WHO is this "donnie mcobama"?

[Tejanocrat]

7. This guy:

[niyad]

13. and what is this picture supposed to tell me? a picture doesn't tell me who, or what, this person

is.

[Tejanocrat]

17. I assumed you were kidding. Here's a real link:

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2007/10/obamas-link-to-.html

Here's an excerpt:

Barack Obama is drawing fire for including Donnie McClurkin, a Grammy-winning gospel singer who has crusaded against homosexuality, on a concert and political tour that the Democratic presidential candidate will launch in South Carolina later this week.

Commentator Earl Ofari Hutchinson, author of "A Colored Man's Journey Through 20th Century Segregated America" and several other books that examine race relations, posted a blog over the weekend calling on Obama to "cancel and repudiate" the tour -- "and do it now" -- because of McClurkin. Hutchinson terms the singer a "notorious gay basher" and charged that Obama "ripped a page from the Bush campaign playbook" by traveling with him.

[niyad]

18. thanks-- I realized who it was after I responded to you.--guess I haven't had

enough caffeine today, brain is a little slow.

[annie1]

4. lmao @ donnie mcobama. lol.

[cali]

8. really?

so you love "Hitlery" right? How about "hedge fund eddie"?

[annie1]

10. hedge fund johnny actually made me laugh.

[cali]

12. and you looved

"hitlery" right? None of these are funny. They're meant to inflame and offend. Sad that you can't see that.

[annie1]

16. oh heavens.

[FredScuttle]

20. What is so "offensive" about Donnie McObama?

It's not like we're calling him "Barry"....or "B. Hussein Obama" or anything like that.

You would only be sensitive about the nickname if you felt guilty about his association with an "ex-gay" clown like Donnie McClosetcase.....er, McClurkin.

[Tejanocrat]

36. EXACTLY! If I intended to be offensive, I'd have called him Donnie Hussein McObama.

[FredScuttle]

11. "Donnie McObama"

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

[TeamJordan23]

15. Hey, keep it clean. No reason for name calling. Act like a Dem, please. nm

[FredScuttle]

19. No name-calling? Like calling "homosexuality a curse", like Pastor McObama?

Yeah, you're right. We're so much better than that.

[TeamJordan23]

27. Barack Obama has never said such a thing. Fortunately for us, people are smarter than you. nm

[FredScuttle]

35. Of course he hasn't (I never said he did)

Obama can keep his hands clean and the "Audacity of Hope" sham can continue because Saint Obama has willing flunkies like his good friend, the "ex-gay" clown Donnie McClurkin, to reach out to religious bigots and do his dirty work for him

[CyberPieHole]

24. K&R n/t

:kick:

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

26. You'd rather he endorse the homophobe- John Edwards?

[Clark2008]

30. Bingo.

Now we see why I'm having such trouble choosing a candidate.

Nearly all positions by these jokers are the same.

[Lurking Dem]

31. I posted this in another thread

addressing this topic. Maybe it will help, maybe it will make things worse. :shrug:

I am able to appreciate the writings of Voltaire. Yet he also wrote "{Jews} are ... the greatest scoundrels who have ever sullied the face of the globe ... They are, all of them, born with raging fanaticism in their hearts, just as the Bretons and Germans are born with blond hair."

Thirty of his 118 essays in Dictionary of Philosophy deal with Jews and how horrible they are. In fact he described them as "the most abominable people in the world."

Yet he also said, "Every man is guilty of all the good he did not do."

Franz Liszt composed incredible works that I find tremendously moving. Yet he said, "The day will come when all nations amidst which the Jews are dwelling will have to raise the question of their wholesale expulsion, a question which will be one of life or death, good health or chronic disease, peaceful existence or perpetual social fever."

My point is, people are never all good or all evil. People who have lived upright, indeed moral, lives in every way can hold onto beliefs, either societal or historical, that reflect badly on them.

Obama stated in his book that he recognized his belief that marriage was between a man and a woman was etched into him by religious and social mores of his upbringing and that time would likely prove him to be on the wrong side of history in that regard.

Because he is willing to listen to arguments with an open mind and heart and is not afraid of having his mind changed, he believes there are other people out there - people who at heart are good people - whose minds can be changed through well reasoned, logical argument.

His record on supporting gay friendly legislation is sound. His belief that the government should not confer marriage on anyone but civil unions for everyone with equal rights under the law is one I have held for many, many years.

Some people don't agree with that and that is fine. They have every right to hold a different opinion and to argue theirs.

Ethical dualism is common to everyone. It is archetypal. I see nothing wrong with a belief that our choices between good thoughts/acts and evil thoughts/acts can be influenced through dialog and that societal paradigm shifts occur because of that.

[Tejanocrat]

34. I also wouldn't support Voltaire or Liszt if they ran for president.

[FredScuttle]

37. I'll keep that in mind when Voltaire and Liszt are running for elected office

where they have influence over legislation to give millions the civil rights they've been denied for too long.

I join with my LGBT brothers and sisters in saying that we're not looking for a "perfect" candidate, but we can certainly do better than a craven hypocrite who doesn't hesistate to welcome in an "ex-gay" clown bigot to troll for bigot votes in South Carolina.

By the way, how can Obama claim with a straight face that his "religious" mores shaped his belief that marriage was between a man and a woman when his own church (UCC) supports gay marriage?

[waiting for hope]

38. Who ever said he was a homophobe?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

39. Well that's the thing, nobody ever talks about it.

He is as much a homophobic bigot as Obama, but nobody brings it up.

[waiting for hope]

40. I really don't believe that -

With a wife like Elizabeth, I seriously doubt it. But, since you can see into the man's soul - please feel free to talk it up. :sarcasm:

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

41. He's against gay marriage.

Ergo, he's a homophobic bigot.

Sorry.

[waiting for hope]

43. What a very small mind you have -

Honestly - if he were a true bigot, then why would he propose all of this:

Equal Rights for Same-Sex Couples

Edwards believes that all couples in committed, long-term relationships should have the same rights, benefits, and responsibilities, whether they are straight couples or same-sex couples. He supports civil unions to guarantee gay and lesbian couples the same rights as straight couples, including inheritance rights, hospital visitation rights, equal pension and health care benefits, and all of the 1,100 other legal protections government affords married couples. Edwards supports the full repeal of the Defense of Marriage Act. He also believes same-sex families should be treated in the same manner as other families by our immigration laws. Edwards believes the right president could lead the country toward consensus around equal rights and benefits for all couples in committed, long-term relationships and he opposes divisive Constitutional amendments to ban same-sex marriages.

Workplace Discrimination

Workers should be judged by the quality of their performance, not their sexual orientation or gender identity. While in the Senate, Edwards cosponsored the Employment Non-Discrimination Act. He also believes that stronger enforcement is necessary to prevent employment discrimination by federal agencies.

Military Service

Edwards opposes the current "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy on gays and lesbians serving in our military. The military ought to treat all service members equally and in a way that promotes national security, without regard to their sexual orientation.

Adoption

Edwards believes that gay and lesbian parents should be able to adopt children just like any other parents. There are over 120,000 children waiting for homes in our nation's foster care system. Adoption placements should be decided by judges and adoption agencies based upon the best interests of the children. Both members of a same-sex couple raising children together should be able to form a legal relationship with their children.

Hate Crimes

Everyone is entitled to live in dignity without fear of violence. We should strengthen the ability of law enforcement to investigate and prosecute hate crimes based on race, gender, religion, national origin, sexual orientation, disability or gender identity. While in the Senate, Edwards cosponsored legislation to give law enforcement agencies the tools they need to investigate and prosecute hate crimes.

HIV and AIDS

The loss from HIV/AIDS is almost beyond understanding. Edwards believes we have a moral imperative to do much more, and do it much better. He is the first presidential candidate -- Democratic or Republican -- to propose a comprehensive strategy this year to stop the HIV/AIDS epidemic at home and around the world, building on his plan for true universal health care with specific proposals to expand Medicaid to cover HIV-positive individuals before they reach later stages of disabilities and AIDS and increase support for the Ryan White CARE Act and HOPWA programs. He will also fight the disease in the African-American and Latino communities where the harm is now greatest and employ science-based prevention strategies -- including comprehensive, age-appropriate sex education and harm-reduction programs that provide high-risk individuals with access to clean syringes.

The Rights Of Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual & Transgender Americans

And what about this endorsement?

N.H. gay group endorses John Edwards

SUMMARY: A leading gay rights group has endorsed presidential candidate John Edwards because of his commitment to equal rights.

One of New Hampshire's leading gay rights groups has endorsed former North Carolina senator John Edwards for president. The New Hampshire Freedom to Marry Coalition cited Edwards's commitment to equal rights and fighting discrimination in all forms, according to a press release.

"We took a long look at all of the candidates, we met with many of them, and in our judgment, John Edwards's sincere commitment to battling discrimination and ensuring equal rights for every American is unparalleled," the group's executive director, state representative Mo Baxley, said in the release. "He and his wonderful wife, Elizabeth, have spent their entire lives fighting for those without a voice and standing up for what is right. John Edwards will be the kind of president we can trust to stand up for everyday Americans."

The coalition quotes Edwards as saying he supports the repeal of the military's ban of gay service members as well as the full repeal of the Defense of Marriage Act. He also quoted as saying he would expand hate-crimes legislation and prohibit job discrimination against LGBT workers. The coalition acknowledges that while Edwards support civil unions for same-sex couples, he is not in favor of same-sex marriage. (The Advocate)

http://news.yahoo.com/s/po/20071218/co_po/nhgaygroupendorsesjohnedwards

and he has said repeatedly over and over that he is for the Separation of Church and State - and that it would not be his job to mandate how people live their lives.....these are not words of a bigot.

[Stop Cornyn]

44. I trust the New Hampshire Freedom to Marry Coalition over your half-assed judgment on this issue.

[xchrom]

42. kick

[Tejanocrat]

45. Thanks

[xchrom]

46. you betchya.

[Tejanocrat]

47. kick because apparently there are some who don't get it yet