Well, let's not forget what REALLY matters- Sen. Clinton lost.

[Guaranteed]

I'll be quite happy with either Obama or Edwards as our nominee.

I just thank God Clinton lost, and lost hard.

[Pastiche423]

1. Senator Clinton lost

Three little words have made me feel better than I have in years!

[Guaranteed]

2. Yup. The Dems are waking up.

That's even splitting the anti-Clinton vote between Obama and Edwards- and she beat neither of them.

Excellent, excellent news. Possibly the end of triangulation? The beginning of a new era of leadership?

I suppose we will just have to see.

[Whisp]

53. feeling a bit perky about that myself. ;)

[Redneck Socialist]

3. Yup, most important bit to come out of tonight

I'm bummed that Edwards didn't do better, but I'm overjoyed that Clinton dropped to third. Now it's up to NH to kick her to the curb.

[Windy]

12. I was thrilled that she ended up under 30%...

just having the old guard behind her on the podium during her concession speech while trying to say she's for change said it all!!

She was gracious though...I'll give her that.

[mahina]

30. Just have to say, this kind of thread is an embarassment

and no way to win. Let's not pull defeat from the jaws of victory by dropping to this level. Eeesh.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

56. agreed. nt

people need to grow up.

[Morereason]

64. I don't agree. We have reason to celebrate even if it is a small win against corporatism

She lost because she was seen as part of the corporate establishment. It is just a small win and may not be significant against the final outcome, but when the people win over corporatism it is something to be celebrated. This sends a Strong, needed message to DC, the DLC, and the DNC

[tekisui]

4. The start of a trend.

Until tonight, it was all theoretical polls.

[Ewellian]

5. yup...she lost hard .

Delelgates:

Obama: 16
Clinton: 15
Edwards: 14

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/state/#IA

[Zodiak]

That's one way to look at it

But here are the real numbers

Obama 38%
Edwards 30%
Clinton 29%

How Clinton gets one more delegate confuses me with the percentages as they were. But whatever. I personally am glad she lost...she does not represent a step forward for this party.

[Ewellian]

19. The nominee isn't chosen by raw vote totals.

The delegate counts are the real numbers.

[Zodiak]

45. That is not what was being measured

The appeal of the candidates are what is being measured, not how many delegates they get. Reporting the delegates is spin to cover up the fact that she had such a dismal performace when it came to raw support. Most of the delegates for that state will not be determined until they actually have a primary. This was a preliminary test to measure support, and Hillary lost her butt. Her 1 delegate difference only means that it didn;t hurt her delegate count that bad, but there is still egg all over her face.

And I am happy.

[KennedyGuy]

6. So you're saying Obama didn't win..but Hillary lost?

hopeful..

[Guaranteed]

7. Damned right I'm hopeful.

Haven't been this hopeful in awhile. ;)

[Ewellian]

10. Hillary should get out now...

she'll never be able to overcome that one delegate lead Obama has. She should probably resign her Senate seat in disgrace too.

[Zodiak]

15. Interesting how you report it in terms of delegates

Spin much?

She was nearly 10% less popular than the front-runner and she outspent the tar out of the person she lost 2nd place to.

Her loss is a real set-back.

And I consider this very hopeful. This party will not succeed by wistfully looking at the past...part of the Clinton past is what got us into this trouble in the first place and she shows no desire to deviate from the old ways. I am glad that Iowa rejected her "inevitability".

[Ewellian]

21. I don't do spin...just facts.

I just reported the delegate count...that's how the nominee is chosen.

[Zodiak]

46. Only because the actual popular count makes her look worse

And that is spin.

No one cared about delegates last night....they only cared about how much support the candidates could raise. You are deliberately avoiding that issue.

And spin can be done with facts....especially if you pick and choose which facts to present or allow to be presented in rebuttal. That is a form of spin called "framing", but I suspect you know that already.

Just don't treat the rest of us like we are dumb enough to buy it.

[Colobo]

8. Good-bye to the Clintons. Let's welcome the Obama's.

[emilyg]

26. Not so fast.

One state does not make a President.

[leftynyc]

50. After one state???

How about giving the rest of the country a say?

[BenDavid]

9. DUH! HRC lost 1 state out of 50...Now lets get down to some

serious chit and see if obama can go nationwide.....Other then illinois on the 5th just where is obama going to gain more delegates? Granted the polls will shift but HRC will still have the lead except for Illinois....So, do not measure the draperies just yet obama people.....and one other thing, never, and never under estimate a clinton in political races. You do at your own peril and now the real fun begins....Here is the list

Alabama 60 Primary
Alaska 18 Caucus
Arizona 67 Primary
Arkansas 47 Primary
California 441 Primary
Colorado 71 Caucus
Connecticut 60 Primary
Delaware 23 Primary
Georgia 103 Primary
Idaho 23 Caucus
Illinois 185 Primary
Kansas 41 Caucus
Massachusetts 121 Primary
Minnesota 88 Caucus
Missouri 88 Primary
New Jersey 127 Primary
New Mexico 38 Caucus
New York 281 Primary
North Dakota 21 Caucus
Oklahoma 47 Primary
Tennessee 85 Primary
Utah 29 Primary

[jgraz]

18. This was a big loss. The details make it even worse

She lost the women's vote to Obama. She lost the indepents' vote to Obama. She lost the entire caucus to Edwards AND Obama. And only 20% of caucus-goers think her main feature -- experience -- is important.

That's a pretty big rejection of her message.

[eridani]

34. If voters thought experience was important--

--then Dodd, Biden and Richardson would be the top three.

[Dr Fate]

20. Iowa is about as moderate to right as it gets.

So I'm not sure if the Clintons/DLC will go MORE conservative than they already do or what.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

33. Ben, I gotta say

You are a good supporter of your candidate.

[Renew Deal]

39. Should I bother reposting what you wrote last night?

:evilgrin:

[jgraz]

42. Oh please...

Pretty please? :evilgrin:

[joeprogressive]

11. K/R n/t

[HughMoran]

13. I was happy that Romney lost

I hate Romney.

[incapsulated]

14. No, what matters is Edwards lost

LOST LOST LOST

hahahahaha!

Suck it.

[Pastiche423]

24. Don't know if you meant what you wrote

but I am ELATED he lost. If I could dance again, I'd be dancing until I dropped!

[incapsulated]

25. Oh, I meant it

Let's dance!

:toast:

[Pastiche423]

29. I am pretending I am doing

the happy, happy, joy, joy dance now!

Backacha - :toast:

[BlueStater]

37. Very amusing

I guess since pratically the only thing you guys contributed to this forum was constant whining about Edwards, we can expect to see you a lot less from now on since he's no longer around for you to whine about?

[Pastiche423]

40. I wasn't whining

I was rejoicing! It is no secret on this site that I have been against johnnyboy since his second year in the senate. My vote helped get him there and I have been greatly disappointed. He, quite frankly, sucked as a senator. He ignored his constituents.

His co-sponsorship of and his vote for the IWR did him in as far as I am concerned. For gods' sake, he promoted *'s war!

You may be all for killing innocent people that never did anything to harm our country, but I am not.

[BlueStater]

58. "You may be all for killing innocent people..."

You're a real clown, you know that? Get a life.

[Pastiche423]

61. Just stating the obvious

It's in the Congressional record. He did co-sponsor the IWR, which could only have been for three reasons:

He believed *

He wanted the war

He voted for it to expedite a future run


Since he's your candidate, therefore you approve of his co-sponsorship and vote.

[BlueStater]

62. None of their hands are clean

Hillary voted for the war too and Mr. Obama, despite all his anti-war rhetoric, still chooses to continue funding it.

[Pastiche423]

63. Did either Clinton or Obama co-sponsor the IWR?

[incapsulated]

41. I sure hope so!

If he is out my WORK IS DONE HERE.

Of course, I've been a member for years, not that this matters, and talked about a lot more than his SORRY LOSING ASS.

:evilgrin:

[BlueStater]

60. Well, I'm not going into why you hate Edwards so much and talk about him in such a hateful tone

But wouldn't it make more sense to post something positive about your candidate than talk about another one in snarky, unappealing way? Or do you even have a candidate?

[JI7]

59. Edwards says the race is now him against Obama

i think he viewed Obama's victory as a victory for himself in some way.

[fujiyama]

16. The Clintons needed this and so did many of her supporters

even if Clinton gets the nomination still (this is far from over), it's important she experienced a defeat. It will force her to eat some humble pie and realize that the party isn't interested in "inevitability" and that the "magic" of the Clintons may be fading. I hope she realizes she needs to do more than triangulate and pander to win.

She seemed a lot less arrogant than she has in a while and was quite gracious in her speech. I hope it's a sign of things to come.

[Dr Fate]

22. That is the positive take that I have too.

I'm not for Clinton winning the nom- but I agree that this might force her to adjust her strategy and maybe start paying attention to the base a tiny bit.

As for changing the attitude of her supporters- I think that would actually be a good thing for her and the base.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

31. I thought she gave a great speech too. Gracious, dignified, and generous.

Well done, Senator Clinton. :thumbsup:

[goclark]

55. She needs to say "sorry" for that War vote and she needs to

dump Carville and as much as I love Bill, she needs to stand on her own two feet and RUN for PRESIDENT.

She needs to have a vision to inspire the youth of this country.

I love HC. I've seen her speak and she is awesome!

However, she can't hold a candle to Obama.

She needs to stop talking about all of her experience "while she was at the WH."

I do believe that she did a lot of good and probably did more than they let GORE do but she was not ELECTED to do anything.

I would absolutely support her if she gets the nomination but we'll see.

[loveangelc]

17. thank God!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=YwEMxYggoKQ

[JVS]

23. I'm waiting to see what happens in NH.

Who can last longer Edwards or Clinton.

Although I think her poor showing in Iowa probably means Clinton is the big loser. After all, Edwards was considered a distant 3rd among the top tier last week.

[Guaranteed]

28. Do you see all the positive, king-making coverage Obama is getting

on TV? His support will only increase.

Good to see you, BTW.

[2hip]

27. Schadenfreude! nt

[Beacool]

32. Hillary lost tonight, Obama will lose down the road.

This is far from over, and your hate for a fellow Democrat just makes us work harder to ensure that she has a strong showing on Feb. 5th.

[bonito]

35. Yes! exactly n/t

[Imagevision]

36. Hillary? that's what happens when the people have a hard time liking you...

[question everything]

38. She lost Iowa, there are 49 other states

you know, with more people voting than the "huge" number of 239,000.

[here_is_to_hope]

43. Does this mean I can clean up my 'ignore' list now? n/t

[ronnykmarshall]

52. I'm updating mine.

[BigDDem]

44. Go ahead, right her off....please

The political graveyard is full of those who have written
the Clinton's off.

[suston96]

47. I just thank God Clinton lost, and lost hard. Huh?

100% in (1781/1781)

Obama 37.58%

Edwards 29.75%

Hillary 29.47%


And the delegates:

Obama 16

Hillary 15

Edwards 14

Sorry, that was not a "hard loss". That was a squeaker. If you finish in the top three in any horse race it is: win, place, and show.

[Jennicut]

48. Ding dong the witch is dead?

Perhaps. I will say that the fact that she lost (and came in third) is about the only thing that united my Repub-loving parents and me in joy this morning. When you use others to gain power, trample and blacklist and send out your lackeys to twist arms, well people get turned off. I don't like her "people", I don't like her. I don't like power hungry families. We already had two Bushes and that turned out to be a real golden moment in history. As for being united I will vote for Hillary is she is our nominee as any Repub is worse. Still, I don't want her for my president. Obama or Edwards is just fine. By the way, I'm a woman.

[Cameron27]

49. "the witch is dead,"

and proud to say that as a woman. :eyes:

[Forkboy]

51. I think people who thinks she's done for are deluding themselves.

:shrug:

[mistertrickster]

54. Amen, bro. The "inevitable candidate" just got smacked down by that ignored group, the voters. nt

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

57. Hear hear.