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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 12:41 PM
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More evidence of "change" from the Clinton camp: Bill says Hillary can also be "the comeback kid"


Former President Bill Clinton rallied to his wife's cause today, saying Hillary's disappointing third-place finish in Thursday's Iowa caucuses was not a fatal blow. He predicted that she can be the "comeback kid" just like he was. "Absolutely," he told ABC News at a campaign event for his wife.

Clinton Camp Loses Iowa"Remember I lost here," he added, referring to his New Hampshire loss to Paul Tsongas in 1992 . Hillary Clinton finished in third place in Iowa getting 30 percent of the vote. She was edged out of a second-place finish by former North Carolina Sen. John Edwards.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=4085083&page=1
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 12:43 PM
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1. They're trotting out all the oldies-but-goodies. NT
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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 01:00 PM
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7. And they still don't realize people ain't buying it anymore
Hopefully we won't be subjected to the rest of the old cast of characters.
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Sulawesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 12:44 PM
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2. Some context on past IA, NH results...the few general observations do not favor a comeback
1972. Muskie quit the race. He was a front runner, won Iowa, but it was clear Mcgovern had momentum. Muskie even won NH barely, but upstart McGovern was on the rise. Obama is no Muskie. If anything, Obama is like McGovern here.

1976. Carter won IA and NH and steamrolled Wallace.

1980. Carter/Mondale Incumbent

1984. Gary Hart came from nowhere to place well in Iowa, but lost, his momentum carries him to a win in NH, but his campaign dies owing to scandal. Mondale takes it. Here Mondale was the Obama-like upstart but his campaign got derailed.

1988. Dukakis places third in IA, but first in NH, then picked up...primaries bitter and his opponents melted, this was the one where Plagiarism charges derailed Biden early. Here, Dukakis was reeling from Iowa, but the Biden plagiarism and NH's first uncontested primary was near MA so he could right the ship. This is the best model for Hillary, and emphasizes the importance of NH.

1992. Clinton ahead nationally does not contest IA because Tom Harkin is in the race. NH run derailed by scandal, but parlays his 2nd place finish as the comeback kid. Tsongas slips in the southern states as Clinton regains the favorite status and rolls on. Another model here for Hillary, but she needs to turn things around. Unlike Bill, Hillary will not roll over her opponents in the southern states, so NH is the firewall.

1996. Clinton/Gore Incumbent

2000. Gore wins IA and NH on the way to the nomination.

2004. Kerry wins IA and NH on the way to the nomination. IA momentum credited for the turnaround of a sagging campaign.


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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 03:52 PM
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9. The Scandal Occurred In 1988
1984. Gary Hart came from nowhere to place well in Iowa, but lost, his momentum carries him to a win in NH, but his campaign dies owing to scandal. Mondale takes it. Here Mondale was the Obama-like upstart but his campaign got derailed.



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incapsulated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 12:45 PM
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3. You are surprised? (and she can)
And if she does, you will have it rammed down your throat even more, lol.

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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 12:48 PM
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4. Awww...Aren't you sweet?
I have to wonder if there would have been as much grace and good will on this board last night...if she won.

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incapsulated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 03:56 PM
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12. Awww, aren't you oversensitive?
I'm not a supporter and it was a joke, jesus.

I THINK YOU ARE ALL INSANE.
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 12:53 PM
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5. That didn't take long--the "comeback kid" line!
Bill Clinton, of course, did not really compete in the Iowa caucuses, because Tom Harkin was favorite son candidate.
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 12:55 PM
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6. And, technically, he didn't win NH either.
Tsongas did.
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 03:50 PM
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8. That's right. He came in second to Tsongas, as I recall.
Edited on Fri Jan-04-08 03:52 PM by flpoljunkie
Tsongas also memorably branded Bill Clinton as the "pander bear."
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Carolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 03:55 PM
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11. touche
Good reminder, flpojunkie.

I loved Bill Clinton back in 1991 when I first heard him speak.
But that was then, this is now.
Hillary is no Bill and you are so right about Iowa!
:hi:
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 03:53 PM
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10. Bill should have thrown his support behind a better candidate.
Sucks to be him.
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RoveRage Donating Member (322 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 04:10 PM
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14. I too thought Bill was much more politically-savvy. n/t
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gorekerrydreamticket Donating Member (422 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 04:09 PM
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13. 60 year old kid?
"Comeback Matron" maybe...
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