Obama speech was too "SOARING" for the moment. Iowa caucus doesn't call for that kind of rhetoric

[Proud2BAmurkin]

It didn't fit the moment and seemed forced. It would have been a good CONVENTION speech but hit me as over wrought for what was practically a three way tie in an early caucus. Basically reinforced the whole pretty words, no substance feeling I get.

[babylonsister]

1. Yup, that was some sucky speech.

:eyes:

[Proud2BAmurkin]

17. It was a good speech for a bigger moment. Overdone for an Iowa victory. nt

nt

[ChairmanAgnostic]

2. really. how dare he. He should strive to be as boring as Hillary and

her canned oratory. Yeah, that's the ticket.

[maddiejoan]

7. HIllary gave a wonderful speech

So did Obama and Edwards.

we have a great group of candidates.

To say Hillary's IA speech was boring is just silly. It was gracious and inspiring.

[Joe the Revelator]

38. What was inspiring about it?

Just asking.

[maddiejoan]

40. Rather a subjective question

But I liked her message that the Democratic Party will bring change in 2008.

She didn't make it about Hillary --she made it about all of us.

In that way I found it more inspiring than either Edwards or Obama.

[Joe the Revelator]

43. Didn't you find it odd that she latched on to Edwards and Obama

The two who have been talking change from the beginning, and the two (or arguably one) that inspired people enough to vote for them because of change?

If you look at the exit numbers, not many who wanted "change" voted for Hillary.

[maddiejoan]

46. No I didn't find it odd.

She represents change just as much as they do.

[Joe the Revelator]

48. As she stood there, in front of a group of relics from the 90's

with her entire candidacy now based on nostalgia for the 90s, I didn't get the impression of "exciting change!" that I do from Obama and to a lesser extent, Edwards.

[maddiejoan]

49. Those are your perceptions

not mine.

I can almost guarantee you that I'm not likely to change my mind, so why argue with my opinions --it's a waste of your time....and mine.

[Joe the Revelator]

50. Because people should back up what they say

It's not an amazing, out of line question, to ask you what you found inspiring about Hillary's speech, and then to ask you HOW she represents changes, when everything about her screams 14 years ago.

[maddiejoan]

51. again that's YOUR perception

everything about her doesn't scream 14 years ago to me --with the exception of her name.

[Renew Deal]

Three way tie? lol

That's the funniest thing I heard all day.

[maddiejoan]

12. *ahem*

Delegates:

Obama 16
Clinton 15
Edwards 14

that's about as close to a 3 way tie as it gets.

[Renew Deal]

15. 38-30-29

Those are the numbers that mattered last night. Don't believe me? Just look at the fallout today. Those are the numbers being reported.

[maddiejoan]

27. I make up my own mind

Don't really use what's 'reported" as a means of discerning fact.

But thanks for your concern.

[Renew Deal]

28. Those numbers are fact

:shrug:

[maddiejoan]

31. so are mine

That's the fun thing about numbers.

[Renew Deal]

36. lol

:pals:

[Hippo_Tron]

44. Iowa isn't about delegates it's about proving yourself

[acmavm]

3. Yeah, talk down to them Iowa hayseeds!

:sarcasm:

[sandnsea]

4. He won by 8 pts, not a tie

And you're seriously criticizing his speech because it was significantly better than any of the rest? Too funny.

[TwilightGardener]

Indeed, a strange angle of attack.

[TwilightGardener]

5. It was his first (and crucial) victory, and the eyes of the nation and the world

were on him. It was beautiful, and perfect.

[EFerrari]

6. I agree. He should just shut the f up. So what if he made history.

He doesn't have to say it out loud.

[stillcool]

16. I noticed those supporters...

were not happy either. I don't know why the MSM even bothered to carry it. I would have preferred if they stuck with the interview with Guiliani in Florida...much more appropriate.

[jpak]

8. I disagree

I'm an Edwards supporter but last night was just plain fucking historic.

And Obama's speech was more than appropriate...

[debatepro]

9. Uhh

How does the momentous occasion of a black man winning the Iowa caucus really fit a convention speech? I mean it would be like 6 or 7 months too late. I am not sure which "pretty words" you are talking about but I am pretty sure all the candidates used them last night even biden.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

20. That's what I mean. A black man winning the nomination is big. Winning election is huge. But

winning Iowa caucus. eh.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

10. Yes. Obama's speech was too good!

Clinton's loss is a sign of strength!

Move forward, not backward!

Upward, not forward!

And always twirling, Twirling, TWIRLING towards the future!

[Debi]

18. THAT needs to be cross-stitched on a throw pillow!

Beautiful :applause:

[sniffa]

32. *snort*

:rofl:

[alcibiades_mystery]

35. Gahahahahah

Perfect.

[jbane]

11. I'm not really in agreement with you because...

He really needed to win to get a jump on Hil. He has momentum now.

[Alexander]

13. Yeah, winning by 7 points is a "three way tie". Sure,

:rofl:

[Debi]

14. Yup, us Iowans don't want em using them big words after a victory

:eyes:

His involvement in the process added over 110,000 new voter to the rolls - he had an 8% victory (not quite a tie) and the next contest is only 5 days away (and according to the NH Sec. of State it will break their state records for primary participation).

What better moment to soar?

[IA_Seth]

33. Yeah, we prefer a primal scream..

Oh wait.

Ha ha.

Just wanted to poke fun at Dean one last time for you.

[Debi]

41. Heh

[Vinca]

19. I was quite moved by the speech. nt

[Proud2BAmurkin]

21. I wanted to be but couldn't match it to anything that was happening in real life.

That's what I meant by overdone.

[Big Blue Marble]

22. Sometimes, denial can be difficult to overcome.

I was moved to tears by that speech. It was one of the best political speeches I have ever heard. And I believe that
is how it will be remembered. It was an incredible moment in the history of our country.

[THUNDER HANDS]

23. any other candidate gives that speech and DU would explode

with shock and adoration.

Or to be more precise, the corners of DU that aren't already for Obama.

[jefferson_dem]

25. That's the point.

No other candidate could give that speech.

Ezra Klein -

Obama's finest speeches do not excite. They do not inform. They don't even really inspire. They elevate. They enmesh you in a grander moment, as if history has stopped flowing passively by, and, just for an instant, contracted around you, made you aware of its presence, and your role in it. He is not the Word made flesh, but the triumph of word over flesh, over color, over despair. The other great leaders I've heard guide us towards a better politics, but Obama is, at his best, able to call us back to our highest selves, to the place where America exists as a glittering ideal, and where we, its honored inhabitants, seem capable of achieving it, and thus of sharing in its meaning and transcendence.

http://www.prospect.org/csnc/blogs/ezraklein_archive?month=01&year=2008&base_name=obamas_gift

[book_worm]

24. that's just plain silly.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

26. Hello, he won - a good win - out in front!

[murielm99]

29. He wasn't speaking solely to his supporters and to Iowans.

He knew the eyes of the world were on him. Of course it was an appropriate speech.

[laureloak]

30. HEY OBAMA: EXACTLY WHAT ARE YA GONNA DO, ??????

Be vague forever?

[alcibiades_mystery]

34. It was too good for just an Iowa caucus?

That's really your argument?

:rofl:

[elixir]

37. No, that the speech was overreaching for the first in many contests..

There are going to be plenty of more challenges. He should save the "they said we wouldn't make it this far" stuff until he has at least IA and NH under his belt. If that happens.

[stray cat]

39. Great campaign speech for New Hampshire - good move!

He had an audience and used his moment. The contrast with a Bush speech was mind boggling.

[TreasonousBastard]

42. This is a joke, right? A joke? Really? I can't...

imagine anyone complaining that a speech was "too good."

[Perky]

45. Just wait to January 20, 2009 12:02 PM

[Politicub]

47. I love this post because

it's a nice bookend for the "Edwards should have congratulated Obama in his speech" threads.

Everyone needs to get a grip! There are a lot of primary races to go. I liked Obama's speech. Sometimes it's nice to feel warm fuzzies based on empty platitudes.