Clinton: Obama's Too Liberal

[jefferson_dem]

Clinton: Obama's Too Liberal
04 Jan 2008 11:58 pm

Hillary Clinton's campaign seems determined to convince Barack Obama's detractors in the blogosphere that he is so a liberal after all:

Hillary's aides point to Obama's extremely progressive record as a community organizer, state senator and candidate for Congress, his alliances with "left-wing" intellectuals in Chicago's Hyde Park community, and his liberal voting record on criminal defendants' rights as subjects for examination.

Progressive record? Heaven forbid! I thought he didn't have experience.

http://matthewyglesias.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/01/clinton_obamas_too_liberal.php

[ingac70]

1. She better not go this route...

Given the negative vibe voters have right now for the right, she really don't want to be coming from that side.

Why can't she highlight positive stuff about herself instead of going negative on Obama?

[silverojo]

34. Because she's a bitch.

I'm sorry, I'm not being facetious here, but it just had to be said. Going negative is the only thing HRC knows how to do, aside from flip-flopping to suck up to every group of people that she can think of.

A person who has confidence in herself CAN stick to her own beliefs, express her own positive attributes, and convince people to follow her. She obviously has no true confidence in herself, or she wouldn't feel the need to make negative comments about other people to elevate herself (she thinks). She wouldn't need to have her hubby stick up for her when the going gets tough, either.

I'll repeat the quote: I'd love to see a woman president, but not this particular woman.

[Bullet1987]

35. Damn...that was kinda uncalled for you know

[Adelante]

37. EE stands up for her husband when the going gets tough

Sexist nonsense from you.

[MrSlayer]

2. That's actually a compliment.

And a point for Obama in my opinion.

[Forkboy]

3. Funny on two levels...

One, he isn't all that liberal..

And two, like it would be a bad thing if he was.

Of course, the "aide" quote is always handy as well....

Guess that makes three levels! :think:

[Mythsaje]

4. Well, there's a fairly Republican viewpoint for a Dem, wouldn't you say? n/t

[BeyondGeography]

5. On the same day Edwards' campaign calls him a corporate sellout

Tough nut to crack, that Obama.

[Skip Intro]

6. Christ. Can I just pick a blog opinoin blurb and post it as some major event too?

Wow - some blogger says something somewhere and people drink it down like the latest gospel.

The bs is really BS here lately.

[jefferson_dem]

11. Sure. Go for it. -

By the way, does this "blurb" below make you proud?

"Along the same lines, ABC reported that Clinton aides gave the network various examples, of Obama's controversial stands. The aides cited Obama's past assertion that he would support ending mandatory minimum sentences for federal crimes, pointing to a 2004 statement at an NAACP-sponsored debate: "Mandatory minimums take too much discretion away from judges.""

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/01/04/new-hampshire-will-be-key_n_79873.html

[Skip Intro]

13. Please, your OP is a blog about a blog without substantiation.

Much like your candidate.

[jefferson_dem]

15. I'm just sitting here thinking Hillary alone provides enough substance and authenticity

for all the Dems.

If she could only work out her little "slogan problem"...

[Skip Intro]

18. Can you back up the title of your op,"Clinton: Obama's Too Liberal" with a quote from Clinton...

saying what you say she said?

[tammywammy]

19. The title of the OP

Is the title of the article at the blog. :shrug:

[Skip Intro]

21. Which is substantiated by a quote from Clinton saying....?

[tammywammy]

23. You're right, she specifically isn't quoted saying that

In this article, here's what ABC says

"Aiming at Obama's signature rhetoric, Clinton said what America needs is someone who can "actually deliver change" not "false hopes."

While the senator was vague, her campaign pointed out to ABC News examples of Obama's liberal positions. In 2004, Obama said he would vote to abolish mandatory minimum sentences for federal crimes. "Mandatory minimums take too much discretion away from judges," Obama said in an NAACP debate.

The Clinton campaign also accused Obama of flip-flopping. They pointed to a statement Obama made in 2003 that he was "a proponent of a single-payer healthcare program." Obama is not calling for a single-payer plan now. "

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/story?id=4088317&page=1

Her campaign is pointing out Obama's liberal positions and I'd assume this would be with her permission.

[CoffeeCat]

31. We don't know what the real story is yet...

...but I think we can all agree--even you--that Hillary is not going
to come out and announce her exact strategy against her opponents in
a press conference.

Come on.

Like that EVER happens. With any candidate.

We can understand their strategy by listening to their speeches and their
surrogates.

If Hillary does engage in this behavior--and paints Obama as a liberal, we'll
know it's true.

However, let's not be absurd and demand quotes from her, "Yes! I will be
sauntering around the New England countryside for the next four days--and
I will be proclaiming the Obama is a liberal in an attempt to position myself
as the more reasonable choice, therefore obliterating his momentum and
hopefully giving me a few upward ticks in the polls."

Yeah. Let's all wait around for that one.

[jefferson_dem]

20. The report is that her campaign is circulating talking points and press releases.

In your view, therefore, Hillary is only responsible for what her campaign produces if she is on record with a quote. That's way weak.

[Skip Intro]

22. Yeah, asking for something that says, "Clinton:xxx" to be backed up by Clinton actually saying "xxx"

is weak.


ooookaaay.

:eyes:

[jefferson_dem]

24. So if the title I pasted in said "Clinton Camp" instead of "Clinton" you would have been cool?

That's one flimsy straw man there.

[snowbear]

17. Are you honestly insinuating that Matthew Yglesias is "just a blogger" ??

You seriously believe that Skip Intro?

[snowbear]

12. Some blogger?

Matthew Yglesias is an Associate Editor of The Atlantic Monthly. His first book, with the working title Heads in the Sand: Iraq and the Strange Death of Liberal Internationalism, scheduled to be published next spring by John Wiley and co., deals with the Democratic Party's struggle to find a post-9/11 foreign policy, focusing primarily on the rise and (hopefully) fall of the liberal hawk movement.

Previously, he was a staff writer at The American Prospect and an Associate Editor at TPM Media, where he contributed to the group blogs Tapped and TPMCafe. His main blog, now at The Atlantic, has existed in various forms since the dark ages of the blogosphere in January 2002.

His writing has appeared in The Guardian, Slate, The New Republic, The Washington Monthly and he is a regular on BloggingHeads.tv and makes the occasional radio or television appearance.

Desperately out of touch with the American mainstream, Yglesias was born and raised in Manhattan and studied philosophy at Harvard where he was editor in chief of The Harvard Independent, a campus alternative weekly.

The Atlantic Monthly (also known as The Atlantic) is a liberal American magazine founded in Boston in 1857. Originally created as a literary and cultural commentary magazine, its current format is of a general editorial magazine which claims that its content focus on "foreign affairs, politics, and the economy cultural trends" is primarily aimed at a target audience of "thought leaders"<1><2>.

[razors edge]

7. Clinton Jumps the Shark. n/t

[lvx35]

8. The source: "Hillary's aids say..." don't attribute to Clinton what she didn't say. nt

[Harper_is_Bush]

9. Meh. A blog providing it's opinion on another blog. Echo chamber emptiness in it's purest form

[Forkboy]

14. Pretty much...

Good recap.

[sandnsea]

28. ABC says campaign gave "examples of Obama's liberal positions"

Including his support of single payer health care if it weren't so difficult to implement. Hillary says that's a negative. Along with his opposition to mandatory minimums and other liberal issues. That's your girl.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/story?id=4088317&page=1

[Azathoth]

10. The Clinton camp is unraveling

:rofl:

[paulk]

16. this is crap

someone said that someone said...

I'll believe it when I see it.

until then it's the usual "I'm a victim" garbage that has become daily fare from the Obama camp.

[calteacherguy]

25. But...but...but....I thought he didn't have experience?!

:rofl:

[CoffeeCat]

26. Sounds like a bad, cheap novel...

It was a dark and stormy night. The room was filled with a cacophony of
low-pitched marketing voices.

An ominous funnel cloud of sinister PR ploys--swirled above the boardroom table.

"Shall we spread the word that Obama hates puppies?" said Hillary's Communications Director. "These New
Englanders...you know how they love their puppies. They'll be loathing him before lunch."

"No!" exclaimed Hillary. "No rumors. We must resort to name calling! We must select a word
that conjures disgust as well as fear. WE MUST HIT FROM ALL SIDES, COMRADES!"

"How about 'Sir Hopealot'?" suggested one staffer.

"Major Doldrums?" asked Bill.

"Silence!" demanded Hillary. "I need ONE word! A word we can say repeatedly and print on
napkins and matchboxes and those little glow-stick thingees!"

"I've got it," said a timid public-relations intern from New Hampshire Community College. "How
about 'liberal'?"

"Brilliant!" shouted Hillary. "I'll have the entire Eastern seaboard convinced that Obama
will nominate the President of PETA as his Secretary of Defense!"

In a fury of marketing mayhem, Hillary ordered her staff to stay on task, "I want Ghandi on
the record...stating that Obama wants too much peace! And I need someone to pay Jane Fonda
to show up at all of this rallies!"

Like turbid concrete drying in hell, the plan was set. Barack Obama would be attacked today,
with the word "liberal" leading the charge.

THE END

[Joe the Revelator]

29. LOL

I seriously love you.

[CoffeeCat]

32. Oh, you are too cute...

If I ever write a cheap novel, I'll send you an autographed copy.

;)

[Renew Deal]

27. Hillary just lost Democrats AND Liberals in Iowa

How is this a smart move?

[snowbear]

30. HRC = Lieberman

I'm sorry.. but she sounds JUST LIKE LOW-BLOW-JOE.



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[Bullet1987]

33. I thought Hillary was SUPPOSED to be Progressive?

HAHAHAHAHA!!!

Now Obama is in the wrong because of his Progressive state record? Which would actually also support the idea that he has experience? Geez, this will SURELY get Dems to vote for her now :sarcasm: . I bet if you combined Obama's State record with his Congressional one...he'd have MORE cumulative experience than she does...lol.

[Voltaire99]

36. Ha -- that sad right wing loser!

Your coronation hitting some snags, dearie?

[eridani]

38. He's too conservative, actually

At least if you support Kucinich with Edwards as a second choice.

[Skidmore]

39. Well, dayum, Hillary. I'm feeling more confident than ever of my choice.

If I want to hear RW like talking points, I'll listen to Fux or seriously consider one of the Republic candidates. I don't like or need this crap from a Democrat.