Proud2BAmurkin
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Mon Jan-07-08 04:13 PM
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Cafferty says Clinton's ire in "change" exchange means "It's time to go home and bake cookies" |
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Obamistas who said the comments meant Clinton was "finished" can write to Cafferty and weigh in on his question of whether Clinton's angry comments mean it's time to go home and bake cookies.
Me, I watched them again just now when Cafferty showed them and still not sure where the "Dean scream moment" was. Clue me.
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Mon Jan-07-08 04:14 PM
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Mon Jan-07-08 04:15 PM
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How creative we're getting.
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Mon Jan-07-08 04:16 PM
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3. Do you really place any importance in what Cafferty says? |
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Mon Jan-07-08 04:17 PM
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4. The Debate "Dean scream" attempt |
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didn't work
now they are using the emotional moment as their new attempt at a "Dean scream".
The media has decided they wish to bury Clinton.
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Mon Jan-07-08 04:19 PM
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5. Oh yes, but that was decided right from the start, |
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now they just want to bury her deeper.
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Mon Jan-07-08 04:20 PM
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6. You know, all of these smears, put-downs, and mud-slinging |
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aimed at Clinton is going to help her in the long-run. This will be the turning point for her. I do not support Clinton, but the more she is pounded and belittled by the squealing media and the gleeful Obamites and Edwardians, the better she looks to the average woman and partner and daughter and mother and son and brother and father and husband out there that is going to finally say "Enough!" Her enemies are handing her the nomination...
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Mon Jan-07-08 04:22 PM
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7. I wish I believed that, |
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but I think they're going to succeed in pounding the spirit out of her. I don't know, maybe I've just spent too much time on DU today, but it just seems to get worse and worse.
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Mon Jan-07-08 05:03 PM
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8. I completely understand your feelings. I have been defending Clinton |
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for the past two or three days and you cannot get any rationality from some of these folks. I have to say over and over that she is not my candidate, because if you just defend her without that caveat, you get flamed (I'm sure you know this). But fair is fair and I am getting sick of this self-destructive demolition! If these attacks are making ME see Clinton in a kinder light, what effect are they having on undecideds! That is why I think that these tactics are backfiring. Senator Clinton is going to come out of this stronger and in a more solid position. You wait and see.
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Mon Jan-07-08 05:24 PM
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9. I agree with you that it is getting meaner and meaner |
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Edited on Mon Jan-07-08 05:25 PM by karynnj
I don't think it is limited to Clinton. The media was meaner to Gore and to Kerry, both of whom did less that could be used aganist them. In fact, they were actually pretty easy on her in 2005 and 2006 and even the first half of 2007. How many times was see and her campaign called "flawless"? Nothing seemed to stick. There were articles of how she started in the Senate trying to act as any freshman, working well with people on both sides of the aisle. In a way, the overly positive coverage set her up.
As the Clintons claimed that only they could fight the media and the HRC was the toughest person there, they were getting better treatment than almost anyone else. The coverage in the last few days is relating what can be seen in what she says and has done. It is not untrue, though it likely is unkind. The problem is that she and BC are feeding it. It has to be incredibly tough to be a politician - especially at that level. You can do everything that you thought and were told would work, then fail - and when you fail it is in public and your response has to be cheerful and upbeat with the view that you can still win. There's no time for really mentally dealing with it. In HRC's case, when was her last failure? Not only that, it apparently came as a surprise. One day you are a prohibitive favorite up 20 points in National polls, then you are down.
Last year, I remember watching Gephardt's speech where he pulled out. In his case, it was not just the end of a Presidential race, but the end of his political career. He had tears as well - and it seemed right. You work so hard, believe you have a shot and it ends. I remember Kerry's speech, where his voice wavered as he spoke of people who needed help - there it had to be a roller coaster 24 hours, from when the exit polls looked great until he conceded.
This week may signal the beginning of the end of her dream to be the first woman President and the chance to remake the Clinton legacy. In the end, it may have hurt the legacy - replacing a better time for America enhanced by being airbrushed by the passage of time. It could be the beginning of the end of the Clintons' dominance of the party.
Or, it could be a bump in teh road and the Clintons will be back.
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