Diebold, Rigged Voting Machines, Polls, Exit polls,...

[dugggy]

Obama was polling 5 to 12 points higher than Hillary. Right upto Election day.
Women were polling even steven.

Then the actual election results came out. Hillary won by 3% instead of losing
by 5 to 12%. That means polls were off by 8 to 15%. Polls were even more wrong
on polling women.

Did Hillary rig Diabold machines? Was there vote suppression? Shortage of ballots
in precincts favoring Obama? Intimidation of voters?

NONE OF THE ABOVE IMHO!!!

I think the pollsters have disgraced themselves with this fiasco, is the way I see it.

[dugggy]

1. I really don't want to see any whinning when

actual election results don't match polls in the future.

[golddigger]

2. I wish people would read Skinners post...

on this subject before posting.

[dugggy]

3. Can you provide a link to Skinner's post? TY n/t

[golddigger]

4. Go to front page and click on...

Most viewed journals and Skinners name.

[ThePhilosopher04]

5. One must trust...

exits polls for Skinner's post to have any meaning. I don't trust them, therefore his post means nothing to me.

[TreasonousBastard]

6. So, anything you DO trust?

[lumberjack_jeff]

13. Trust but verify. n/t

[Imagevision]

15. I agree, Trust but verify, I can't believe this is still going on, there must be a reason our

elected officials decided not to eliminate this problem years ago, it utterly rediculous but it obviously serves some purpose.

[Auntie Bush]

20. So are you suggesting we challenge all elections just for you and your suspicions?

That sounds pretty expensive! Ask yourself...would you challenge the election if your candidate won. :shrug: I doubt it!

[lumberjack_jeff]

21. No, just the suspicious elections.

By what margin should vote tabulators be programmed to steal elections that will assure that no reasonable likelihood exists of a recount challenge? 2%? 5%? 20%?

The question I ask myself is do I trust the black box and the person who programmed it and the answer is, until I have independent and public verification of its accuracy, no.

We counted votes by hand for a long time. I doubt that a spot audit would break the bank.

[Auntie Bush]

22. Well, I'm for hand ballots also and we... thank goodness... still have them in our state.

I just think it's plain old sour grapes in this case. There were just that many undecided and the decided Hillary. Simple!

Now if the same were true in the national election and a Rethug won again after losing to Dems in the poll...I'd agree with you. However, I doubt it would happen between two Dems.

[lumberjack_jeff]

23. So sour grapes is only okay if it's a dem running against a repub?

There's exactly the same kind of reason to treat this election as suspect as there was to treat Ohio 2004 as suspect.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=488942&mesg_id=488942

Hillary won New Hampshire, but only the precincts which were counted by Diebold. She lost in those which were hand counted.

I think elections are all important.

[Stewie]

10. So every media outlet rigged their exit polls...

...to match the results of an election conducted using randomized ballots and two different counting methods?

I love how every fact that disproves a conspiracy gets swallowed up by the conspiracy claimant and becomes part of the conspiracy itself, like how a firestorm begins feeding off itself.

[lumberjack_jeff]

16. There's only one exit polling organization - Mitofsky. n/t

[TreasonousBastard]

7. I knew I should have bought tinfoil futures.

[Double T]

8. Polls are meaningless and have NOTHING to do with REAL VOTERS.

Ignore THEM!!

[dugggy]

9. EXACTLY!!! But how many Til Foil Hat posts have you seen on DU?

A hundred thousand or there abouts. To blame every loss on
electronic machines is just a lame excuse to delude yourself
into believing your candidate actually won but was done in
by the black boxes. Frankly I am sick of that whinning.

[Stewie]

11. Especially when the "black box" that "stole" the election has the paper trial

you claim will "prove" the "theft." Every precinct in New Hampshire used a paper ballot, so why aren't the nuts calling for a manual recount?

[lumberjack_jeff]

12. Am I in some kind of parallel universe?

Saying that the "Get over it Sore Loserman!" posts are out of place here, strains the definition of understatement.

Democratic Underground (DU) was founded on Inauguration Day, January 20, 2001, to protest the illegitimate presidency of George W. Bush

I guess the whole "illegitimate" thing is no longer a problem.

[dugggy]

18. Unless you have forgotten, they used punched cards in Florida

where the "hanging chads" became world famous.
My point is about electronic voting machines,,,much
better than punched cards, especiaqlly if backed up by
paper printout.

[Imagevision]

14. NONE OF THE ABOVE, I agree but also agree we must have verifiable elections from the get-go...

[dugggy]

19. Yes, modern electronics backed by a paper printout

is the best method for counting votes.

[Flabbergasted]

17. The Iowa polls were somewhere around 8% off also