KennedyGuy
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Wed Jan-09-08 10:16 PM
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This place has really become an ink blot test.. |
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We have two incidents:
Incident One-Hillary tears up... Hillary supporters claim: it was genuine emotion, sincere, and a natural thing..perfectly understandable under the circumstances and to read anything else into it is absurd. Obama supporters claim it was fake..a ploy..a pathetic attempt to grab the sympathy vote
Incident Two- Obama says Hillary is "likeable enough" Hillary supporters claim this was dissmissive, rude, condescending, and petty Obama supporters claim it was just a meaningless comment, didn't mean anything at all and to read anything else into it is absurd.
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Joe the Revelator
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Wed Jan-09-08 10:17 PM
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1. First post of yours I've ever rec'd |
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Edited on Wed Jan-09-08 10:18 PM by Wolsh
I wish both sides could see how hypocritical they can be
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KennedyGuy
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Wed Jan-09-08 10:19 PM
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4. well now I'm getting misty eyed... |
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Wed Jan-09-08 10:38 PM
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Wed Jan-09-08 10:20 PM
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do you keep track of every post you rec or is there some hidden tool in DU to tell you that (and also the total number of posts you've made cause I'm wondering how the other poster knew he had 12000+ posts?)
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Joe the Revelator
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Wed Jan-09-08 10:21 PM
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9. It was said purely to accent a point. |
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Wed Jan-09-08 10:21 PM
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Wed Jan-09-08 10:22 PM
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I'd never noticed before.
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Wed Jan-09-08 10:22 PM
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14. You can view post counts in the profile. It's the middle icon next to your name |
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Edited on Wed Jan-09-08 10:22 PM by TwilightZone
on any one of your posts. (It looks like a Rolodex card.)
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Fresh_Start
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Wed Jan-09-08 10:18 PM
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2. Incident Three - "Iron my shirt" guys |
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Hillary supporters claim - she handled it well Obama supporters claim - she planted them
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Wed Jan-09-08 10:20 PM
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6. The "planted" meme was amusing, especially after the radio station took "credit". |
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Wed Jan-09-08 10:21 PM
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12. yea, they thought she planted them to illustrate the sexism |
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Edited on Wed Jan-09-08 10:21 PM by NYCALIZ
problem. Conspiracy theorist abound
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Wed Jan-09-08 10:23 PM
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planting them would have been brilliant, if questionable. :)
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Thu Jan-10-08 12:51 AM
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29. Did you see that "Iron my shirt" guy? |
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It would take 2 weeks to iron that shirt.
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Wed Jan-09-08 10:18 PM
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3. It does seem that the new rule is opinion = fact. |
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The middle ground and the gray areas appear to be extinct!
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Wed Jan-09-08 10:23 PM
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16. Exactly. What ever happened to that early email abbreviation |
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deparately needed on the DU these days - IMHO. It should be attached to almost every post these last days and, even if you say "of course, it's implied, this is obviously my opinion", saying it makes some level of difference to the discourse. IMHO.
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Wed Jan-09-08 10:27 PM
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It's kind of amazing how many obvious opinions are posted and then defended as if they are facts.
A good recent example is all of the discussion about racism and sexism. Those are very personal issues, and outside of some generally-accepted norms, it's largely up to the individual to decide if he or she sees a situation or circumstance as sexist or racist.
And, yet, people will post an opinion on a situation and declare that it's a fact that cannot be disputed.
Yeah, right!
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Wed Jan-09-08 10:20 PM
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7. And I (an Edwards supporter) says |
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Incident one: Real enough. The strain, the lack of sleep, and the circumstances provoked an emotional response. Fair enough.
Incident two: An off-the-cuff comment not intended to offend.
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KennedyGuy
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Wed Jan-09-08 10:22 PM
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13. I'm sorry, didn't mean to leave Edwards folks out |
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but I have seen the biggest divide among the Hill/Obama folks
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Mythsaje
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Wed Jan-09-08 10:23 PM
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17. Sure...it's gotten downright nasty. |
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It's gone into nit-picking territory. WAY into nit-picking territory. Every single thing is being analyzed to death to no purpose.
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Wed Jan-09-08 10:35 PM
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22. sadly, it speaks poorly of the populace as a whole, and |
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even the people who frequent this board.
shallow "American Idol" criteria. They are all trying to outdo that British guy - the lead judge on that show - for doing hatchet jobs.
It has nothing whatsoever to do with any sane selection process for choosing the leader of the free world.
even the rantings in the press over whether to "go negative" are all about the contest, as if it were a prize fight or horse race, and not about the job and their fitness for it. It is who has the best strategy - did so-and-so play the booger-on-the-nose card too early, or not early enough?
It's as if it really didn't have any bearing on the probability of this country's government surviving.
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Wed Jan-09-08 10:21 PM
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8. Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it whether it exists or not, diagnosing it |
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incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedy.
Ernest Benn
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Wed Jan-09-08 10:21 PM
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10. One thing you will never hear... |
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"I don't know."
I have no idea whether misting up was calculated.
I do know that the media turned what was nothing into a Jimmy Swaggart incident of sobbing hysteria and Obama supporters latched onto it.
I have no idea what Obama meant by that remark.
I do know it's barely mentioned in the MSM and mostly is a side issue that no one really gives a fuck about except to debate for points.
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Wed Jan-09-08 10:26 PM
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19. All messy and stained, isn't it? nt |
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Wed Jan-09-08 10:32 PM
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21. Somebody could write there Psychology Doctoral dissertation on this place |
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and have plenty of material for analysis.
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Wed Jan-09-08 10:36 PM
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23. but they would need to learn grammar |
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their grade might be hurt
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Wed Jan-09-08 10:41 PM
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Wed Jan-09-08 10:41 PM
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26. That sums it up exactly.... 10/10 |
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and there's not one shred of exit poll data that I've seen to support they notion that either helped/harmed the race.
It's all just speculation.
Stupid, at that.
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Wed Jan-09-08 10:43 PM
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Thu Jan-10-08 12:53 AM
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30. It's become a cesspool- filled to capacity with shit |
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Facts don't even matter anymore- they just make shit up.
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Thu Jan-10-08 12:55 AM
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31. I think I'll use that as my sig line! |
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Thu Jan-10-08 01:07 AM
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32. God forbid we or the MSM actually discuss the serious |
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issues facing the planet and serious discussions about the pro's and con's of the various platforms.
Must look harder- must be here somewhere- mustn't it?
Let's talk about who we want to go to a barb-b-q with.
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Thu Jan-10-08 01:13 AM
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33. Actually, I think Obama's "likeable enough" insult was a glimpse into his misogyny... |
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Obama was inflamed that a woman should dare question Him. His remark was dismissive and insulting and shows his contempt for not just Hillary but all women who don't toe the line. I thought he was ill~qualified before, now I actively dislike him and believe him to be angry.
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Thu Jan-10-08 03:15 PM
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34. I didn't like that episode but I have to disagree. |
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I perceived (another way of saying IMO) the remark to be rude and dismissive and didn't like it, but..to claim it is misogyny is indefensible. We don't have a glimpse into the motives behind the behavior. Maybe he didn't want to affirm she was likable, maybe he wa s distracted, maybe he was annoyed by the whole likability issue, maybe he doesn't like her and was trying to get that across. There are too many interpretations of what he meant by it.
That being said, I still didn't like the behavior. It turned me off.
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Thu Jan-10-08 03:15 PM
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35. It always has been... but primary wars make it much more obviously so. (nt) |
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