OFFICIAL SENATOR BARACK OBAMA SUBSTANCE THREAD

[goku2008]

This is the official thread to showcase Senator Barack Obama's SUBSTANCE ON ISSUES, SO NO ONE CAN SAY


THEY DON'T KNOW WHERE HE STANDS OR HE IS AN EMPTY SUIT


this is where he stands on issues and where he wants to take the country

civil rights:
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/pdf/HowardConvocationFactSheet.pdf

economy:
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/economy/ObamaPolicy_Economy.pdf

education:
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/pdf/PreK-12EducationFactSheet.pdf
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/pdf/CollegeAffordabilityFactSheet.pdf


energy and environment
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/pdf/EnergyFactSheet.pdf

ethics:
http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/TakingBackOurGovernmentBackFinalFactSheet.pdf


fiscal:
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/fiscal/ObamaPolicy_Fiscal.pdf

foreign policy:
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/foreignpolicy/ObamaPolicy_Foreign_Policy.pdf

healthcare:
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/pdf/HealthCareFullPlan.pdf

homeland security:
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/pdf/HomelandSecurityFactSheet.pdf

immigration:
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/pdf/ImmigrationFactSheet.pdf

iraq:
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/pdf/IraqFactSheet.pdf

poverty:
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/pdf/PovertyFactSheet.pdf

rural:
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/pdf/RuralPlanFactSheet.pdf

national service:
http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/NationalServicePlanFactSheet.pdf

seniors and social security:
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/socialsecurity/

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

1. You do realize that all candidates have position papers on everything, right?

George W. Bush did.

So what?

[Occam Bandage]

9. So then whence the argument he lacks substance?

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

13. I'm sure he's a very substantial person.

But his quasi-religious all things to all people campaign of mass hypnosis over persuasion is designed to hide whatever substance he may have.

He runs as a vague cypher and then his supporters get frustrated that people see him as a vague cypher.

I like him. I hope he will be President if he wins the nomination. And I respect him.

But I'm good at reading between the lines, so I know he's not the vapid faith-healer he pretends to be.

But since his campaign and message are as phony and vapid as a faith-healer revival, I can see where some people get the impression there is no there there.

[Windy]

40. And you need to take the time to read all of them, not just HRC's

I have...
I'm sure you'll say that you have too, but in light of what you post, I find that suspect.

[jgraz]

2. This should be a short thread.

:P

[goku2008]

3. no

you ppl say he doesn't stand for anything or an empty suit, we'll these are his positions, criticize him but don't say you don't know where he stands

[DivorcingNeo]

6. Not as short as your vocabulary.

:eyes:

[jgraz]

7. OK, you need to get your Insult School tuition refunded

That was seriously lame, dude. Welcome to DU. :hi:

[DivorcingNeo]

31. Sorry "dude"

I don't comprehend surfer speak. How about some of that good old standard english?

Your attempts at a counter-insult failed miserably.

Oh and thank you.

Edit: Someone said you were joking...far be it me to not be gracious and apologize. My apologies, dear surfer sir. Which is more than I can say for Hillary Clinton. Has she apologized for voting for the War, yet?

[jgraz]

38. Ha, you're gonna have a fun time here

I think you set a record for incorrect assumptions in an under-200 poster.

And btw, Mr Fowler, it's "far be it from me". You might try monitoring your own usage rather than turning your nose up at that of others. Of course, I understand it's probably difficult to type with that stick so far up your ass.

[Renew Deal]

43. He's joking.

take my word for it.

[codeindigo]

51. hahahahaaa

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl: you are one of the nicest i've seen on this site!:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

[Occam Bandage]

10. No, see, for "vocabulary," you meant to write, "penis." Don't do this halfway.

[DivorcingNeo]

33. haha

Geez, I'm not THAT cruel!
To borrow a line from Joe Pesci:

*shrugs* "You gonna make me stop and think about what I dun here"

[jgraz]

39. Thanks, OB. Somebody's gotta coach this guy.

I don't mind being insulted, just don't bore me. :boring:

[Catherine Vincent]

23. You O supporters are snippy.

Snipping at your own. Jgraz was being silly. He's an O supporter. LOL.

[DivorcingNeo]

32. I'm snippy with everyone

I think I made that clear on one thread, no one escapes my wrath!

but sorry to that other guy. hehe

[Bright Eyes]

4. Thank you.

[bigwillq]

5. I hate pdf

:mad:

[jenmito]

8. Thanks for this thread and welcome to the DU...

:hi: but you listed so many things, I don't know what there is to add. You put a lot out there.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

11. This is great!

I appreciate ANYONE who talks about ISSUES. Now let's see if others will post the position papers of other candidates.


Here's my take on Obama's positions, with links to my candidate (Kucinich) on the same issues:

Iraq-both candidates say they will move our troops out of Iraq immediately! Kudos to both of them! Obama says that some will remain; Kucinich would withdraw all. Kucinich has already introduced his 12 point plan in the House (see http://www.kucinichonline.com/pdfs/Kucinich_12-pt_Plan.pdf). I hope Obama does the same for his plan.

Health Care-Obama wants to help reduce costs by emphasizing preventative care-kudos for that! My problem with his plan is that it leaves the for-profit insurance industry entrenched and in place. Kucinich's plan would take them out of the business entirely (see http://www.kucinichonline.com/pdfs/Kucinich_Universal_Health_Care.pdf )

These are my two big issues. Thanks for making it easy to compare the stands of your candidate and mine.

[fightindonkey]

12. That Is Not Substance. That Is Typical Political Web Site Drivel. Barack Is In Way Over His Head

[goku2008]

15. WRONG

you said you don't know where he stands or he has no substance, i post his policy plans and you still say the same, that is either hatred or racism

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

18. Attributing racism to someone for disliking your candidate is beneath contempt

[jenmito]

37. That poster thinks that the smear email circulating around about Obama's "radical Muslimism" is not

factually inaccurate but merely taken out of context to smear him. :eyes:

[Wisconsin for Hill]

28. exactly... talking points, all

The Obama folks are realizing what the rest of us know: Iowa picks corn, New Hampshire picks presidents.

[readmoreoften]

14. Yup. Reproductive freedom didn't make the list. LGBT rights are buried, don't qualify as civil right

LGBT peoples' rights to not be fired or evicted, beaten and murdered, or lose their assets those aren't civil rights. Or issues. No, those explanations are under "people". African-Americans/Asian-Americans are both people and ISSUES (civil rights is a domain for racial discrimination only.) Faith is an issue AND people of faith are under people too.

Gay people? We're just 'people'. (but he'll help us out on the DL...)

Apparently Choice isn't an ISSUE either. It's not under FAMILY, but "promoting responsible fatherhood" is. Thanks but my dad was a responsible father without presidential help. You want a nation of better fathers? How about starting with workers rights, good benefits, and a 35 hour work week?

[jlake]

16. First of all, enough with the PDFs...EEEEEEK

Second, these types of policy papers are available on EVERY candidate...... and they are not specific etc etc etc.
Obama is purposefully vauge, so he can be all things to all people .... and I do not like that.

[goku2008]

17. no

he lays out the problem and what he would do, the problem is you don't even care, obama also passed the most sweeping ethics reform since water gate, harry reid defended obama on that today on cnn, in 2006 senate canidates asked obama to campain for them not hillary or edwards

[jlake]

19. Wrongo. I have read Obama's entire website....there is nothing of substance there.

When was the last time he gave a major policy speech.....hmm????
And in 2006 I saw Bill and Hillary campaigning for Claire McCaskill in St. Louis.....in fact, I shook their hands......and they of course campaigned for senate and house seats elsewhere too........

[goku2008]

20. obama

he campained for more, and helped jim web win va, and claire win also, obama is the mid west canidate

last policy speech was on national service december 5th


http://www.barackobama.com/issues/service/

excerpt from speech:


http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post_group/ObamaHQ/CRHJ

[bigwillq]

21. Spell check

is your friend.

[jlake]

22. You said only Obama was asked to campaign.....

And the speech is Soaring rhetoric with NO SPECIFICS.

[goku2008]

24. LOOK

IT IS A LOST CAUSE TO WIN YOU OVER YOU ARE BLIND TO YOUR CANIDATE, ANYONE THAT SUPPORTS HILLARY AFTER SHE SIDED WITH BUSH ON THE WAR NOT ONCE BUT TWICE,AND THE SECOND TIME SHE WAS RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT, DOESN'T KNOW REAL SPECIFICS, AND IS A PRO WAR REPUKE LITE DEMOCRAT, REM. HIL HATES LIBERALS

[jlake]

25. I am only supporting Hillary because Obama is the only other option.

I admire Hillary, but Biden was my first choice.
Since he has been in the senate, Obama's record on the war is IDENTICAL to Hillary's.
Obama is dishonest. Hillary may not be perfect, but I know where she stands. Obama is a con artist.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

26. Jesus fucking Christ...get psychiatric help or something.

Typical Obama troll arc... from tedious talking points to all-caps drunken venom in twenty posts.

[goku2008]

29. sry

sry for caps, obama is not a con artist, their records are the same in the senate, you said it, so by saying that you don't know where he stands are you saying you don't know where she stands either,i think bill gave you the what does is mean quote ,i gave his policy postions you denounced them, you really hate him, obama got my cousin in ill. healthcare, sometimes i cry and wish he would just leave and run for gov. because so many ppl around the u.s.a hate this fine man makes me cry,

[jlake]

34. I don't know where he stands because he is supposedly the anti-war candidate but

votes the same as the "war monger" candidate. He is supposedly friendly to GLBT, but employees a Homophobic preacher to headline an event, he is supposedly a great progressive, but.....

[jackson_dem]

30. jlake is on target

Obama makes Bush look like a policy wonk.

[IndyOp]

27. Please warn people when you are posting links to PDF files...

They take a long time to download...

:thumbsdown:

[annie1]

35. and Hope. Change. Believe. Fired up. Yes We Can.

[jlake]

36. Lol. GOBAMA!!

[avaistheone1]

41. For starters Obama's energy policy SUCKS!!!!!!!!!

It is total give away to the corn farmers, the coal and nuclear industry. May I add that it payback to his lobbyist pals who have been filling his campaign war chest.

[AmBlue]

42. And NOT the family farm corn farmers, but

...the giant agribusiness corn farmers, that are putting the family farms out of business.

[avaistheone1]

44. and creating food shortages in poor countries who were depending on that corn for food which will

now be turned into E85.

[Egnever]

46. you guys just making this shit up as you go along?

�� Develop the Next Generation of Biofuels: Barack Obama will work to ensure that advanced
biofuels, including cellulosic ethanol, are developed and incorporated into our national supply
as soon as possible. Corn ethanol is the most successful alternative fuel commercially available
in the U.S. today, and we should fight the efforts of big oil and big agri-business to undermine
this emerging industry. But it represents only a drop in the bucket of our energy demands and
making ethanol from corn has some significant limitations. Today we produce about 5 billion
gallons of corn-based ethanol per year while we use about 140 billion gallons of gasoline.
Even if we are able to double – or even triple – production of ethanol from corn this will still
offset only about 10 percent of our gasoline demand. There are also real concerns about
bringing set aside lands into corn production as well as concerns about an increase in the use of
pesticides, water use and upward pressure on the cost of food for people and livestock alike.
These constraints reveal the scope and scale of our energy and environmental challenges.
Obama will invest federal resources, including tax incentives, cash prizes and government
contracts into developing the most promising technologies with the goal of getting the first two
billion gallons of cellulosic ethanol into the system by 2013. Obama will also work to improve
the national supply of advanced biodiesel. From here the Clean Technologies Deployment
Venture Fund will speed the deployment of multiple facilities.

[Scriptor Ignotus]

50. it's either them or the oil industry

take your pick. energy needs to be burned somehow and alternative fuels can't handle it all quite yet. it's not great, but it's better than what we have now.

[mckeown1128]

45. kick and rec...as all should do...

[terisan]

47. Obama's payroll tax increase plan is a plan to tax middle class to cover the

money owed to the Social Security Trust Fund by the government which used social security income to the fund to pay for tax cuts for the rich.

Obama has falsely stated that social security is in a crisis due to too many so called "baby boomers" retiring. (This is a Republican false claim also). His "fix" is to unfairly raise the tax on wage earners in the middle and upper middle class while giving them no corresponding benefit increase. this increased tax will hit middle class wage earners in the high-cost of living states and mega cities like NY, San Francisco and LA. It lets off the hook the wealthy who get to keep their incredible tax cuts from the Bush and Regan years.

It is essentially a Republican fix. Tax increases for middle class wage earners, tax forgiveness for Wall Street millionaires.

Obam is receiving incredibly high contributions from Wall Street firms like Goldman Sachs,

This is a shameful proposal especially since Greenspan and Reagan got the social security tax cap increased in the 1980 to fund the same phoney shortfall.

[Barack_America]

48. kick..n/t

[codeindigo]

49. this is fine and dandy~~~

but i have yet to hear really articulate them. i want know~ he knows~~ i have heard edwards speak very clearly on issues~~ same with hillary. but not obama.:shrug: