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cindyw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 12:41 PM
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Which candidate best represents our Democratic Party Ideals, Obama, Clinton or Edwards?
Edited on Sun Jan-13-08 12:50 PM by cindyw
The Primary is our only chance to decide which candidate best fits our Democratic ideals. As soon as our candidate is chosen, then conversation will switch in the media to how our candidate is not conservative enough.

Hillary seems to be making the argument to that Obama is not liberal enough and that it doesn't matter that she is not either. I think that we have to have the discussion about what our candidate will do and how that fits with what we want representing us. I would hate for us to turn on Obama because Clinton has convinced us that he is not liberal enough just to find out in the general that Clinton does not represent Democratic values.

Added: As for Kuncinich supports I specifically did not put him here because I want to know what people think among these 3. For example, I think that there are people who would say Kucinich, but will not be supporting him in their primary. I completely understand if you wan to say Kucinich as a response, I just want you to know why he is not in my question.
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GreenArrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 12:43 PM
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1. Kucinich
Of the other three, it's about equal.
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cindyw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 12:46 PM
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9. Well you know who he thinks would best represent the party besides himself
P.S. I'm not insulting Kucinich, so don't take this as that.:)
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mth44sc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 12:44 PM
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2. Edwards
hands down!
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DemDogs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 01:12 PM
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24. This is no contest at all: Edwards
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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 12:44 PM
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3. The Dem Party is a "big tent" and there are many sets of "ideals"
I prefer to think of it in terms of who will be most effective in terms of advancing Democratic policy goals.

I think Obama is most likely to be most effective. Next, Clinton - but I am wary that she will veer to the center/right if she thinks it will solidify her hold on power.
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iamjoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 12:45 PM
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4. What Are Our Ideals
What are our party ideals?

Helping the working person? In that case, John Edwards.
Emphasizing diplomacy over war? I'd give that one to Barack Obama.
Supporting women's issues including reproductive freedom? Well then, Hillary Clinton.

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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 12:45 PM
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5. Obama or Edwards....
Hillary is representing a party's ideals, just not the Democratic party's.
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fenriswolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 12:45 PM
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6. kucinich
and if we take all the comments of the "top" three candidates comments and rehtoric at face value then its edwards.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 12:45 PM
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7. Obama and Edwards.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 12:46 PM
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8. Party ideals? I don't know. My ideals? Edwards
Edited on Sun Jan-13-08 12:47 PM by higher class
I certainly DON'T share ideals with the DLC.
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cindyw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 12:52 PM
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12. That is why I said, "our". I personally am not a DLC fan, but I think
Edited on Sun Jan-13-08 12:56 PM by cindyw
someone could be and that would change who they think best represents them. I hope that those people who explain their choice so we can better understand.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 01:17 PM
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27. I believe there is an agenda being carried out. It involves the
corporations.

I have said it so many times - the barons and industrialists want to own the earth resources. I believe they feel they are entitled to it - AND they want to control us so that we won't impede their progress. The best way to do that is keep us poor and struggling with no time to get educated about what is going on and why. They want to know all about us so that they know exactly who will do their bidding and who the problem people are. They must have the ultimate in security so that those who will profit are not endangered. They have much of it figured out - it involves having their people everywhere and working together - Pentagon, military, reverends, judges, lawyers, elected officials at civic, state, and federal levels (we had excellent proof of this), editors journalists columnists planted writers and newspeople, foundations (AIPAC, Heritage, etc,), think tanks, communication control, destruction of people organizations such as unions, experts who figure out how corporations can avoid U.S. laws and obligations, experts who figure out how to privatize our taxes for their use and dispensation.

My take - Clinton will forward this. Obama is still an unknown to me. Edwards gets it and says it so it is undoubtedly obvious why he is maligned by Republicans and some Democrats. If he succeeds, we will have a better place. Who knows. Electing representatives is becoming nearly impossible between theft and lies - deception on all fronts. Religious people say you have to have faith. It's the same for politics in this crummy status our country is in.

(In the meantime, there are still people delivering a Rovian trick - to demean a 'me' generation, when the 'me' are the barons and no one wants to admit it. They are somewhat faceless. Cheney and Bush and those we talk about endlessly are the appointed faces - all doing their jobs.

Some Democrats can't be trusted as we see in their votes every day.

I personally have come a long way as I've said I can't support anyone who voted for this so-called war (which isn't a war - it's only a planned campaign to advance the agenda - and those elected officials know it). That is why I held out for Al Gore.
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Desertrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 12:46 PM
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10. Dennis Kucinich
Don't see much unfortunately in the others.

BTW, how come Dennis always gets excluded?
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 12:49 PM
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11. Edwards or Un-committed. nt
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 12:52 PM
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13. Kucinich
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ursi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 12:54 PM
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14. I say Edwards but it also depends upon which decade of the Dem Party we are talking about
Edited on Sun Jan-13-08 12:54 PM by ursi
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cindyw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 12:56 PM
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16. So what decade does Edwards represent?
Edited on Sun Jan-13-08 01:03 PM by cindyw
If not the last 10 years, can you elaborate how you define the last decade.

Added: I don not think he represents the DLC values currently
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peacebird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 12:54 PM
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15. Edwards.
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 12:56 PM
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17. Edwards. nt
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DaLittle Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 12:58 PM
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20. It IS Certainly Edwards... The Rest Are Rhetorical Copycats w/o substance.
Edwards has Substance and Authenticity... and can be trusted to do what he says.
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balantz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 12:58 PM
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18. You mean thr REAL Democratic Party? The one for the people, not the corporate elite?
Edwards.

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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 12:58 PM
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19. Obama OR Edwards (nt)
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 01:00 PM
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21. Edwards nt
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 01:02 PM
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22. Obama/Edwards!!
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 01:10 PM
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23. Edwards.
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 01:12 PM
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25. John Edwards.
Talking about fighting for the middle class, ending poverty, standing up against corporate power and corporate greed.

This is what OUR party should be, and is all about.
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 01:15 PM
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26. On policy positions and proposals, they're virtually THE SAME. nt
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 01:18 PM
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28. Kucinich, but I voted for Edwards as 'top 3' closest.
The top three have some very 'moderste republican' views on healthcare, for example.
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 01:27 PM
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29. Edwards.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 01:28 PM
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30. Kucinich is the only one
Edwards gets about a C- (for rhetoric if not for his positions), Obama a D and Hillary a D-
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 01:32 PM
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31. If you are among the afflent better educated Democrat
Obama represents you

If you are Middle Class Working Class and Poor Clinton and EDwards
represent you.

Surveys on this have been discussed and reported on all 3 cable channels.
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OwnedByFerrets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 01:50 PM
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32. The candidate you have already chosen...no minds are gonna be changed.
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