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BenDavid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 12:35 AM Original message |
Do you Obama folks really believe in your hearts the Clintons |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 12:36 AM Response to Original message |
1. No. Neither does Obama, and neither does Obama's campaign. |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 12:38 AM Response to Reply #1 |
6. The question was asking if you believe they are playing the race card. |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 12:42 AM Response to Reply #6 |
10. They aren't playing the race card. However, I do believe |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 12:48 AM Response to Reply #10 |
14. Cool. Understood. n/t |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 01:11 AM Response to Reply #10 |
35. Why didn't they appear before NH? White people from Iowa were immune? |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 01:40 AM Response to Reply #35 |
49. "Why didn't they appear before NH?" |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 02:04 AM Response to Reply #35 |
59. Well, I didn't get a memo...... |
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question everything (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 01:24 AM Response to Reply #10 |
43. They appeard around NH after the media coronation of Obama (nt) |
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cloudythescribbler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 01:37 AM Response to Reply #10 |
48. good explanation of a difficult to explain issue nt |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 03:20 AM Response to Reply #10 |
62. Speaking from neither camp, what you describe IS playing the race card. |
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Bullet1987 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 08:06 AM Original message |
I agree... |
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Bullet1987 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 08:06 AM Response to Reply #62 |
73. I agree... |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 12:37 AM Response to Original message |
2. Yes. I really believe in my heart that they're playing the race card. |
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Kittycat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 12:37 AM Response to Original message |
3. I think they're doing things, whether real or percieved that is dragging race in to it. |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 12:38 AM Response to Original message |
4. No, I dont. However, I think the Clinton's will stoop to just about any level in order to win. |
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IndianaJones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 12:38 AM Response to Original message |
5. I thought minorities played the race card. nt. |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 12:39 AM Response to Original message |
7. Not racists. But willing to do whatever it takes--doesn't matter |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 12:40 AM Response to Original message |
8. "There's no one who tried to take this man down, who didn't try to take us down" |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 03:28 AM Response to Reply #8 |
63. Afraid he might lose that appelation to a REAL black president? nt |
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AX10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 12:41 AM Response to Original message |
9. kick |
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Big Blue Marble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 12:44 AM Response to Original message |
11. Yes they are playing the race card for political reasons. |
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AX10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 12:50 AM Response to Reply #11 |
17. Josh Marshall has jumped onto the bandwagon too. |
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Big Blue Marble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 01:01 AM Response to Reply #17 |
24. Calling out the Clintons on their strategies makes you uncomfortable, eh? n/t |
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AX10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 01:06 AM Response to Reply #24 |
33. It's the truth. |
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Big Blue Marble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 01:14 AM Response to Reply #33 |
36. You speak from desperation, I fear or total denial. |
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AX10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 01:16 AM Response to Reply #36 |
38. Hillary deserves credit for how well she has... |
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Big Blue Marble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 01:20 AM Response to Reply #38 |
39. Consider that there maybe a little bit of projection in your argument. |
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AX10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 01:21 AM Response to Reply #39 |
41. He has. He does it subtly. |
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cloudythescribbler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 01:41 AM Response to Reply #41 |
50. please explain Obama's "subtle" smearing, with concrete egs & if possible, links nt |
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murbley40 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 10:26 AM Response to Reply #41 |
74. Agreed. |
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Bishop Rook (252 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 12:45 AM Response to Original message |
12. I don't believe the Clintons are racist |
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Cant trust em (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 01:00 AM Response to Reply #12 |
23. Being racist and using race in politics are different |
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Bishop Rook (252 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 01:28 AM Response to Reply #23 |
47. I agree |
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Bread and Circus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 12:46 AM Response to Original message |
13. kinda, sorta, but it's more sophisticated than that (read inside if u dare) |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 12:50 AM Response to Reply #13 |
16. yeah, I am aware about the Obama campaign memo requiring you to spread this |
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Bread and Circus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 01:00 AM Response to Reply #16 |
21. I didn't get any memo. It's what they are doing, anyone with |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 01:05 AM Response to Reply #21 |
31. Somehow, however, you're spreading it - word for word...Some coincidence |
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Bread and Circus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 01:59 AM Response to Reply #31 |
58. I think the coincidence is that there's very few explanations |
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AX10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 01:07 AM Response to Reply #21 |
34. Here it is: |
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cloudythescribbler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 01:47 AM Response to Reply #16 |
53. Nice try -- but I read the memo at Huffpo, and it's just necessary background info about ... |
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cloudythescribbler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 01:44 AM Response to Reply #13 |
52. a nice description -- and note how the 2000 'minstrel show' GOP Convention did the same .... |
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loveangelc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 12:50 AM Response to Original message |
15. I don't think theyre above anything in order to win, so yes. |
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lapfog_1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 12:53 AM Response to Original message |
18. I've posted on other threads. |
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Cant trust em (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 12:56 AM Response to Original message |
19. It still sounds pretty bad. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 12:56 AM Response to Original message |
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AX10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 01:02 AM Response to Reply #20 |
27. A hit below the belt. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 01:44 AM Response to Reply #27 |
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jonnyblitz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 06:28 AM Response to Reply #51 |
70. you think gays co-opted the civil rights movement?? |
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DURHAM D (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 01:40 PM Response to Reply #70 |
102. If I understand her point - us queers are supposed to start |
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cloudythescribbler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 01:49 AM Response to Reply #20 |
54. and color me, as a Jew, embarassed by this show of wilful obtuseness |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 01:00 AM Response to Original message |
22. The MLK statement was bad bad bad. |
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AX10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 01:01 AM Response to Reply #22 |
26. And again with the Obama campaign, |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 01:04 AM Response to Reply #26 |
30. Actually I am offended at the substance of that statement. |
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DURHAM D (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 02:17 PM Response to Reply #30 |
104. That is just a stupid statement. |
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stillcool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 01:01 AM Response to Original message |
25. I think they turned a mis-statement... |
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mrdemocrat78 (535 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 01:03 AM Response to Original message |
28. Clinton... No, but her people... yes |
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BeyondGeography (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 01:04 AM Response to Original message |
29. They're playing the we'll do anything to win card |
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tishaLA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 01:06 AM Response to Original message |
32. i don't believe in "the race card" |
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creeksneakers2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 01:16 AM Response to Original message |
37. Not long ago DU was abuzz about how the Clintons made |
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Tactical Progressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 03:58 AM Response to Reply #37 |
67. Some people just have such a Clinton hate-on |
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emilyg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 01:21 AM Response to Original message |
40. No. I don't believe it. |
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question everything (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 01:23 AM Response to Original message |
42. Frankly, I thought it is Obama or, rather, some reporters |
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AX10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 01:27 AM Response to Reply #42 |
46. MLK is a great American. |
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DFLforever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 01:25 AM Response to Original message |
44. I think to the Clintons race is just one of many cards in the deck |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 01:26 AM Response to Original message |
45. No, I believe the Clintons are doing THIS |
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Jai4WKC08 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 01:50 AM Response to Original message |
55. To all the people who think the Clintons are doing this because |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 03:31 AM Response to Reply #55 |
65. I don't think that they expected to be called on it.......because it was to be somewhat subtle..... |
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Jai4WKC08 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 10:28 AM Response to Reply #65 |
75. Well OF COURSE she's trying to define him |
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mojowork_n (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 01:54 AM Response to Original message |
56. I don't agree with some of the name-calling here, but I found a blogger today who |
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cloudythescribbler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 01:59 AM Response to Original message |
57. Not only are the Clinton's stirring the pot of the race issue, but there are ... |
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ShadowLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 02:12 AM Response to Original message |
60. No I don't think they're playing the race card, but their tactics are still getting very outrageous |
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gdaerin (402 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 02:15 AM Response to Original message |
61. yes, shame |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 03:30 AM Response to Original message |
64. Yes!!! They're capable of ANYTHING. I have zero trust for either Bush OR "The Clintons." eom |
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VotesForWomen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 03:35 AM Response to Original message |
66. you are correct. if the clintons are racist, obama's campaign is in big trouble, because most of ame |
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candymarl (224 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 04:11 AM Response to Original message |
68. I'm not an Obama folk |
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Essene (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 06:19 AM Response to Original message |
69. Absolutely. Look at the facts. It's pretty obvious. (list of incidents) |
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Jai4WKC08 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 10:32 AM Response to Reply #69 |
77. Half of the items on that list are just plain inaccurate |
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Tellurian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 12:13 PM Response to Reply #77 |
85. Nothing short of Obama supporters playing the "Victim" card once again! |
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Jai4WKC08 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 01:29 PM Response to Reply #85 |
100. I think it's too harsh to say they're playing victim |
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indimuse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 06:40 AM Response to Original message |
71. great analogy.. |
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Perry Logan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 06:54 AM Response to Original message |
72. The Obamites' accusations get refuted again and again. But they just keep repeating them. |
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Tarheel_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 12:00 PM Response to Reply #72 |
82. refuted by whom? Bill & Hill? |
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Thrill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 10:31 AM Response to Original message |
76. I think they are clearly trying to put stuff out there |
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Skidmore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 10:33 AM Response to Original message |
78. I believe that Bill Clinton, a seriously flawed individual who |
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Rosa Luxemburg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 10:37 AM Response to Original message |
79. no the clinons aren't playing the race card |
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Jai4WKC08 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 11:44 AM Response to Original message |
80. Three theories |
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vee (155 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 11:54 AM Response to Original message |
81. What's your take on Nixon ending the Vietnam War, as opposed to the pressure from protesters? |
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Arugula Latte (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 12:00 PM Response to Original message |
83. Of course they are. It's all about the Clintons, didn't you know that? |
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vee (155 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 12:09 PM Response to Original message |
84. Would you agree with the statement "It took Nixon to get it done", regarding the Vietnam war? |
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GalleryGod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 12:37 PM Response to Reply #84 |
88. 'Scuse Me? Did I serve with You? Did we muddy our boots on the same real estate? |
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vee (155 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 12:42 PM Response to Reply #88 |
91. You may have served with my fine Uncle, we buried his torso in 69 |
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GalleryGod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 12:45 PM Response to Reply #91 |
92. TAPS may he RIP. |
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vee (155 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 12:50 PM Response to Reply #92 |
94. Thank You |
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vee (155 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 12:22 PM Response to Original message |
86. If you are offended by the statement "It took Nixon to get it done" regarding Vietnam... |
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GalleryGod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 12:39 PM Response to Reply #86 |
89. I'm offended that anyone would post on this site that Tricky got ANYthing done except |
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GalleryGod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 12:42 PM Response to Reply #89 |
90. Want to see A Hero? The guy on the RIGHT ! |
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vee (155 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 12:49 PM Response to Reply #89 |
93. Then it is the demonstrators and thousands that protested that truly... |
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Jai4WKC08 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 12:57 PM Response to Reply #93 |
95. Actually, it was Congress that cut the Vietnam war funding |
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vee (155 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 12:59 PM Response to Reply #95 |
96. Like Nixon? |
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vee (155 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 01:05 PM Response to Reply #95 |
98. So what do you need first hard-working activist or hard-working savvy, professional politicians |
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Jai4WKC08 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 01:38 PM Response to Reply #98 |
101. You need both |
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GalleryGod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 12:28 PM Response to Original message |
87. Nope. But My Wife & I want our $5,000 BACK from Bill (92 & 96) |
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Tellurian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 03:40 PM Response to Reply #87 |
105. I hope Bill moves his office to the WH.. |
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Avalux (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 01:00 PM Response to Original message |
97. They aren't playing the race card; they are practicing GOP tactics. |
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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 01:25 PM Response to Original message |
99. Clintonian Carvillian dirty politics is the problem |
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Tellurian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 03:43 PM Response to Reply #99 |
106. darkies? Your subconscious racism is showing, zulu.. |
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ieoeja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 01:41 PM Response to Original message |
103. Yes n/t |
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bagrman (889 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 07:49 PM Response to Original message |
107. The biggest story is about who got black balled for the news reporting. They want either H or O. |
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