MICHIGAN VOTERS; DO NOT DO "WRITE IN" VOTES

[mrdemocrat78]

Any write in votes for the democrats will NOT count. This was the agreement the dems agreed to.

If you want Hillary or Kucinich, vote for them.
If you don't, choose uncommitted, but DO NOT write anyone in.

Randi said Governor Granholm is a huge hillary supporter, and so she set it up this way (with hillary the only front runner) because if you write in Edwards or Obama, they just toss out the vote.

they don't tell you that write ins will be tossed.

(meaning hillary is the only front runner on the ticket, not the law.)

~courtesy of Randi Rhodes

[liberalnurse]

1. Why don't you let Michigan voters make their

own decision? These are Democrats were taking about for Chrissake.

[Mojambo]

5. It's information worth knowing.

The editorializing in the last sentence notwithstanding.

[mrdemocrat78]

12. not editorializing...

that's what i just heard on the radio.

[Mojambo]

21. Apologies. n/t

[chimpymustgo]

20. Actually it's good context for the admonition, IMO.

Information is power.

[gateley]

6. They will THROW OUT any write-in votes! At least make a Dem statement

by voting for Dennis or Gravel if you're anti-Clinton.

[Debi]

30. I thought 'uncommitted' was a legitimate choice on the ballot

not a write in :shrug:

wish somebody would post the ballot..

[mrdemocrat78]

32. you can vote uncommitted

and if you do, the vote is registered. If you write in Edwards or Obama, then the vote is tossed, and doesn't factor in at all.

[skipos]

35. UNCOMMITTED is a VALID CHOICE. WRITE INS are NOT VALID.

Anyone who tells you otherwise is lying.

Not yelling at you directly, btw.

[Debi]

51. Thanks, I take no offense

just wanted to make sure.

(and still wish there was a copy of the damn ballot somewhere to clear this mess up!) :hi:

On edit:

Here it is...yep, you can mark uncommitted!

http://www.michigan.gov/documents/sos/PriPresBal_final2_218616_7.pdf

[Renew Deal]

7. They can choose to waste their vote.

No one is stopping them.

[mrdemocrat78]

9. I am from Michigan

And this ballot, this is a trick. And it's not fair. And it's not right.
No dem should even be on the ballot. MI delegates don't count.

[MichiganVote]

25. Well I'm from Michigan too and I disagree. We pay for this primary, not the DNC

So I urge Michigan voters to vote lest you choose to let the DNC decide that for you too.

[mrdemocrat78]

27. but you're not choosing between all the candidates

2 of the front runners aren't participating.

[Skidmore]

66. So cheating is fine by you, I guess.

[MichiganVote]

68. Michigan voters have been cheated of a full ballot. That is the doing of the DNC

and the candidates who chose to leave their names off the ballot. So much for democracy among the DNC...

[D23MIURG23]

74. The point is to let Michigan voters know that

Write-in votes aren't tallied. Noone wants to cast a meaningless vote unless they intended it that way.

[DURHAM D]

2. Your last sentence does not reflect what Randi said. n/t

[Muttocracy]

4. post earlier today saying Randi was wrong? n/t

[gateley]

8. I'm listening to her right now. She said the votes will be tossed, and she

strongly encouraged people to vote for Dennis.

[mrdemocrat78]

19. YES! thank you!

see, i don't make this stuff up.

[skipos]

22. Well then she is lying.

Only write ins will be tossed.

[mrdemocrat78]

24. that is what the post says... write in votes will be tossed

but they're not telling people that.

THAT is dishonest and

[gateley]

62. That's what I was "thinking" -- should have clarified it in that post. nt

[mrdemocrat78]

10. I took it right from the show

so, yes it does; her words.

if you were listening right now you would know that.

[Muttocracy]

16. delete - misread something

[mrdemocrat78]

18. sorry... quick trigger sometimes

:toast:

[skipos]

3. I am voting UNCOMMITTED. Edwards, Obama, Richardson, Biden supporters should do the same

imo.

"MY WIFE AND I ARE VOTING UNCOMMITTED. WE WILL WORK WITH THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY TO MAKE SURE THAT UNCOMMITTED DELEGATES GO TO THAT CONVENTION TRULY UNCOMMITTED SO THAT OBAMA CAN COMPETE FOR THEIR VOTE." Congressman Conyers (D)

And obviously Edwards and others can compete for their vote too.

[gateley]

11. Correct me if I misunderstood -- I thought that since they moved up their

primary illegally (? - don't know what that means, but that's what I heard), that the state loses the right to send any delagates?

Thanks.

[skipos]

14. No delegates for MI and FL for now

but many people think they will recognize the delegates at the convention. Who knows? It is still worth voting, imo.

[Lucinda]

40. I agree. They should vote for their candidate or uncommitted if the name was removed..

The party would be fools not to seat Florida or Michigan delegates.

[mrdemocrat78]

15. yes they do...but

it will still count as a victory for whoever, and randi eluded that in the end, whoever wins will probably get those delegates.

[MichiganVote]

23. The DNC penalized Michigan and its candidates and the citizens of Mi

by declaring themselves the election queens by stating that the delegates would not count. That is actually not true and besides, if they need them, they'll count them. The votes will be applied on a percentage basis per candidate on the ballot. Edwards and Obama left their names off and basically sided with the DNC. Clinton and Kucinich are ON the ballot.

[mrdemocrat78]

26. so when it comes down to it...

if they need them in the end, they are going to basically CHEAT and use them.

can we say "desperate"

she should have had the class and fortitude to keep her name off the ballot too.

if that doesn't tell you all you need to know, then i don't know what does.

[MichiganVote]

67. No, Michigan voters deserve to vote for any of the candidates of their choice

and no, no part of my post suggested that any of the candidates would or could cheat. If the DNC decides to seat some or all of the delegates, they will. But it sounds to me as though you have a distinct bias against the Clinton campaign. While that too is your choice, the fact remains that in a democracy, and I suppose that is what you want in America, it is necessary that all citizens have access to all the candidates.

That was denied because of the Edwards and Obama campaigns and the DNC.

[Breeze54]

44. Uncommitted means the delegates vote for who THEY LIKE!! You have no say in their vote!!

Vote Kucinich!

[mrdemocrat78]

56. I'm not telling anyone who to vote for.

I am telling them to vote either Clinton, Kucinich or Uncommitted.

write ins don't count, if there is less than 15% of uncommitted, then those don't count either.

[rinsd]

13. Governor Granholm is not responsible for the rules for write in votes.

More lies and bullshit.

[mrdemocrat78]

17. maybe you should do your research

I trust randi a lot more than you

[rinsd]

28. "I heard on the radio" is what constitutes your research?!?

:rofl:

Want to know why you can't do write in votes? Because none of the candidates filed paperwork to accept write in votes.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22510495/

This law has been on the books since 1996 with the 2006 amendment only changing the scheduling

http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(q31zg455slwywe45jsfzx345))/mileg.aspx?page=GetObject&objectname=mcl-168-737a&queryid=21562857&highlight=write%20AND%20in%20AND%20vote

http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(dsnz5pqlxjmlgwfphenktz45))/mileg.aspx?page=getobject&objectname=2005-sb-0462

The above is actual research vs. "Randi said"

[mrdemocrat78]

31. alright... i'll concede that

but it is still shady how this works out. Hillary should have done the right thing and taken her name off. Wow... What a uniter.

[dbackjon]

36. You need to now edit your OP

And remove the anti-Granholm/Clinton hit piece.

[mrdemocrat78]

38. Not a chance... She's still on the ticket

and that was underhanded. And that was intended.

[rinsd]

41. So you've been shown you were incorrect and still stand by the info.

That is called lying.

[mrdemocrat78]

45. I'm sorry, but I can't change Randi's words for her

as i said in the post... this is what i heard from Randi Rhodes. If you have a problem with it, take it up with her.

[rinsd]

53. Your transcription is not Randi's words. Even if it were, I showed you that she was wrong.

Unless you have some argument about the time frame of MI legislature as it relates to write in candidates.

So basically you are knowingly peddling false information but are claiming because Randi said it you can continue to make such claims.

I'd say such behavior is disgusting but you'll fit right in with most of the other newbie Obama supporters.

[mrdemocrat78]

55. my post says.... Randi Said...

that's not peddling false anything. I am simply writing what I heard.

[rinsd]

57. Yes and now you've been shown that info was wrong.

You even went back to edit to make sure you included that it was something Randi said instead of simply saying you had the wrong info.

That is dishonest and you got nailed to the wall on it.

[mrdemocrat78]

58. I made and edit to it...

I wasn't trying to imply that granholm made up a law... i was referring to the tactic. sorry, i misunderstood what you were getting at.

[rinsd]

59. But Granholm has nothing to do with write in ballots.

"Randi said Governor Granholm is a huge hillary supporter, and so she set it up this way so that if you write in Edwards or Obama, they just toss out the vote."

That specifically says that Granholm set it up so write ins are thrown out.

That is quite incorrect.

You continue to claim it using "Randi said" as a crutch.

You are full of it.

[mrdemocrat78]

60. and what did i say next...

hmm.... did you bother to read that? i said that granholm didn't set it up the law, but... forget it. you believe what you want to. i'll believe what i heard.

hillary is the only frontrunner on there. she shouldn't be. and no one is supposed to know that if you write in a vote, it gets tossed.

that is completely deceptive.

[MichiganVote]

69. It has been all over the news in Michigan for two weeks that write in's are not permitted.

[mrdemocrat78]

76. Well, I hadn't heard it

And my mom didn't either till I told her. Neither did ANY of my friends. So... It was news to all them.

[dbackjon]

77. so posting LIES is ok, as long as you heard it on the radio?

I heard Obama is actually a Muslim, still does Coke, and was sworn in on a Koran. Should I post that as "Fact" because I heard it on the radio?

[vanboggie]

29. Vote Uncommitted

It's true that write-in votes will be pitched since write-in candidates must be registered ahead of time. It also sucks that we can't specify who we want our uncommitted votes to go for. It is, however, my understanding that the closest thing to voting for my candidate, John Edwards, is to vote uncommitted.

It sure was a lousy election season for the national and state parties to disenfranchise Michigan Dem voters.

[Breeze54]

47. Baloney! They' ll vote for who THEY want!

Vote Kucinich!

[mrdemocrat78]

48. that's fine... but don't bother writing anyone in.

it won't count.

[Breeze54]

50. Exactly. Vote Kucinich!

;)

[mrdemocrat78]

54. at the very least, it would make the media have to talk to him

[dbackjon]

33. Mostly true

but the part that Granholm set it up this way is an out and out LIE - please edit.

[mrdemocrat78]

43. Not a chance

it's still shady... and granholm is a pitiful excuse for a democrat. the only reason she is still in there is because there was noone good to run against her.

[shireen]

34. K & R THIS THREAD!!!! OP is important .... nt

[mrdemocrat78]

37. Also, they only count uncommitted if there is 15% uncommitted

[vanboggie]

65. I don't think 15% will be a problem

Not when you add together the Edwards and Obama voters. Edwards would have done well here (sigh).

[bigwillq]

39. Vote for Kucinich!

:bounce:

[Breeze54]

42. The candidates themselves have to request write in votes . None of them did!!

Just vote for Kucinich! ;)

[mrdemocrat78]

46. they signed agreements not to campaign there.

[Breeze54]

49. I don't think they did sign agreements. HRC is still on the ballot, as is Dodd, Gravel & Kucinich.

I think that was a 'rule' by the DCCC.

[mrdemocrat78]

52. Obama & Edwards did...

Hillary is the only front runner who didn't. Gravel & Dodd are done, and Kucinich... bless him.

[judy]

61. Vote for Kucinich!!

This will be a great way to improve the debate!!

[kikiek]

63. You know the ones who pulled their names from the ballot were the ones punishing the state right.

The DLC ordered it as punishment for changing the primary date, and those who removed their name supported that action and the DLC. The reason behind the change of date as explained by the Gov of Michigan was actually legitimate sounding.

[MichiganVote]

70. Thank you. I know it and so do others in Michigan but the rest of the country is stupid.

[kikiek]

71. And I'll be happy to trade governors anytime with you. I'll throw in the worthless

LT Gov too. Let me know.

[MichiganVote]

72. I don't know..sometimes I think they are all no damn good. Its an exciting elections though.

[madfloridian]

75. Bull hockey.

No one told them to remove their names. They did it because they chose to. The DLC had NOTHING to do with it, it was the DNC who took away the delegates.

People need to stop making excuses for MI and FL. It was planned. They did it on purpose. It was the power players in the party showing the DNC who was boss. It was meant to give Hillary an advantage in those two large states, and they did not care that the people lost their right to choose.

[ihelpu2see]

64. Vote Kucinich!! Vote Kucinich!! His is the only Health Care plan that can work

on day one!!!

[D23MIURG23]

73. K&R