Hillary says it was good we got rid of Saddam, right?

[Bonobo]

Why didn't she make it happen when she was in the WH?

8 years of slowly letting the people starve only to culminate in an invasion, the purpose of which she supported.

So why didn't her administration deal with the "problem" during the 8 years she was in there?

It would have saved us a trillion dollars.

[maddiejoan]

1. You are beginning to come off as insane.

It was her husband's administration.

[Bonobo]

2. So I can discount all that "experience" right?

Thanks for the personal attack.

[Egnever]

3. not all of it

just 29 years of it

[maddiejoan]

you are welcome.

You want dangle a strawman as an argument --you get what you deserve.

How about a little intellectual honesty from you?

[Bonobo]

10. Here is a fair question for you.

Imagine Hil at a quiet breakfast with Bill, or perhaps sleeping next to him - a quiet moment between them.

Do you really believe they did not discuss EVERYTHING? Hillary is a very intelligent and interested person, right? She has a handle on ALL the issues and understand what is going on around the world.

So are you going to pretend for a minute that she was not fully aware of what was going on in Iraq during the sanctions, in America during the huge buildup of the DRUG WAR and its concurrent build up of our prisons and police force into a military-level SWAT team for every little podunk town in the country?

She knew everything that was going on, so where is your "intellectual honesty" in admitting that she shares responsibility?

She couldn't have influenced Bill? Come on.

You know she was most likely the DRIVING FORCE behind his presidency.

He is the personality, she is the brains. THAT is the subtext you Hillary supporters try to infuse into every conversation. Admit it. Be HONEST.

[maddiejoan]

12. How do you know she didn't?

Answer:

You don't.

[Bonobo]

14. Answer: If she DID advocate for those positions with Bill, she is a piss poor advocate.

[maddiejoan]

18. you are assuming facts not in evidence.

All you have are speculations. I'm sorry --but I don't reach conclusions by dwelling in "fantasy land".

[Bonobo]

21. She says she was a part of the Admin and must defend its record.

No amount of amateur lawyering will change that, "Ms. Facts Not in Evidence"

Oh and you have done nothing to impress me with YOUR intellectual honesty.

Was Hillary there or not? Could she exert influence on Bill or not? Was she even interested?

In either case, she needs to address them. Like it or not, she was there and has to address them.

OR stop claiming the 8 years on her resume.

[niceypoo]

27. She was married to the president dumb ass

Why do you start such idiotic threads?

[maddiejoan]

28. No she doesn't have to.

She wasn't President Of The United States.

Yes. She was there. Yes she was involved. Yes it gave her experience she would not otherwise have.

Yes she could exert influence, that does not mean she had the deciding influence.

[niceypoo]

29. Your whole position is basically assumed, hypothetical and invented

Why dont you just admit that you hate her and will insinuate or say anything to attack her? I know it, you know it, why pretend otherwise?

[Bonobo]

31. Thanks for the compliment.

And the kick!

[L0oniX]

54. We don't vote for a spouse. We vote for one person to be our president.

[L0oniX]

53. "sleeping next to him" ...holy shit ...you don't really think they actually sleep together do ya?

[babylonsister]

5. Doncha know? Her 'experience' is selective. nt

[Tom Rinaldo]

6. Al Gore got "experience" in the Clinton Administration also

That doesn't mean he got to make the final calls. An all or nothing argument about experience gained during the Clinton Admiinistration is silly.

[maddiejoan]

8. ding ding ding

We have a winner!

[Bonobo]

13. Sorry, this is NOT about Al Gore.

And he didn't have as much private time or private influence for that matter over Bill.

Who is being Intellectually Dishonest now?

[babylonsister]

17. Fair enough. Then she shouldn't try to put forth the notion

that much of her experience was earned during Bill's years in the wh.

Her claiming she wasn't aware that Bill had pardoned Marc Rich on MTP last week also seemed less than truthful. If they were/are so close, and are friends with Rich, you'd think they would have discussed this. She says things to inflate herself when it's convenient-imo.

[maddiejoan]

20. duly noted

[Tom Rinaldo]

22. Some of her experioence was gained during Bill's years in the wh

Some of Bill Richardson's experience was gained then also etc. All I said was that an all or nothing criteria to judge experience on is silly. It is just as wrong to claim that Hillary Clinton gained as much experience as Bill Clinton as it is to claim that she gained no experience from those years inside the Clinton Administration.

It is fair to not automatically buy her spin on those specific aspects of experience she gained that she wants to claim and/or highlight. That is fair game to debate. But I find those who either try to claim that her experience was essentially that of a hostess, or that Hillary is personally fully responsible for every thing about Bill Clinton's record that they dislike not to be credible.

[Bonobo]

24. Tell it to Karl Rove and his buddies. All this WILL be fair game in the GE.

[Tom Rinaldo]

26. Americans on the whole liked Bill Clinton's presidency

Even if some leftist activists at DU didn't. Republicans would be stupid beyond belief to attempt to turn the 2008 election into a referendum on Bill Clinton's Presidency after what they gave America as a follow up to it.

[leftynyc]

43. The the Obama people are in trouble

Because from the way they are reacting to hits against their candidate, there is no way they're going to hold up against the puke slime machine. I've never seen a bigger bunch of pansies.

[niceypoo]

25. Her experience is vast and wide ranging

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Clinton">If you bothered looking you would know that.

[Bonobo]

30. Wow! A link to a Wiki page!

You sure did your homework!

[GalleryGod]

44. Someone say "Experience" ?

OOOPS! I meant the Jimi Hendrix poster,sorry! (LOL)

[DemocratSinceBirth]

4. Because We Had Saddam In A Box...

~

[Bonobo]

11. So why did she support the IWR?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

15. To Give The Inspectors Teeth

We need to look forward...

We need to pick up the ball where it is...

[Bonobo]

16. But that resulted in the inspector's being PULLED OUT, not given teeth.

[bornskeptic]

51. There were no inspectors in Iraq

when the IWR was passed, so it doesn't make any sense to say that it resulted in their being pulled out. Nobody knows whether Saddam would have allowed them in without the IWR, but it is a historical fact that they were not admitted until after it was passed. They were pulled out when Bush decided to go to war in spite of the fact that the inspectors found nothing.

[JVS]

7. I no longer suspect US involvement in the JFK assassination.

It must have been the Russians or the Cubans or someone foreign. US tendency to unleash huge levels of collateral damage lead me to believe that Texas would have been nuked just to take out JFK.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

9. Be Careful !

Bush* might nuke Afghanistan and Pakistan to get Bin Laden...

[Catherine Vincent]

19. Her administration?

How idiotic.

[Bonobo]

23. Ha ha ha. Deal with it.

[niceypoo]

32. The author of this thread is obsessed with Hillary and will say anything to further that obsession

Just do a search on his name. He lives and breathes Hillary.

[Bonobo]

33. It's called a conviction. A conviction that she is a bad choice to lead the country.

[maddiejoan]

35. a bad choice?

Maybe to you she is not as good a choice as whomever you support --but a bad choice?

Do you honestly believe she is a bad choice?

[Bonobo]

37. The worst of the 3 still in the race, for sure.

I do not see good things happening during her administration for the reasons I have cited many times before.

Oh, I also do not favor a dynastic presidency. It's well...undemocratic .

[maddiejoan]

39. Uhm

The dynastic theory is ridiculous.

Cos ya know --she still has to get votes. See how that works?

I see tremendously good things happening during a Hillary administration.

But you didn't answer my question. You think she is a "bad" choice?

[Bonobo]

40. Semantics, semantics. I think she is the worst choice of the 3.

That's the best answer I can give.

As for the dynasty thing, it WOULD be ridiculous if it wasn't so fucking sad. Another issue where you probably should dig a little deeper into that ol' "intellectual honesty" thing.

Her candidacy is far too weak to run on its own, so it ALWAYS has been premised on the subtext of "Don't worry, Bill will be in there too."

Well, some of us don't want Bill back again and think it is a disservice to the country and, by the way, to the women's movement, to elect a woman who can only stand while propped up by the former POTUS.

[maddiejoan]

46. I call bullshit.

[Bonobo]

47. I call goodbye. You have already insulted me enough for one day.

I am an "insane bullshitter" so I guess we don't need to talk any further, until I get an apology.

[maddiejoan]

48. Don't hold your breath

bye bye

[Bonobo]

50. No problem for me.

I guess only one of us is big enough for that kind of behavior.

[babylonsister]

34. And you're not?

:rofl:

[Evergreen Emerald]

36. it appears that you have little knowledge of history

before you make yourself look any stupider, I suggest you go back and look at the politics of hate and wag the dog issues.

[Bonobo]

38. I will gladly match my knowledge of history up against you.

In a red-hot minute.

[LanternWaste]

41. Seems to me that...

Seems to me that the Clinton administration did possibly try through the sanctions. It may have been unsuccessful, but it could also be easily interpreted as a valid attempt.


Much like the valid argument that a complete blockade (sanction) of Japan may or may not have saved lives, but would cost more money in the long run in WW2, and would have absolutely prolonged the conflict.

[leftynyc]

42. Congratulations

My own personal exam - you're the winner for the most abject, moronic, bordering on the insane post of the day.

[GalleryGod]

45. Asbestos Suits! Git 'Em here, DUers !

[LostinVA]

49. I personally think he's tied

[La Lioness Priyanka]

52. wasnt that bill clintons administration and who was starving in iraq?

i think you have iraq and North korea confused.