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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 09:30 PM
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Let's move on from the Clinton presidency and not look back
Defense of Marriage Act

North American Free Trade Agreement

Death penalty

Lewinsky scandal

CEO Pay Loophole

The Clintons and the Bushes

The Clintons' Real Trouble with Truth


Emboldening the Republican Party:

Special prosecutor Lawrence Walsh was still battling the cover-up that had surrounded the Iran-Contra scandal of the 1980s; Democratic congressmen were digging into the “Iraqgate” scandal, the covert supplying of dangerous weapons to Iraq’s Saddam Hussein in the 1980s; and a House task force was suddenly inundated with evidence pointing to Republican guilt in the “October Surprise” case, alleged interference by the Reagan-Bush campaign in 1980 to undermine President Jimmy Carter’s efforts to free 52 American hostages then held in Iran.

Combined, those three investigations could have rewritten the history of the 1980s, exposing serious wrongdoing by Republicans who had held the White House for a dozen years. The full story also would likely have terminated the presidential ambitions of the powerful Bush family, since George H.W. Bush was implicated in all three scandals.


Clinton agreed to let George H.W. Bush retreat gracefully into retirement despite Bush’s brazen attempt to destroy Walsh’s criminal investigation by issuing six pardons to Iran-Contra defendants on Christmas Eve 1992.

In his 2004 memoirs, My Life, Clinton wrote that he “disagreed with the pardons and could have made more of them but didn’t.” Clinton cited several reasons for giving his predecessor a pass.

“I wanted the country to be more united, not more divided, even if that split would be to my political advantage,” Clinton wrote. “Finally, President Bush had given decades of service to our country, and I thought we should allow him to retire in peace, leaving the matter between him and his conscience.”


But Bill Clinton never ordered a major declassification project, nor did he establish any U.S. truth commissions to put the Cold War history in a meaningful context. To Clinton, truth never seemed to be a high priority, either in his private life or in his public duties.

Ironically, Bill Clinton’s protection of the Reagan-Bush administrations didn’t protect him. Clinton saw his prized domestic agenda, including Hillary Clinton’s health care reform, defeated; his party lose control of Congress in 1994; the House vote to impeach him; and his Vice President, Al Gore, have the 2000 election stolen from him.

Then, once the Bush family again controlled the White House, one of the first acts of the new President, George W. Bush, was to sign an executive order ensuring that Reagan-Bush-era historical records, scheduled for release in 2001, stayed locked up, possibly forever.


President Bill Clinton is his wife's not-so-secret weapon -- the single most popular Democrat on the planet, a campaigner who ranks with the all-time greats, and one of the best political minds in the country.

But, as Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y., is learning every week, his legacy can be a mixed blessing -- a reminder of peace, prosperity and Democratic victories, but also of scandal, gridlock and "triangulation" that frustrated many liberals.

On the campaign trail Thursday, former North Carolina Sen. John Edwards delivered a speech filled with coded language aimed at reminding Democratic voters of the less-than-pleasant aspects of the Clinton administration. "The American people deserve to know that their presidency is not for sale, the Lincoln bedroom is not for rent, and lobbyist money can no longer influence policy in the House or the Senate," Edwards said in Hanover, N.H., in a not-so-subtle reference to a famous fundraising scandal.

"The trouble with nostalgia is that you tend to remember what you liked and forget what you didn't," Edwards continued. "It's not just that the answers of the past aren't up to the job today -- it's that the system that produced them was corrupt."

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jlake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 09:33 PM
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1. Okay, but provide a better alternative than an egomaniacle would be cult leader
with no experience.
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 09:35 PM
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3. Obama has more legislative experience than Hillary, and he is
most certainly not a cult leader. Nobody views him that way, except people who are not interested in him getting the nomination.

Re: the Clintons -- leave that presidency in the past. We don't want a 3rd or 4th term.
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bellasgrams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 09:40 PM
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9. Yes we do
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jlake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 09:47 PM
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13. You know, the majority of Democrats do not want Obama to get the nominataion.
"Nobody views him that way, except people who are not interested in him getting the nomination." ... which leaves a pretty big, say 60+ percent of people who may feel that way.
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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 10:13 PM
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18. Using your criteria, the majority of Demcorats do not want Hillary to get the nomination
either. How do you feel about Denver?
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jlake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 10:37 PM
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21. It's in the bag. Obama can't close the deal.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 08:26 AM
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28. Kick! n/t
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:38 PM
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37. The majority of AMericans do not want ANY of one person
There are 3 candidates - none have 50%.
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 09:37 PM
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6. Ha! I hadn't heard that! You are so nuts you would call Obama a "cult leader"!
You have no credibility, cartoon character.
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 09:34 PM
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2. I think running against the Clinton record is a wonderful strategy
I encourage it!


Because it is about the dumbest, stupidist, most braindead strategy you could employ.

And your candidate will lose because of it.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 09:36 PM
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5. Or not! n/t
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 09:44 PM
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12. Bill Clinton's approval rating among Democrats is 89%
you do the math.
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Tulkas Donating Member (592 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 09:38 PM
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7. Clinton was not that good a president
He was president while the tech boom happened so his economic numbers look good. He did nothing to create that boom, he simply benefited from it.

Compared to W. he looks great, but so would a chimp in a coma.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 09:41 PM
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10. Yeah, I'm sure your Republican brethren will agree with you wholeheartedly
Tell them that mtnsnake said that Bill Clinton is not only one of the best presidents in modern history, but 25 times better than Ronald Reagan.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 04:27 PM
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39. Kick! n/t
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Big Blue Marble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 12:01 AM
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25. As Bill said on his way out: "It's been a hell of a ride"
It worked out really well for the Clintons, not so well for the rest of us.
And your right after these years, he looks like a paragon.

But a lot of people around here do not want to be reminded about the truth.
They would rather curl up with their Clinton's myths. And they say that
Obama supporters are cultists!
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Kucinich4America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 02:46 AM
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27. I thought Bush WAS a Chimp in a coma?
:shrug:
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 09:40 PM
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8. Man did you ever nail it, paulk
Can you believe we've got a Democratic candidate who not only is running against the Clinton record, but at the same time he's running a pro-Regan campaign? Gulp!!
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 05:58 PM
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34. Kick! n/t
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 09:35 PM
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4. Well, first thing's first: Tell Hillary to not bring in her hubby for free brownie points.
Edited on Fri Jan-18-08 09:37 PM by HypnoToad
Can't she do it on her own like most candidates?

Ditto for Obama bringing in his wife; but when was she president for him to need her help on?

Sorry, but it does come across as crass that she needs her family connection as means of assistance... inevitable for ANY candidate, but right now Ms. Clinton is the candidate doing it.

Don't forget the 1996 telecom act or, better, the rescinding of the 55MPH speed limit; the results of which pollute more and use more gasoline... (But times do change; Hillary has said she wants it put back in. )
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shaniqua6392 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 09:42 PM
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11. I try not to judge her on her husband's misdeeds or accomplishments.
She is not him. He is not her. She is running for President. He is not. Since when are two people who are married exactly the same? I am very different from my hubby. I am just trying to give her the benefit of the doubt and let her run on her own merits. All I usually hear in the way of criticism of her has something to do with Bill's time in office.
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Nimrod2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 09:48 PM
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14. Thank you!!!
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 09:48 PM
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15. Who knows, maybe Hillary will be just as good or better a president than Bill was...& he was great
Bill Clinton ranks right up there with the best of them. Where does Kerry rank as President, ProSense? Oh wait, he got beaten by an imbecile. lol
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 10:04 PM
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16. maybe Hillary will be just as good or better a president than Bill was...& he was great
Go back to the first post and seriously read all the Republican legislation supported and signed into law by Bill.

Really look at that record.

Neither Clinton are true liberals, or progressives.

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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 02:21 PM
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38. Kick! n/t
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 10:13 PM
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17. How Could You Forget Clinton's Pioneering Of Outsourced Torture!
Clinton began Extraordinary Rendition, the practice of kidnapping people and sending them to other countries to be tortured, without any judicial oversight.

Didn't think W could dream that up himself, did you?
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here_is_to_hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 10:25 PM
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19. Hi again, good to see another bashing thread from you....
Its how my morning started and now, how my evening ends. I know, you said you would not or did not or might not but you do. You OP far too many bashing threads. You really do. And you will, makes you a liar. I cannot trust you.
I tried to tolerate you, I really did. I sometimes enjoy what you have to say but no more.
You are no asset to DU.
And you know what? I never thought the day would come when I would have more Obama supporters on ignore than Hillary supporters.
Man, thats really sad.
Like I said this morning, have a wonderful weekend and good luck to you and yours.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 10:36 PM
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20. May I ask that you respond with comments disputing the facts instead of attacking me?
Thanks!
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 11:50 PM
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22. Kick! n/t
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BringBigDogBack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 11:51 PM
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23. amen
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 11:52 PM
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24. Can I hear an AMEN!!!!
Amen.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 02:27 AM
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26. Kick! n/t
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 08:39 AM
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29. Another thread by the person who helps Republicans more than Democrats
Just look at the number of anti-Clinton threads you've posted in the last 24 hours. I'm sure that Republicans everywhere wish to thank you for all your many superb anti-Clinton threads. Later this year they'll have an encyclopedia of propaganda to use, thanks to you!
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 08:44 AM
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31. You didn't expect the Clinton campaign propaganda to go unanswered, did you? n/t
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 08:41 AM
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30. Amen.
A puke in a pantsuit is still a puke.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 12:15 AM
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32. Kick! n/t
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 03:23 PM
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33. Kick! n/t
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 12:52 PM
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35. Kick! n/t
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 03:13 PM
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36. Kick! n/t
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 04:53 PM
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40. K & R
:kick:
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