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Herman Munster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 12:19 AM
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Video of Obama: 1980 election helped the country get out of the excesses of the 60's and 70's
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 12:25 AM
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1. Excesses like....
Edited on Sat Jan-19-08 12:26 AM by FrenchieCat
Suffering a loss via the Vietnam war
Watergate
21% interest rates
gas lines
energy crisis
Iran hostage crisis
Government waste, e.g., paying $15,000 for a bolt.

Obama specifically says in Video that he disagree with Reagan Policies.

and this from Hillary's website....
a list of favorite presidents - Washington, Adams, Jefferson, Lincoln, both Roosevelts, Truman, George H.W. Bush and Reagan:wtf: - demonstrates how she thinks. As expected, Bill Clinton was also included on the aforementioned list.
http://www.hillaryclinton.com/news/release/view/?id=4674

At no time did Obama say that he even liked Reagan....let alone list him as one of his favorite Presidents.




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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 12:29 AM
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3. The Hillary's favorite Pres was Reagan is bull and has been debunked by the newspaper quoted
It appears that no one noticed the quote is from an endorsement editorial

The Salmon Press endorsement editorial is their write up of their interview and their interpretation of the words used - but be that as it may - in what the Salmon papers say she said is included:

"But no president can do it alone. She must break recent tradition, cast cronyism aside and fill her cabinet with the best people, not only the best Democrats, but the best Republicans as well.. We’re confident she will do that. Her list of favorite presidents - Washington, Adams, Jefferson, Lincoln, both Roosevelts, Truman, George H.W. Bush and Reagan - demonstrates how she thinks. As expected, Bill Clinton was also included on the aforementioned list.

After all it was during his administration - eight years of peace and prosperity - that Hillary was able to observe, learn and contribute, all at the same time. And though she possesses traits similar to the former president, a great communicator chief among them - the voters of New York State have overwhelmingly validated her abilities - twice.

Sen. Clinton told us she doesn’t want our vote just because she’s a "woman." She wants our vote because she’s the "best." On the Democratic side we agree that she is."

now contrast to Obama's comments:

"I don't want to present myself as some sort of singular figure. I think part of what's different are the times. I do think that for example the 1980 was different. I think Ronald Reagan changed the trajectory of America in a way that Richard Nixon did not and in a way that Bill Clinton did not. He put us on a fundamentally different path because the country was ready for it. I think they felt like with all the excesses of the 1960s and 1970s and government had grown and grown but there wasn't much sense of accountability in terms of how it was operating. I think people, he just tapped into what people were already feeling, which was we want clarity we want optimism, we want a return to that sense of dynamism and entrepreneurship that had been missing."

I note that Hillary never praised Reagan like Obama did - Hillary just included Reagan with Bill Clinton as presidents with skills -

Not quite the same.

But even more on point is the newspapers own statement:

In an effort to divert attention from Senator Obama’s comments about President Reagan and his assertion that the GOP has been the "party of ideas," the Obama campaign circulated an item this evening from the Salmon Press in New Hampshire that asserts that Senator Clinton listed the former President as one of her favorite presidents. In fact, Senator Clinton only complimented President Reagan’s communications skills – an attribute of his that has been widely praised by Americans of all ideological stripes – and did not list him as one of her favorite presidents. She also noted that she respected George H.W. Bush.

David Cutler, the co-owner of Salmon Press Newspapers, released the following statement:

"The question posed was originally what portraits would you hang in the White House if you were President and as the dialogue progressed, who are the presidents you admire most?

She listed several presidents that she admired and mentioned she liked Reagan’s communication skills. She did not say Reagan was her favorite President. She didn’t say anything close to that."

http://facts.hillaryhub.com
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ArkySue Donating Member (647 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 12:36 AM
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5. This part bothers me...
"...he just tapped into what people were already feeling, which was we want clarity we want optimism, we want a return to that sense of dynamism and entrepreneurship that had been missing."


Isn't that the same theme Obama is espousing? It didn't work out so good last time, I don't want a repeat now.
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ArkySue Donating Member (647 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 12:37 AM
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6. oops, wrong place.
Supposed to be a reply to the OP.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 01:37 AM
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10. Yep, that's what people wanted......didn't say that's what they got.....
Grow up and stop twisting.


and remember this:

Clark voted for Reagan! He's a republican
Obama analizes Reagan Electoral strategy. He's a republican

Clark said some nice things about Bush. He's a Republican.
Obama analizes the times as they were that led to a Reagan landslide. He's a Republican

Clark said he probably would have voted for war - Was he for it or against it?
Obama staunchly against the war accused by the Clintons of being for it...because he stayed loyal to the democratic ticket.

Many Claimed that Clark was an empty suit - One dimensional candidate
Many are trying to claim that Obama is an empty suit - one dimensional candidate.

Too many parallels for you to be participating in this. It's a real shame.

At least, I'm consistent. I defended those who needed to be defended against that sorta of twisting and ommission of the truth in 2003-04, and here I go again.

Peace.


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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 12:30 AM
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4. No, actually what excesses meant was code - like state rights: civil rights
Edited on Sat Jan-19-08 12:31 AM by robbedvoter
legislation mostly. raygun offered the angry white male permission to be openly angry at those by the "excesses"
This was as well known as the fact that the winning strategy for reagan was to talk about States rights in a small town in Mississippi where civil rights activists had been assassinated by the KKK (one of those "excesses" taken care of). Thing is - you don't get to interpret the code words - they were set in history. Obama would do well to learn it too (I assume you actually know it)
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 01:31 AM
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8. I'm sorry, but Obama wasn't talking code.....
Don't do this.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 07:31 AM
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13. I believe it! But he was ignoring - the code already embedded in the words
That's why I said he needs to learn history - he is casually throwing out LOADED, PAINFUL words - without even knowing. He needs to realize what he's saying!
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 07:47 AM
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14. The same sort of "excesses" VP Gore's National Partnership for Reinventing Government
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 12:27 AM
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2. giving money to the rich cured the problem of the oil price rise and the VietNam War debt and
disruption -

yep - excellent analysis

:sarcasm:
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 12:45 AM
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7. The only "excesses" at the time were the ones the REPUKES complained about
like

FIGHTING UNNECESSARY WARS
EQUAL RIGHTS FOR BLACKS
EQUAL RIGHTS FOR WOMEN
EQUAL RIGHTS FOR GAYS
PROGRESSIVE INCOME TAXES
BIRTH CONTROL
RIGHT TO ABORTIONS ON DEMAND
CONTROL OVER WOMEN'S BODIES BY THEMSELVES

not the bunk your trying to spew...

WE lived thru it - WE KNOW what those who complained BITTERLY about

YOUR attempts to rewrite history will not work...

How many progressives and liberals is obama willing to disgard to chase illusory repukes?!?!
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kelligesq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 01:36 AM
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9. Is he nuts? The 80's were known as the decade of GREED -
gee- I wonder why Ronnie
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 01:39 AM
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11. So why is Reagan one of Hillary's favorite President?
She actually "liked" him.

Obama said nothing similar.

and Edwards felt that Reagan was an agent of change...
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kelligesq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 02:06 AM
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12. Now Frenchie, could those things you've written pass a truth test?
tsk. tsk. not nice to tell tales.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 08:27 AM
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15. From Obama's book. Obamites want to pretend he was only talking about electoral strategy
Audacity of Hope page 31:

"That Reagan's message found such a receptive audience spoke not only to his skills as a communicator; it also spoke to the failures of liberal government, during a period of economic stagnation, to give middle-class voters any sense that it was fighting for them. For the fact was government at every level had become to cavalier about spending taxpayer money. Too often bureaucracies were oblivious to the cost of their mandates. A lot of liberal rhetoric did seem to value rights and entitlements over duties and responsibilities. Reagan may have exaggerated the sins of the welfare state, and certainly liberals were right to complain that his domestic policies tilted heavily toward elites, with corporate raiders making tidy profits throughout the eighties while unions were busted and the income for the average working stiff flatlined.

Nevertheless, by promising to side with those who worked hard, obeyed the law, cared for their families, loved their country, Reagan offered Americans a sense of common purpose that liberals seemed no longer able to muster."

Pages 156-157

"The conservative revolution Reagan helped usher in gained traction because Reagan's central insight--that the liberal welfare state had grown complacent and overly bureaucratic, with Democratic policy makers more obsessed with slicing the economic pie than with growing he pie--contained a good deal of truth."

Talk of expanding the pie rather than slicing it, is a DLC-style smokescreen for talking about cutting back on social programs.
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Karmadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 08:30 AM
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16. ALERT! ALERT! Poster using FACTS! Poster using FACTS! Mods! Help!
nt
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