Ok, enough with Reagan. Dude is DEAD, and his presidency was over in 1989.

[Colobo]

He's part of America's past, thankfully. Now, let's focus on what's important.

[The Traveler]

1. Drive on!

Forward. To better things, my friend.

[MadBadger]

2. Reagan died? When?

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

13. I know!

I am just as amazed as you are!

Do you think the 60's and 70's have had some lasting effect on us?

[Bozita]

3. Ummm, a lot of folks think it was over much earlier.

[madrchsod]

4. no........... i haven`t used this yet.

[Barack_America]

5. Yep. But if he weren't influential then why the hell would we still be talking about him? n/t

[Warpy]

6. But his evil lives on in a tax code that favors the rich

and outright robs working men and women of 40% of their OASDI payments.

When we obliterate his evil, we can go ahead and forget him. Until then, not a fucking chance in the world.

[Bonobo]

7. You know, if you added up all the reasonable people in this place...

I think there might be like 2 dozen tops.

[William769]

8. Don't take this the wrong way but...

You need to tell Obama that.

[ursi]

9. speak it, bro or sis!

[Tellurian]

10. Obama brought it up...we didn't..and it's going to hurt his chances

for the nomination..It's very telling where his allegiance lies.

[MadBadger]

11. You should go into comedy.

[William769]

14. Sspeaking of going into comedy I know someone that tried that today and got spanked.

[MadBadger]

15. All in the eyes of the beholder.

[William769]

18. And we all beheld.

:rofl:

[desi]

17. Spanked?

lmaoff...

[William769]

19. Comic relief around here is great! Isn't it?

[desi]

22. I'm loving it Billy

The Obamabots are swimming upstream in that famous Egyptian river.

[Kucinich4America]

31. Well, since you are in the mood to appreciate a good laugh....

It's odd that your name is Desi, and you refer to your fellow Hillbot as "Billy", and you're both here to represent a "DINO".

So, are you the "rebel kind" of Hillbots? :rofl:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sTZP8d_4XI

[William769]

33. Well my name is Billy.

:rofl:

[desi]

36. Who's that who cracked you up?

All I see is

[William769]

40. Kucinich4America

[desi]

41. Kucinich for what?

:rofl: Even Cleveland has had it with him...poor guy.

catch ya tomorrow!

[Tellurian]

23. Reagan is going to be a huge issue the rest of this campaign..

So, don't even try sweeping it under the rug..it's not going to happen.

And for a fellow Democrat to suggest forget about it and create a thread discouraging talking about it is seriously disingenuous and a detriment to voters. We should know what the candidate running for the highest office in the land represents, even if you don't. So we'll continue checking and vetting candidates we know nothing about.

[MadBadger]

25. Its not going to be a huge issue for the rest of the campaign

It may be a huge issue on DU, but that is completely different. Donnie McClurkin continues to be a huge issue here, but has gone nowhere outside of DU, this will be the same.

[William769]

30. Older African Americans are not stupid.

They lived through it. Something the young just don't understand.

[Tellurian]

37. Have you seen the Edwards video?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NF237S5i2I

Listen to the audience response..when Edwards mentions Reagan's name.. This is definately going to be a huge issue!

Obama doesn't know his History probably avoided taking it in HS and College.. he's a blank slate..

[Tellurian]

42. as Craig Crawford and others observe...Obama is having a had time establishing an identity..

when he ran in NH, he was the establishment candidate. In Nevada, he's selling himself as the candidate of Change. He has likened himself to JFK, Lincoln, RFK, stretching to say he was conceived in Selma during the Civil Rights movement. Obama seems to give himself license to be and say whatever is opportunistically expedient for him at the time to attract voters.

He is targeting the Indys and the Conservative Republican vote... his latest morphism is a Republican hero, Reagan.

[desi]

32. It's a major issue alright.

The M$M has taken it and run with it. from AP

Edwards, Clinton Critical of Obama
Friday, January 18, 2008 11:41 PM EST
The Associated Press
By NEDRA PICKLER

RENO, Nev. (AP) — John Edwards and Hillary Rodham Clinton criticized Barack Obama's praise of the Republican Party and Ronald Reagan — an anathema for many Democrats, particularly union members considered crucial to winning Nevada's Democratic caucuses Saturday.

[babylonsister]

16. Where's your belly? I want to put a "ploofughplght$#" on you. Yes,

that's a spell. And for the record, I AM his allegiance.

[desi]

20. Please, I beg of you.

rofl

[ProSense]

12. Tell it to Hillary campaign's Internet Director:

He has posted a diary at Daily Kos.

[rodeodance]

29. ~~~~go tell it on the mountain~~

[William769]

34. isn't that Donnie McClurkins Job?

[BenDavid]

21. problem is, obama cannot stand the truth nor can most of

obama supporters but truth about how obama could say reagan inspired a whole country when blacks, latinos, and poor whites suffered the most over reagans eight years and obama thinks this racist did more then clinton....makes me wanna:puke:

It’s Not the “Kumbayah” That Gets Things Done, Mr. Obama. It’s Hard-Fought Legislation Enacted Over the Protests of “Movement Conservatives,” Especially the Legislative Achievements of the 1960s, 1970s, 1980s, and the 1990s.

Mr. Obama, get over your iconic view of Ronald Reagan’s message: Reagan was a racially divisive and socially regressive president. From the New York Times editorial page on March 21, 1988:

Ronald Reagan appears determined to go down in history as a President who sought actively to set back the cause of civil rights. How else can one read his veto of the four-year, bipartisan effort to restore the reach of antidiscrimination laws narrowed by a Supreme Court ruling? Congress appears to have the votes to override the veto. Decency argues for doing so, without delay. <…>

The Administration has consistently pursued a disruptive policy on civil rights, from its attempt to give tax exemptions to racially discriminatory Bob Jones University to its efforts to weaken the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights. …

Yes, President Ronald Reagan fought the IRS denial of tax exemption to the racist Bob Jones University. President Reagan also:

introduced an amendment to the Voting Rights Act would require evidence of intent to discriminate and thus weaken the act;
expressed concern over the cost of honoring Martin Luther King with a national holiday (but signed the law because Congress seemed “bent” on it);
launched his 1980 election campaign with endorsements of “states rights” in Philadelphia, Mississippi, a city famous for the murder of three civil rights workers; and
joined Barry Goldwater in opposing the 1964 Civil Rights Act.


And what about President Bill Clinton, whose two terms in 1990s you disparage and discount?
What did William Jefferson Clinton do for blacks and Latinos?

Really, Mr. Obama? The Republicans have been the party of ideas for the past ten to fifteen years? Including the last seven years of Bill Clinton’s administration? Really, Mr. Obama?

Since the economy is the hot topic these days, let’s just look at what President Clinton did for minorities in terms of economic gains — even though Obama dismisses those achievements. From a U.S. government Web site in April 1999:

Unemployment Rate for African Americans and Hispanics Remains Historically Low. Under President Clinton and Vice President Gore, the Hispanic unemployment rate has dropped from 11.3 percent in January 1993 to a record low of 5.8 percent in March 1999. The unemployment rate for African Americans has fallen from 14.1 percent in January 1993 to 8.1 percent in March 1999–one of the lowest levels on record for African Americans.

Here are additional economic accomplishments of the Clinton/Gore administration — as of 1999 (during the administration’s second term) — that also had a direct positive effect for minorities:

18.2 Million New Jobs. …
Unemployment at 4.2 Percent in March …
Highest Share of New Jobs in Private Sector in 50 Years. Since the President and Vice President took office, the private sector has added 16.7 million new jobs–with 2.4 million jobs added in the past year. Since 1993, 92 percent of the 18.2 million new jobs have been in the private sector–the highest percentage in 50 years.
Fastest and Longest Real Wage Growth in Two Decades. Last month, average hourly earnings increased 0.2 percent. Under the Clinton-Gore Administration, real wages have risen 6.1 percent–compared to declining 4.3 percent during the Reagan and Bush Administrations. After adjusting for inflation, wages have increased almost 2.7 percent in 1998–the fastest real wage growth in more than two decades and the third year in a row–the longest sustained growth since the early 1970s.
Construction Jobs Are Coming Back. …
Manufacturing Jobs Have Increased. After losing 2.1 million manufacturing jobs between 1981 and 1992, the economy has created 350,000 new manufacturing jobs since 1993. After losing 46,000 jobs in the auto industry during the Bush Administration, the United States has 147,000 new auto industry jobs under the Clinton-Gore Administration.
Inflation Rate Is the Lowest Since the 1950s. …
President Clinton signed the Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1993, “which passed Congress without a single Republican vote.”

It raised taxes on the wealthiest 1.2% of taxpayers,<35> while cutting taxes for 15 million low-income families and making tax cuts available to 90% of small businesses.<36> Additionally, it mandated that the budget be balanced over a number of years, through the implementation of spending restraints.

Listen, Mr. Obama. If you think that President Clinton and Vice President Gore accomplished those amazing turnarounds for the economy and for minorities by singing “Kumbayah” with Republicans, you’ve just shown how naive you are.

And you’ve exposed how uninformed you are about the brutal history of U.S. politics where every progressive step is spattered with the blood, sweat and tears of all who fought so hard for those gains.

Shalom
Ben David

[Tellurian]

28. Thanks for posting, Ben David..

[William769]

35. Once agan sir, you have my utmost respect.

[desi]

39. Excellent Ben David

Thank you!

[rodeodance]

24. But his thoughts are with us in the living-present

[desi]

27. Some who would rather forget him now may have looked upon him as their "hero"

Something akin to Tricky Dick who also won in a landslide and there came a time when you could not find anybody who voted for him. You couldn't find one even if you had a search warrant from Judge Ito. :silly:

[Kucinich4America]

26. If only it WAS over in 1989

Unfortunately, the Bush-Clinton dynasty, which Reagan was a part of continues :(

[BeyondGeography]

38. Who will tell the Republicans?

[indimuse]

43. So much for Obama's "Agent of Change"..

I think he's confused again...invoking peeps of the dead...is really NOT "Change' is it... I wonder if NO_bama has any thoughts of his own...? just sayin....?

[Little Star]

44. Who brought up the dead president Reagan? hummmmmm?